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Topic: Got Earth?
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Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 9145 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted August 31, 2008 02:54 AM
Have you ever noticed that people who lack fire, air, or water are excused, while people who lack earth are judged mercilessly, in our society?Earth is the capacity for creating security, structure, and discipline; for utilizing resources, following through, and bearing practical results. With very little earth, you could easily find yourself homeless, and the vast majority of society will not shed a tear for you. But, if you lack the other elements, nobody really cares; so long as you have a job and keep your problems to yourself, they will call you a good man and a solid citizen. If you lack the other elements, people blame it on nature, but, if you lack the earth element, people say its your own fault. IP: Logged |
CoralFrequency Knowflake Posts: 1432 From: Registered: Feb 2007
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posted August 31, 2008 03:13 AM
I think they can all be mercilessly judged. Lack of air could be labelled as: anti-social, the hermit or the nerd, the snob - the person who never interacts with others. Lack of fire could be labelled as: lazy, too comfortable, never gets anything done, never takes action, no personality/originality. Lack of water could be labelled as: insipid, unemotional, insensitive, crude, blank or too detached Lack of earth can be labelled as: head in the clouds, impractical, 'good for nothing', can't hold a steady job. But they're just labels at the end of the day. I think people who lack an element are often misunderstood. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 14953 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 31, 2008 03:16 AM
I've been homeless a few times in my life. And have never been able to keep a steady job. And my life has often been very unstable in general.26t, Taurus Sun Virgo Moon Cap Asc IP: Logged |
CoralFrequency Knowflake Posts: 1432 From: Registered: Feb 2007
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posted August 31, 2008 03:16 AM
quote: If you lack the other elements, people blame it on nature, but, if you lack the earth element, people say its your own fault.
I'm not sure about people blaming nature. With a lack of water for instance, the person could be perceived as completely detached in all of his relationships and constantly asked to change or be something else. The same thing would happen with "the snob" who lacks air signs. People would eventually detach and assume the person is just dis-interested in interacting with others. I don't think there is necessarily more understanding for people who lack the other elements. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 14953 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 31, 2008 03:22 AM
quote: Lack of earth can be labelled as: head in the clouds, impractical, 'good for nothing', can't hold a steady job.
Hm..what's my excuse then? lol quote: Got Earth?
moo. IP: Logged |
CoralFrequency Knowflake Posts: 1432 From: Registered: Feb 2007
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posted August 31, 2008 03:29 AM
26T - You actually don't come accross as that at all lol I lack air, other than my Asc, but I'm not a hermit or a snob. It doesn't always ring true. I've read that sometimes the person goes to the opposite extreme and they become a LOT like the element they are missing. It all depends on free will and your overall personality. Astrology isn't the only factor. All I'm saying is, if you take individuals who lack a certain element and actually act this out in their day to day lives - I don't think a lack of earth would be judged as worse than a lack of anything else. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 14953 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 31, 2008 03:35 AM
Hey Coral, thanks! Yes, I agree with you. There's just so much that plays into it all. I was just sitting here thinking and astrologically speaking only, natal Uranus on my MC and trans Neptune in my first may have been the culprits all these years. Ever since my Saturn return....actually since the past few months and especially after this recent eclipse exactly on my Saturn, things have really started to turn around in big ways. It's nice. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 14953 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 31, 2008 03:50 AM
....i dont think i know anyone who has had more jobs than i have, well knowing some of my old friends i probably do, but can't think of any now.....i should try and count how many i've had sometime. Many were only held for a day or two and I didnt return and a few were just a couple of hours in duration before I walked out. A few I did hold onto for a year or so. Then many more that lasted various numbers of months...How very irresponsible. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 14953 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 31, 2008 03:52 AM
oop! anyway - back to labelling! IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted August 31, 2008 10:56 AM
I have a singleton in Earth: Neptune, a generational planet.I think to keep myself not homeless I surround myself with very Earthy people lol to remind me to get **** done. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 9145 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted August 31, 2008 11:12 AM
quote: I've read that sometimes the person goes to the opposite extreme and they become a LOT like the element they are missing.
Really? Wow, that's interesting, Coral. Do you recall where you might have read about that?
quote: oop! anyway - back to labelling!
I'm sorry you took this so personally, 26Taurus. I'm not trying to label people, just to understand. You certainly do appear to be an exception to the rule. (And, every rule, however air-tight, has exceptions.) I suppose we could look to that MC/Uranus, and the fact that it closely squares Mars, which rules your South Node? Mars is co-ruler of your MC, with Pluto, which squares your Ascendant, so... Maybe this is your "excuse"? All these things could suggest instability in that area. Are you this way in other areas, or only 10th house matters?
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Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 9145 From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted August 31, 2008 11:17 AM
The power of fortune is confessed only by the miserable, for the happy impute all their success to prudence and merit.~ Jonathan Swift IP: Logged |
augentier Knowflake Posts: 893 From: KS Registered: Nov 2007
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posted August 31, 2008 11:18 AM
"Lack of air could be labelled as: anti-social, the hermit or the nerd, the snob - the person who never interacts with others. " HEY, that's me! I've got no air in my chart..
