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posted September 02, 2008 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
I remember there was a few years back a lot of chatter raised by member "william" who knew how to do midpoint-midpoint analysis. Does anyone have any good resources out there that can be used to determine this type of analysis?

Ta in advance...

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Arnicka
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posted September 02, 2008 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Arnicka     Edit/Delete Message
"William" posts a lot on the astrodienst board, you can tell the compact concise writing style, exclusively on composites. Try posting there?

eta: he's under a diff name there. when i remember i;ll repost.

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posted September 02, 2008 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I think I probably have his email somewhere still. He was a good guy.

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posted September 02, 2008 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OzMeg222     Edit/Delete Message
'Todd neimann' I think, thats only cos when I first went to the astro.com forum I noticed he writes and phrases exactly the same as 'william' did.

He's amazing with composites

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posted September 02, 2008 02:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the info

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Lara
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posted September 02, 2008 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
you going to start a thread on astro about it 23 cause I would love to know what
Person A's sun/moon midpoint conjunct 1degree person B's sun/moon midpoint
Person A's Venus/mars midpoint conjunct exact person B's Venus/mars midpoint
Person A's Juno conjunct person B's sun/moon midpoint and person B's Juno opposes person A's Venus/mars midpoint.
Person A's sun conjunct person person B's sun/moon midpoint.
Person B's sun conjunct person A's Venus/mars midpoint.

All the same couple!!!

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libraschoice7
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posted September 02, 2008 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message
Does anyone know why he stopped posting here on LL? I always wondered about that...

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posted September 02, 2008 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message
If you do venture to explore this midpoint to midpoint thing with the composite expert elsewhere, do post the link, dahling!

8th

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posted September 03, 2008 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
He left feeling offended by the place.

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Lara
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posted September 03, 2008 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Todd was offended? wow

I will start a thread tonight when I get my computer back!!

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posted September 03, 2008 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
8th - I wish I knew how to do them, just really curious. He's the only one who I have ever seen use midpoint-midpoint synastry. I'm very shady on midpoints myself, I suppose combining the two planets gives the quality of the midpoint and the midpoint planet person provides the person the promise of that planet/asteroid to the midpoint person.

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posted September 03, 2008 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrobee     Edit/Delete Message
Hi 23
Here is my question and Zane Stern's answer on Allexperts.
And to add: Sun/Moon MP is considered one of the most important, both in synastry and natal. So, that conjunction you have with natal Sun is very strong.
Below Zane's answer is my comment.
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synastry aspects between midpoints
Does an aspect between a midpoint in one person's chart (for example VE/MA MP) to the midpoint of the same kind (VE/MA MP) has any meaning? For example I noticed in such kind of midpoint synastry between two persons many conjunctions and squares between their midpoints of the same kind. Does it has any special meaning and what it could be?

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Thank you for your excellent question, Predrag.

My answer is no...and yes.

First, the no:
Midpoints have no independent existence. If you look at an individual's chart, there are many, many midpoints. The person has an ongoing set of experiences with in their life tied into every midpoint that has a natal planet in hard aspect to it (conjunction, square, and opposition, and to a lesser extent, semi-square and sesquiquadrate.)
If a person has no hard aspect to a particular aspect, then it lies as if dormant until one of a few things occurs, which I will get to shortly.

If a person has two sets of midpoints near each other, they still do not activate each other. They are all pretty much dormant...again until something activates them.

Think of the midpoints as the union of two types of energy.
But the energy is not channeled if there is no hard aspect to it...it just 'is'.

And if two people meet, and they have midpoints linked up, but no hard aspects from one chart to the midpoint in the other chart....then energy just 'is'. There is no energy transfer, because nothing is activating the midpoints in either chart.

What can channel the midpoint energy when there is no natal aspect to it? One of the following:

Either a planet transits in hard aspect to it, or a progressed planet makes a hard aspect to it. At this time, the energies represented by that planet are activated by the
transit or progression, and the person feels them come alive, so to speak.
If the person has two sets of midpoints coinciding, then the transit or progression actives both sets at same time, and there is a blending of four types of energy tapped by the transit or progression. (Some people may have three, or even
more, midpoints near each other, but the principle is the same.)

So here comes the YES.

EVERY TIME a transit hits the midpoints in one chart, it will hit the midpoint in the other. Transits will activate these energies, bringing about shared experiences.
EVERY TIME one of them experiences a progression aspecting the midpoints, they will go through a period of connectedness related to this.
And finally, EVERY TIME the couple meets another person who has a planet in hard aspect to the mutual midpoints, the couple will share a reaction for good or bad to this person.

I hope that helps.

Best wishes,
Zane
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It is not a question, I was so amazed with what I found in that astrology geometry that would like to share with someone.
It is very strange I noticed that these aspects between midpoints are vert tight, less then 1 degree, often less then 0.5 deg or less, so nothing can be by chance. Of course, there are other planetary synastry as weel as midpoints/planets synastry between these persons and I think that can be what activates these midopints synastry aspects.

