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tatyh
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posted August 29, 2008 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tatyh     Edit/Delete Message
Hi,
I was just wondering if there were any aspects in synastry that would point to two people being "in love" or is synastry pointing out the characteristics of the love between the two. Hope this makes sense. Does astrology also explain why some people are faithful and faithful to certain people as opposed to others? I'm only asking because the guy I'm in love with told me that he was more in love with his first love and I was devastated.

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Lara
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posted August 29, 2008 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
hmmm interesting.

I was more in love with my 1st love than my husband whom l not only married but had kids with...

why were you so gutted, may I ask?
Honesty is a fine thing that one must respect in another, don't you think?

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Lara
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posted August 29, 2008 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
hmmm interesting.

I was more in love with my 1st love than my husband whom l not only married but had kids with...

why were you so gutted, may I ask?
Honesty is a fine thing that one must respect in another, don't you think?

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meta_4
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posted August 29, 2008 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
"... baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more...!"

Sorry...

I couldn't help myself...

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darkdreamer
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posted August 29, 2008 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Two out of three ain`t bad (Meatloaf)

Baby we can talk all night
But that aint getting us nowhere
I told you everything I possibly can
Theres nothing left inside of here
And maybe you can cry all night
But thatll never change the way that I feel
The snow is really piling up outside
I wish you wouldnt make me leave here

I poured it on and I poured it out
I tried to show you just how much I care
Im tired of words and Im too hoarse to shout
But youve been cold to me so long
Im crying icicles instead of tears

And all I can do is keep on telling you
I want you
I need you
But -- there aint no way Im ever gonna love you
Now dont be sad
cause two out of three aint bad
Now dont be sad
cause two out of three aint bad

Youll never find your gold on a sandy beach
Youll never drill for oil on a city street
I know youre looking for a ruby in a mountain of rocks
But there aint no coupe de ville hiding at the bottom of a cracker jack box

I cant lie
I cant tell you that Im something Im not
No matter how I try
Ill never be able
To give you something
Something that I just havent got

Theres only one girl that I will ever love
And that was so many years ago
And though I know Ill never get her out of my heart
She never loved me back
Ooh I know
I remember how she left me on a stormy night
She kissed me and got out of our bed
And though I pleaded and I begged her not to walk out that door
She packed her bags and turned right away

And she kept on telling me
She kept on telling me
She kept on telling me
I want you
I need you
But there aint no way Im ever gonna love you
Now dont be sad
cause two out of three aint bad
I want you
I need you
But there aint no way Im ever gonna love you
Now dont be sad
cause two out of three aint bad
Dont be sad
cause two out of three aint bad

Baby we can talk all night
But that aint getting us nowhere


Sorry, I just had to post that song here. It`s soo sad, and it`s something I can relate to.

However, I can understand you are hurt. Don`t we want to be the ONE for the one we love? The ONE that he loves more than any other love?

Honesty is good, I agree, but damn it, it HURTS.

And furthermore, it`s not even honest some of the times, telling the one you are with, that there is this other person you have never stopped loving and you will always love more than anyone else.

Too often we tell ourselves that, because we idolize our past, these magical feelings of being in love for the first time, Imean being really in love. This FIRST LOVE becomes an unreachable dream.

But I think maybe sometimes we should stop and remember that we are not with them anymore and that there is a reason why it didn`t work out.

Not always, but sometimes, telling someone that you will always be more in love with someone else, can also be an attempt to avoid intimacy, to get too close, to really allow yourself to surrender to your love for the other person.

NOw, I don`t know if that is the case with your friend, but it`s worth a thought.
Yet, if he really is in love with his first love, just remember you shouldn`t be the second choice for anyone; you deserve to be numero ONE. Nothing less.

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Dragoon
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posted August 29, 2008 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dragoon     Edit/Delete Message
True love is your soul's recognition of its counterpoint in another.

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koiflower
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posted August 29, 2008 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
I would never tell a partner that I was more in love with another - that's outright disrespectful, hurtful and tasteless.

You have asked the question "What is love?" Now my question is, "Is it love when someone you love tells you they were more in love with someone else?"

that's my honesty for the day - am bogged up with a nasty flu.....

