posted September 08, 2008 08:13 AM         

Does your natal Venus and Mars reveal any preference on this matter?

The recent Venus/Mars Capricorn thread fascinated me, with its keywords: mature, respectful and others I don't recall right now. It was a take it slow and steady situation.

It was like an alien planet. With Aries on my 5th cusp, and its ruler Mars Square Venus, the words impulsive, impatient, demanding are more my thing.

Mars (Aqua, 3rd) clashes with Venus who rules the 7th house on my natal chart. She lives there, too, in her own sign of Taurus. She tries to be sensible, but gets a hard time from Mars. Luckily, Saturn lives in the 7th house too, and tries his best to provide back-up and throw some sense into things. So far, so good.

posted September 08, 2008 08:25 AM         

Yeah, I reckon it probably has a lot to do with it.

My Venus is in Leo in 7th house and my Mars is in Gemini and 4th. And yes, I am impatient! I like things fast... don't know if that's due to Gemini Mars needing constant change and excitement... or my Leo Venus just wanting more and more to constantly keep it's ego satisfied! Both, probably.

posted September 08, 2008 08:40 AM         

My Venus wants instant results and I know when and who I love almost instantly. And I want them to tell me, like yesterday. However, if this happens to me the Taurus Mars in me says "Hang on, this person must be an idiot to like me so fast. What's wrong with him? And why doesn't he want to get to know me better before he commits his feelings into words?"

posted September 08, 2008 08:45 AM         

His Sun is Conjunct my Mars.

posted September 08, 2008 11:04 AM         

But after a while me Venus in Cancer in the 8th comes out to play too. She wants to get to know the other person in a deeper way, wants to know everything about them, but what she finds is usually ALL bad (not joking). Then she gets very sensitive, upset, sad about certain things like those "red alerts", unforgiving, etc. She desides, probably correct, that the relationship is no good and has to end. Just a shame she's very clingy and doesn't seem to be able to let go...

*sigh* so relationships are always a big, big drama for me. (also because all of the other hard aspects in my chart)

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posted September 09, 2008 05:16 AM         

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This sounds like me in a way.

The weird thing with me is that I don't even become attracted to someone very often. I'm strangely selective, but not in a conscious way - it's just that there are not that many men that I am actually THAT attracted to. I can't do 'casual', as in sleeping with someone just for the hell of it, like many people I know seem to, and I would never get into a relationship with someone who I didn't feel intensely attracted to either emotionally or physically. If it's not intense then I'm not interested. (Scorpio moon, Pluto square ASC/DSC, Pluto trine Venus).

So, having said that - if someone does capture my interest, it's almost instantaneous (Aries on the 5th house cusp, and it's ruler Mars square my Venus). Whether things HAPPEN quickly, my Taurus sun in the 5th house is reasonably passive about it and it depends on how quickly the man in question is going to move. I like the man to set the pace, but at the same time if it's too slow in the beginning stages of flirting (Venus in Gemini) then I lose interest. I like there to be a certain amount of Aries-ness from them.

posted September 10, 2008 02:00 AM         

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I can go for a long time just basking in the attraction and the excitement before anything develops further - but it will never be me who really initiates.

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So much like him!

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I'm strangely selective, but not in a conscious way

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I've always been like that too. I did always spend time (probably too much time) analyzing him and me and if we should become a "we." BUT my main criteria was to have that strong, instant attraction in the first place. Without it, I wasn't interested. So my selectivity was operating at an intuitive, preconscious level.

posted September 10, 2008 01:12 PM         

Venus is in 5th house and mars in 7.

I plundered through life and really never found anyone attractive to me, I was very picky. I wanted a soulmate and waited for that. When I met my husband I KNEW from the moment I looked in his eyes, he was the one. We courted, married, and had a baby all in a year's time and are still together. Today is his birthday. I am 10 years older than him.

posted September 10, 2008 02:46 PM         

interesting thread!

hmm, my venus (and mars) in libra makes me feel incomplete without a partner...but my Saggie sun loves independence! so have found a conflict there. But i love a man who is charming, well presented, can make me laugh and who is a friend and partner.

