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Topic: What Can I Learn? - Birth Time Not Accurate
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Sagitaur
Knowflake Posts: 30
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Registered: Dec 2007
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posted August 27, 2008 09:39 PM
 
I'm still a newbie at astrology. I've been trying to learn more about this natal chart but if the birth time is not accurate what can I learn from it? I know the Ascendant cannot be determined without an accurate birth time. Is there anything else I need to discount? What can i depend on here?  IP: Logged |
PLF
Knowflake Posts: 92
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Registered: Feb 2008
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posted August 28, 2008 01:54 AM
I was wondering the same thing.I'm an astro-newbie pretty much and while my birthday is clear, my parents don't know the exact birth-time. They can give me a rough estimate (they say it was a bit before noon so leaving some room for error let's say anywhere between 10:30 am to 12:30 am) but that's about it. I really wish I knew the exact time so I could be 100% sure of my ascendant and all the other stuff such as houses which I think might get moved as well... IP: Logged |
librasunleomoon
Knowflake Posts: 187
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Registered: Feb 2008
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posted August 28, 2008 02:00 AM
without the time, anything that is affected by the time will change. it means the house cusps and any aspects to the ascendant and midheaven. occasionally planetary aspects will change based on time as well, if it is a quick aspect as with the moon, or if the birth date just happens to be right at the beginning or end of a major aspectIP: Logged |
koiflower
Knowflake Posts: 1258
From: Australia
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted August 28, 2008 02:13 AM
You'll have to forget about looking at house placements without your birth time. Also, you can't work with the MC/IC and AC/DC axis. That leaves you with just planets in the signs.You will still be able to measure the synastry with someone else using their planets compared to your planets - so all is not lost. IP: Logged |
astroleolady
Knowflake Posts: 442
From: In the ęther
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted August 28, 2008 02:58 AM
Hi Sagitaur,What you can delineate: Planets in signs, possibly not the Moon
Aspects between planets, except the Moon
Aspect patterns not involving the Moon and angles
Moon's nodes in signs
Moon's nodes in aspect to planets, except the Moon
Qualities & Elements of planets, possibly not the Moon
Dignities & Debilities of planets, possibily not the Moon
Decanates
Dwads
Chiron in signs
Chiron by aspect, except to the Moon
Midpoints by approximation: between planets, except the Moon & planets and the Moon's nodes & planets and Chiron & Moon's nodes and Chiron
Retrograde planets by sign
Asteroids: such as Pallas, Ceres, Juno & Vesta by sign
Asteroids in aspect to the planets, except the Moon
Transits to natal planets, except the Moon
Things you won't be able to delineate:
The angles: Ascendant (1st house cusp), Descendant (7th house cusp), Midheaven (10th house cusp) and IC (4th house cusp)
Aspects involving the angles
Planets, the moon's nodes, and points in houses
House cusp rulerships, including the lords in the houses
Overall chart pattern
House types: Angular, Succedent & Cadent
Quadrant and Hemisphere analysis
Intercepted signs
Duplicated signs
Arabic parts: eg. The part of fortune
The Vertex (Vx)
Chiron in houses
Midpoints: between planets and angles & planets and Vx & angles and Vx
Retrograde planets by house
Asteroids: such as Pallas, Ceres, Juno & Vesta by house
Derivative houses
A simple analogy: The planets are like actors, the houses are where they act, and the sign is how they act. The aspects show the interactions between the actors.
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Kick It
Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted August 28, 2008 03:02 AM
With a list of dates, you can find out your AC. Some good astrologers can even work out the exact degree of your AC.
If you use whole sign houses, you just need which Ac sign and the rest of the houses are easy.IP: Logged |
PLF
Knowflake Posts: 92
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Registered: Feb 2008
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posted August 28, 2008 04:14 AM
Fantastic replies.I especially enjoyed yours astrolelady. Very detailed and helpful and a great analogy.  IP: Logged |
astroleolady
Knowflake Posts: 442
From: In the ęther
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted August 28, 2008 06:34 PM
Thank you PLF. Glad to help. I have Jupiter in Virgo. lol!IP: Logged |
Sagitaur
Knowflake Posts: 30
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Registered: Dec 2007
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posted August 28, 2008 10:05 PM
Thanks Astroleolady...i really like your analogy."The planets are like actors, the houses are where they act, and the sign is how they act. The aspects show the interactions between the actors." Awesome! Thanks to everyone who replied. It's hard being a newbie and I must say to me learning astrology is like trying to learn how to do my own taxes...lol. It's tedious but I'm trying and sometimes i feel like i just don't get it...lol. I'm no dummy but this is just not my forte. I would probably do better in a classroom setting. I read this board everyday and just end up getting overwhelmed most of the time. I think i may be trying to learn too much too fast. The Sag in me just wants to know everything then my Cancer moon kicks in and gets overwhelmed and then i...retreat...*lowers head in shame*. I wish learning astrology could be like the movie...The Matrix...where I could just plug up and download everything I needed to know and poof...instant chart reading machine.
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