Chin up tatyh, take a few days off from him and let him really appreciate you, when you're out and about having fun with real friends who care about you!

Have a lovely day knowflakes

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CoralFrequency
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posted August 29, 2008 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message
That's actually a very strange, possibly immature or delusional, comment for him to make.

The feeling of first-love is VERY different to feelings you would have for a person you are in a serious, mature relationship with.

I'm not sure why he feels the need to compare. A majority of people would have fond feelings of their first love. But that love usually occurs in your teens. It's very intense and passionate - and all about the attraction mainly.

Very few people end up having a serious relationship with their first love and even fewer marry their first love. So it's easy to remember the good things and put the first love person on a pedestal - when you often, didn't get to know them very well.

Usually this stays more like a lingering dream or a nice memory. But most adults wouldn't compare a first love with a serious relationship, in the manner he did.

This is why I am calling him delusional. He is probably under the impression that his first love is the picture of perfection, because he simply never got to know her in depth.

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posted August 29, 2008 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian Persona     Edit/Delete Message
I am in agreement with everyone else on this topic: you wouldn't have wanted to live in someone else's shadow and tried to live up their "perfect" image.

Look at it this way, you are being given the opportunity to find someone who will love you for you; that's a pretty nice idea if you think about it!

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bvanzy
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posted August 29, 2008 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bvanzy     Edit/Delete Message
Were you asking over and over again if he loved you more than her or her more than you?

If not, then this 'confession' was an attempt to injure you.

Sorry.

On a slightly different note, it doesn't matter if someone loved another more or less than they love you, because it is those we love at present that are always the most important to us.

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tatyh
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posted August 30, 2008 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tatyh     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the replies!

I just don't know what to think anymore because I think everyone's viewpoint is valid.

We had a bad start because he gave his number to other girls and he lied to me about that. So when I got upset about his flirting, he mentioned that he loved someone else more then me because he wanted me to shut up.

I'm never sure about our relationship, so I guess it's more my problem.

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flyin_free_70
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posted August 30, 2008 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flyin_free_70     Edit/Delete Message
tatyh, that's sad. Even if he didn't mean it, it still was a horrible thing to say.

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Lara
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posted August 30, 2008 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
it was a horrid thing to say but just remember that you attracted a man who would say that to you!

Dragoon... right on the mark! May I add that the only way to see your counterpart in another is to know your own soul intimately?!!!

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BLAZINBABY5610
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posted August 30, 2008 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLAZINBABY5610     Edit/Delete Message
thats nice bvanzy =] i agree

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maira
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posted August 30, 2008 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message
Hi,
I'm going to repost something I read yesterday on LL :

"Love is a state of psychic understanding. Lack of love is lack of comprehension. What must we understand? Take fear. The New Testament states that perfect love casts out fear. Fear arises in human relations whenever we want something from someone and worry that we won’t get it. The mystic-man has no fear because he has no demands upon others; he lives bountifully from his Kingdom of Heaven within. A love relationship is impossible when based on demand, subtle or obvious. Such pseudo-love is merely a bargain: “You be nice to me and I’ll be nice to you, but, if you cease to please me, I’ll go away.” The mystic life has none of that. It is an entirely different world."

You can read the rest in For The Pilgrim's Progress, it's a topic posted by starr33, and it's a really good read...

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koiflower
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posted August 30, 2008 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message

tatyh - in no way blame yourself for being attracted to this man - people always put on their best smile/clothes/behaviour when trying to impress someone new. Their real selves unfolds in time - revealing your dream or nightmare.

He doesn't seem like a worthwhile emotional investment as time has revealed. Love yourself enough to make the right choice for yourself.

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librasunleomoon
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posted August 31, 2008 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for librasunleomoon     Edit/Delete Message
"baby don't hurt me
don't hurt me
no more"


sorry, I couldn't resist even though i see someone else had the same bright idea

I am starting to wonder that myself

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Lara
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posted August 31, 2008 02:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
very true maira!