I can be sure, just feel that such strange midpoints synastry could mean something very unique and fated in that realtionsip, because almost all Venus midpoints between one and the other person aspects eachother either as conjunction either as squares:

MO/VE 21.11 Le, 20.06 Sco
VE/MA 11.55 vi, 10.11 vir
VE/JU 18.46 Li, 18.58 Cap
VE/NE 9.41 Li, 9.32 Cap
VE/PL 9.07 Vi, 8.27 Sag

They don't have Venus/Uranus midpoints synastry because they have Venus opposition Uranus (maybe it is what activates?), similar with SU/VE, they have Sun trine Venus and ME/VE, they have Mercury opposes Venus and more wide orb (5.3) Venus square Mercury.

VE/SA MP sextiles eachother 8.11 Sco, 7.33 Li
SU/MO MP 3.35 Le 4.11 Sco
SU/MA MP 23.34 Le, 24.16 Le
SU/PL 21.46 Le, 22.32 Sco
Extremelly strange.

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Lara
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posted September 03, 2008 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
thanks for that info... It was me who has the sun conj sun/moon midpoint with my soulmate!!

Now all I have to do is get him back

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posted September 03, 2008 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the info Astrobee

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darkdreamer
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posted September 04, 2008 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
I completely agree with Zane on this one. Midpoints need a point or planet (natal, transit, progression) that triggers them.

Having said that William came to astounding results with his method though.


Lara,

yeah, I have that, too, with that crush of mine. My Sun conjuncts his Sun/Moon-midpoint. Actually my Sun is conjunct both his Sun and Moon, which of co urse means that the composite Sun also falls onto his Sun-Moon-midpoint, while interestingly the composite Moon falls onto my Sun-Moon-midpoint.
In the Davison chart it`s the same, just that the Davison Sun opposes his Sun-Moon-midpoint, and the Davison Moon opposes my Sun-Moon-midpoint.

*sighs* still it probably means nothing.

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Lara
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posted September 04, 2008 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
same here DD

Composite sun/moon conjunct both our sun/moon midpoints
Composite venus conjunct exact our natal venus's
Conposite DNA conjunct exact both our Venus/mars midpoints
Mars/union/amor all conjunct our natal mars's

This guy is my twin soul and l have been so stupid and blind to it

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posted September 04, 2008 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
William's midpoint work I havent seen anyone else do it and I really love his work.

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posted September 04, 2008 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

your last post reminded me of two songs


Pearl:
I'm guess im not too good at keeping love alive for long.
I think ive found the answers but the answers always wrong.
My first love was my true love and it should have been my last.
The only time im happys when im dreaming in the past.

Pearl Chorus:
Next time you fall in love it better be with me the way it used to be.
Back then, was when we touched the Starlight.

Pearl:
Sometimes you turn away from what your heart tells you is right,
And so you settle for whatever gets you through the night.
The flame you thought was dead may sudenely begin too burn.
And broken hearts can be repaired thats somthing that you learn.

Pearl:
repeat chorus

Rusty:
Ive relived every moment that i've ever shared with you.
What fools we were to end a dream that looked like coming true.

Rusty Chorus

Rusty and Pearl Chorus

Rusty and Pearl:
I guess im not too good at keeping love alive for long.
I think ive found the answers but the answers always wrong.
My first love was my true love and it should have been my last.
The only time im happys when im dreaming in the past.

Rusty and Pearl chorus x 2

And the one I totally loved and felt very drawn to inside my soul.

Only He
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Look at me a woman, calm and in control
no silly girl who´s head´s always turning
nobody would guess that deep inside my soul
a brand new flame is burning

Only he has the power to move me
And together we´d make the wohle world move in sympathy
But I couldn´t see before
That only he (I am a Starlight)
Has the power to move me ( I can achieve)
Take me, hold me, mould me, change me and improve me
It´s not funny any more

Only he can makr my burden light
only he can make a wrong seem right
only he can make the shadows bright
And make the darkness gleaming white
He him and me
Only he has the power to move me

All the nights i´ve wasted dreaming of the time
when I´d discover the one to guide me
Searching to horizion didn´t realise
that all the time he was beside me
only he ( I am the starlight)
Has the power to move me ( I can achieve)
And together we`d make the whole wolrd move in sympathy
Hop and pray that i´m in time

Only he yould stand and wait that long
Stand by me while I was going wrong
What if he couldn´t wait
Have I left it too late?

That only he ( I am the Starlight)
Has the power to move me ( I can achieve)
And together we`d make the whole world move in sympathy ( anything )

Can he know or will he never guess
That next time I´m gonna answer yes
Does he know if he come back today
This time i´m gonna make him stay

He only he

Only he has the power, every day, every hour
He moves me ( I am the Starlight)

(this one still brings tears to my eyes, just reading it.)

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