But i'm not so sure having mars in libra is so much fun...it's not very fiery! and i feel like sometimes I think too much and over analyse about relationships rather than just DOING and giving something a go even if i'm not sure....

posted September 12, 2008 02:03 AM         

my Venus Gemini. square AC and square descendant in Pisces. Venus opposed Saturn and Uranus. Trine Moon in Libra.

Mars Aries in the 7th house square saturn uranus and neptune. trine sun sextile jupiter.

the Ruler of my AC opposes the ruler of my DC creating a second axis kind of.

how this all factors into my relations i do not know. but the ruler of your 8th house in the 7th house has been cited to bring sorrow in connection with affection. it prolly doesnt help being a malefic.

posted September 12, 2008 02:43 AM         

Do I identify with relationships causing sorrow? Well, you can't realistically expect them to be one long honeymoon. And what you are describing there is a passionate start to a relationship that subsequently fizzles out. There's different perspectives on why that happens often. Unrealisitic expectations? Not prepared to work at a relationship after the 'honeymoon period' is over? Not the right person for each other? The relationship has fulfilled its purpose?

Not everything is meant to last forever, but if you feel like you are caught in a trap then there might be questions to be answered.

If I am brutually honest with myself I would say I sometimes take for granted the security and contentment of having a happy marriage and forget not everyone is in that situation.

But I have put in a lot of effort into my relationship (with my husband). Like anyone we have had problems to face with money, family, health, etc and life can be tough. There are no magic answers but I think a bit of luck does come into the picture. "Marriage is a lottery" is something I've heard people say more than once.

Do you have any planets in your 8th house? This is what Janis Huntley says in "Astrologocial Voids: Exploring the Missing Components in the Birth Chart":

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Ruler of Empty Eighth Placed in the 7th

The subject strongly desires a deep, permanent relationship which is founded very much upon sexual proclivity, but which is also highly communicative and united in all areas of life. Sometimes the subject can be extremely demanding within a relationship. Partner's financial resources and possessions are regarded as his own, and there is a powerful need for this person to feel totally loved and one hundred percent committed. There are no half measures here.

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posted September 12, 2008 08:46 AM         

I will have to disagree with you a tad. I have been on a 13 year honeymoon, it gets better every day.

I am glad you do have a good relationship! It makes life so much more.

posted September 12, 2008 01:00 PM         

You can see the principle she is working on ~ it is the energies of the 8th house applied to the 7th. It's depth, intensity, and the Scorpionic nature of the 8th. Not the sorrow and the denial of a happy and lasting relationship. I'd just say, realistically, it increases the chances of this not being an easy ride.

posted September 13, 2008 12:12 AM         

I'm trying to be less cautious, but I'd rather be single than get involved just to have someone there.

posted September 13, 2008 03:59 AM         

His relevant placements are Aries on the 5th house, Aries moon, Libra sun and Venus.

First serious girlfriend Theresa (Terry), he was with her for a few years I believe, and even namechecked her on the notes of his first album.

However that relationship promptly ended when he met June Child. He had arrived for a meeting and she worked in the office. After one conversation (in which they just clicked), he had fallen in love. He called her at the office that same day and said that he needed to see her. She went to his house, he offered her a bowl of muesli and they went outside and ate muesli on the lawn. He then handed her a poem that he had written that afternoon, and said "I'm in love with you." From that moment they were a serious couple and Theresa was suddenly his girlfriend no more!

While June and he were a serious couple, during a recording session he was love(or was it lust!)-stricken at first sight when soul singer Marsha Hunt walked into the room. Their eyes met and the atmosphere was electric. After the recording session, they simply walked out arm in arm into the night...

When June discovered the affair, she was suitably furious and Marc was both upset and guilt-ridden. To make it up to June (and I suppose, to salvage the relationship) he proposed and they were promptly married.

A few years into the marriage, when Marc was in LA he met and fell in love with another soul singer, Gloria Jones. He left June and became engaged to Gloria (who also became his backing singer), going on to have a son with her. When Marc died in 1977 he was not yet divorced from June and so he and Gloria never married.

posted September 13, 2008 04:26 AM         

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I think his propensity for instant attraction/love at first sight was VERY much a combo of his Aries 5th house and Aries moon, along with the romanticism of his Libra sun and Venus.

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