------------------ Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon Mercury:: Sagittarius Venus::Scorpio Mars::Pisces IP: Logged |
evander Knowflake Posts: 195 From: east of eu Registered: Apr 2008
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posted August 31, 2008 11:49 AM
^me too actually. absolutely no air hereIP: Logged |
robyn.c Knowflake Posts: 207 From: england Registered: Dec 2007
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posted August 31, 2008 11:56 AM
i havent got earth and am totally adhering to the rules! been homeless, cant hold down a job, a bit detatched..IP: Logged |
mblover Knowflake Posts: 508 From: Registered: Nov 2007
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posted August 31, 2008 01:41 PM
HSC - I agree with the general concept that those who lack Earth could be seen as impractical people in the society..Personally, I have only one planet in Earth Saturn - probably, just like you! And, thats supposed to be even worse with no Earth planets..or rising But, I haven't been unemployed for the last 9 years.. I am doing quite well with self dependency etc traits that require a practical management of life.. So, not sure if lack of earth means you cannot have a steady life.. (could it be my upbringing? or could be my childhood experiences that keeps me steady on Career and Work life?.. not sure) I know that I am very very different from Practical people (Cap, Virgo, Taurus).. but that difference is Internal Psychology and the way I find happiness in my life.. ((Similar could be true for Cancers with very little Earth, yet doing quite well with practical aspects of life)) Lack of air could be labelled as: anti-social, the hermit or the nerd, the snob - the person who never interacts with others. I have only Pluto in Libra.. And, I am way more social than other Air people.. Lack of fire could be labelled as: lazy, too comfortable, never gets anything done, never takes action, no personality/originality. I have only Jupter and Neptune in Fire.. and I believe this doesn't apply to me at all.. Majority of astrologer friends have thought I am a Leo..Lazy..Never..Too Comfortale..Never..Strive to get things done..Action.. Always..Orignality..(You be the judge) Lack of water could be labelled as: insipid, unemotional, insensitive, crude, blank or too detached With Cancer Rising and six Scorp planets I can be way more insensitive and crude..(but only when its part of retaliation) Lack of earth can be labelled as: head in the clouds, impractical, 'good for nothing', can't hold a steady job. 9 years of steady job, received awards in many fronts of life, practical enough, will be starting several enterprises soon.. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 14953 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 31, 2008 02:10 PM
quote: I'm sorry you took this so personally, 26Taurus.
No! Did i come across that way? Sorry. I was just having fun because i think it's kind of funny how often I dont fit into the typical earth sign roles yet i am a triple earth sign. That's all. Life and people are so complex arent they? And no, mainly in 10th house matters. And much of what I described is also 'old news'. It took place when I was alot younger; teens. As the years have gone by, I've been able to stick with jobs a little longer each time...in most cases.
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 13873 From: CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted August 31, 2008 02:26 PM
I wonder if the elements of the houses play into things.I also consider that singletons are supposed act stronger than a typical placement. IP: Logged |
Scorpionic Web Knowflake Posts: 812 From: Pennsylvania Registered: Dec 2005
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posted August 31, 2008 04:37 PM
Too much of any one element can make an individual very complacent. 26Taurus has her "Big 3" all in Earth, this creates a certain ease between forces. This peaceful accord causes a lack of stimulation/challenge and thus a person doesn't feel the typically ascribed pressures. With such Earth harmony, a person may feel no need to climb socio-economic ladders (especially if these placements are largely unaccompanied by hard angles to other planets). IP: Logged |
venusmars Knowflake Posts: 287 From: Registered: May 2008
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posted August 31, 2008 07:36 PM
hi I have no earth element in my chart "Head in the clouds"..yeah I always hear this expression for myself IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 14953 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 31, 2008 10:40 PM
Well said, Scorpionic Web. venusmars, i have three, but still:
"Feet on the ground Head in the sky It's ok I know nothing's wrong . . nothing" Talking Heads
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Inner depths Knowflake Posts: 545 From: The Greatest Outdoor Show on Earth City! Registered: May 2006
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posted August 31, 2008 10:55 PM
Well I have 4 earth planets (2 "personal" ones) and all my earth houses are LOADED. My resume looks like a small novel....I have earth but the longest job that I have held is now over 2 years now!Now Let me quote Betty Lundsted about earth in a chart "Tend to be rigid or stubborn on outlook.....Financial security is not important to these people and sometimes will not behave in a diplomatic manner to employers or coworkers! They can enjoy the successes of working however they will refuse to stay in situations they don't approve of to attain financial security....they won't sell their souls for money - they can take it or leave it." Well, I'm not a slave to money or what I own. When choosing a job - it has to be a well established company and the work must have some meaningful quality with it for me to work.....if I had a job that paid the BIG bucks and I hated it - I simply wouldn't work there..... I went through a "homeless" phase from Spring of 98 till summer 99. I'm not sure what transits were in effect at that date for me..... ID IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 14953 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 31, 2008 10:58 PM
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triplecancer Knowflake Posts: 148 From: Registered: Jul 2006
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posted August 31, 2008 11:30 PM
AG, I was wondering the same thing, if houses have any effect. I have a friend who has no earth in her chart, but has planets in earth houses, and she is very responsible, does not have her head in the clouds. I only have two planets in earth and tons of water and yet I am very rational and down to earth. Maybe it's because those two planets are in earth houses and act out stronger. IP: Logged |
astroleolady Knowflake Posts: 442 From: In the ęther Registered: Mar 2006
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posted September 01, 2008 02:34 AM
Hi AG & triplecancer,Yes, the houses can have an affect when an element is missing by sign. If you are missing planets in Taurus, Virgo and Capricorn, then you can look to the 2nd, 6th, and 10th houses (the houses of substance) for some Earth. March & McEvers book, The Only Way to Learn Astrology: Math & Interpretation Techniques, discusses various lacks in the natal chart. These include lack of elements, lack of qualities, lack of house emphasis and unaspected planets. IP: Logged |