Although I would have said 'perfect love is caste when one is fearless' rather than 'perfect love castes out fear' because you need to dump the fear to find PERFECT love

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koiflower
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posted August 31, 2008 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message

tatyh - Thank you for being honest and vulnerable enough to share your story. In sharing, you give everyone an insight into the heart of a real person.

As I said, go and spend time with friends that care and avoid anyone who will eat you up in the face of your vulnerability.

Gratitude and Love is your power through the day.....

koiflower xoxox

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kfn327
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posted August 31, 2008 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kfn327     Edit/Delete Message
From Jealousy and the Abyss by William Pennell Rock:
quote:
Only truth is erotic . . . If the relationship is seen as a means to knowledge, the paradigm shifts: The discipline is to learn to live uncompromisingly in your truth and to love the other without qualification. No easy task, but there is no higher. What you are loving together is truth: Everything real has to be shared; everything else has to be dismantled.

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Kick It
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posted August 31, 2008 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
"baby don't hurt me
don't hurt me
no more"

So terrible the first and second time, I thought Id do it again!

There will be ways of finding out if a partner is faithful/cheating type by using astrology. Not too sure though.
Practical bits is if he/she has cheated/had lots of flings before.

I always look to the 12th house because it was said to rule illicit things like crime and other illicit things. I guess cheating was illegal at some point in humanity.

Tatyh, a bloke giving numbers out isnt too bad unless you decided to be exclusive. Of course they could just be friends...who happen to look good in short skirt and not much up top....but that can be fairly normal.
Not very good what he said to you though. I say kick him in the bullocks!

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tatyh
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posted August 31, 2008 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tatyh     Edit/Delete Message
I'm glad there's other people out there who have been through the same thing. Not glad that it happened to other people, just that other people have gotten through it because I'm beginning to think I'm going crazy!

I ask what is love because I can't understand why I'm so stuck on him. Do people fall in love with someone because of the tangible qualities? Or is there something invisible that caused it to happen? Am I being stupid? Does astrology have an answer?

Here's his birth information if anyone is interested:

September 4, 1976 at 11:26 a.m. in Zagreb, Croatia

My birth information:

May 31, 1985 at 9:00 a.m. in New York, NY

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Kick It
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posted August 31, 2008 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
Love is a word to describe a feeling.

Did you just ask him for the time? It could be wrong. Maybe even Sag rising.
Build up of planets in the 12th house (possibly) for this one with Scorpio rising. 1st ruler in 12th.

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koiflower
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posted August 31, 2008 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
People fall in love for different reasons. This isn't about astrology, but people's visual attraction based on face shapes. There are three ways to fall in love:

Harmonism - each person in partnership shares the same proportions as each other, ie, mathematically proportioned measurements are the same from forehead to bridge of nose, length of nose, interval between nose and mouth and length of chin.

Echoism - partners tend to look alike. The couple can visually mirror each other with facial features eg, strong jaw, petite jaw, wide nostrils, defined lips, full lips etc..

Prima Copulism - the person falls in love with someone who looks like someone who had great influence over them as a child, eg. nanny, grandparent, parent

You're not going crazy! Most people have a confusing time with attraction at least once in their life!! I just thought I would throw the above idea in, to give you something else to ponder.... However, I think synastry in astrology is an amazing science. It is full of infinite possibilities!!! Try comparing your chart with other ex's, and you may see how your attractions may be based on different energies.


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posted September 01, 2008 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diandra23     Edit/Delete Message
i only know what love is because i feel it - so you will only know to describe it by feeling in your own soul and spirit.

Therefore,to each one of us,LOVE is diferent and assume diferent shades od Light.

i know what you feel Tatyth although my bf never told me he was more in love with his 1st Love.

For him,it was a very transformative and yet,devastating relationship.It hurted him a lot and as he is cancer ac,he never forgtes and his PAST is always with him.

Me?sometimes i get jealous of not being his 1st love and that imaturity from my part makes me hurt sometimes,even if he says to me
"we are lucky cause both of us didnt had a great love before, with whom we wanted to have married with"

We are only humans and have our insecurities,but...the way he talked to you would have made me not only incredibly hurted but also,feeling that a person who says that,dont really deserve our LOVE.

Do you feel that?

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