posted September 12, 2008 09:35 AM         

Pluto in the 1st house natally modifies this person`s ASC and might give him a bit or a Scorpio-expression,e specially if Pluto conjunct ASC.

Pluto in 1st house synastrically is a generational overlay, and person A will have it with many many people.
I would think it is important if the other person`s Pluto rules their 1st, 4th, 5th, 7th or 8th house or if this other person´s Pluto is making a strong synastric aspect to person A`s planet.

Example:
Person B has his Pluto in Person`s A`s 1st house and also trines A`s Venus, which fall into her 9th or 5th house.

Oh and in those cases Pluto could bring intensity, passion and even obsession into the interplay. Or it could be even in the form of power plays, that the Pluto person tries to manipulate or overpower the other person (that is only the destructive expression of that aspect though).
It also depends on the aspect this Pluto makes.

posted September 12, 2008 10:05 AM         

I didn,t quite get this:
I would think it is important if the other person`s Pluto rules their 1st, 4th, 5th, 7th or 8th house

Could you please explain?

posted September 12, 2008 10:49 AM         

every house has its cusp in a certain sign; the natural ruler of that sign now is the ruler of the house.

example:

3rd house cusp falls in Cancer; Moon is the natural ruler of Cancer, and therefore Moon rules the 3rd house in that chart.

To see what house is ruled by Pluto, look which cusp falls into Scorpio.
Is SCorpio on the cusp of the 8th house, well then Pluto is the ruler of the 8th house and therefor pretty important.

The ruler of a hosue will tell you how the issues connected to that house will be expressed. 8th house can tell you something about transformation, intensity, depth, passion, sexual relationship, deep commitments, and the ruler of that house will show you where (house) and how (sign / connecting planet) you express t his.

Example: Pluto as ruler of 8th house in 3rd house.

This person will express their commitment, intensity, urge for transformation and moral principles (yes, the 8th house includes that, too) on the ground of the 3rd house, communication, neighbourhood and sister / brothers.

It also means that he will only speak (3rd house) about things, that touch him deeply and are meaningful to him (8th house).
Or:
He communicates (3rd house) very strict moral principles (8th house).
And the ruling planet shows, HOW he does it. In the case of Pluto, it will be a very intense, focused and passionate (Pluto) way to communicate (3rd house) his principles (8th house).

This is of course only one possible interpretation.
It could also be that he deeply (Pluto) commits (8th house) to a brother or sister (3rd house).

posted September 12, 2008 11:05 AM         

Well, this is probably the most passionate and intense and committed position you can have.
This person would commit (8th house) completely (Pluto) to a partner (7th house). Or at least there would be the inner need to do that.
But since we sometimes project our 7th house onto others, it could also be that this person attracts partners to her / him, who are very Plutonic, in the worst case stalkers, in a more positive light deeply passionate people who really care for the other one.
Of course Pluto can be pretty posessive and manipulative, so a partner also could try to "tie" this person down, to "posess" him or her, which is the shadow side of being committed.
On the light side this person would be willing to protect him / her and fight for her until selfdestruction (or destruction of the "enemies" from outside).

Now, if the person with the ruler of 8th house in 7th house, has a very independent chart, for example Aries- ASC or Aquarius-Sun or Sagittarius-Moon, he probably will choose to project this need for commitment and complete surrender on his partner (and attract all these Scorpionic, Plutonic types in his life, as I described above).
Because on a conscious level the Aries-ASC / Aquairus- Sun and Sag / Moon wants to be independent, free, NOT committing to someone else completely, always free to go away and come back again, as they like.

This of course can lead to fights like the third world war between them and their Pluto-partner.

But underneath it all, it is really the need of the "independent" one to be committed and find a committed partner,b ecause the constellation is in HIS chart, and the other one just fills this space, oiur independent friend may have pushed into the subconsciousness.

Of course it is not easy to express two such different sides within a person.

I hope I didn`t d isgress too much, or have confused you now.

posted September 13, 2008 01:58 AM         

1.A has a cancer moon so I guess the watery feeling.But judging from what I see in my mother and 3 aunts who are scorpio...I wouldn't say the person is very scorpionic in habits.In anycase no pluto conjunct ascendant.

2.Noticed something in B's chart,the eighth house is ruled by libra and there is a little bit of scorpio towards the end.It is in this part that the ruler of libra,venus is placed.The adjacent 9th house is ruled by scorpio and has the moon and uranus.Does the stellum in the 8th house....pluto,mars and venus act in conjunction with the moon and uranus in the 9th in scorpio?Is this important?

posted September 13, 2008 07:42 AM         

I didn`t know you were talking about a business partnership. I was talking about personal romantic relationships.

Well, I think for business and work relationships you might look more into the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th house, actually, and compare if those persons want the same thing.
Also, Jupiter, Saturn, mercury and mars would probably be more important than Moon or Venus for example.

Pluto aspects can actually be positive for business relationship, when the aspects are relatively smooth and both persons are equal partners - then they could become a "power couple" in terms of their enterprise and have a lot of success.

"If I am correct 9th house is of mental expansion?"
Yes, but it is more than this. It`s also about how you as a couple interact with your social environement (in the mutable houses you SHOW what you have in the cardinal houses; in this case Cardinal house is the 7th: relationship, and in the 9th the relationship, evne a business-partnership, becomes visible to others).

"Would this info mean that pluto in A's first house is less important"
I´m not sure. It is a generational placement after all.

."he stuff I am reading on conflict and power struggles relating to pluto worries me"
Don`t be worried. Powerstruggles CAN be a way of expression, but don`t have to. Partners with strong Pluto aspects can also leave their mark on their environment and make a "difference", be it for the good or the bad. That is their choice actually.
If you want to become influential, it`s probably a good sign to have Pluto there.
Of course too much Pluto might scare other people away.

"I wouldn't say the person is very scorpionic in habits."
Well, if this is the person who has Pluto ruling their 9th house, it means that the ruler of 9th house is in their 1st house, and this will carry some 9th house / Sagittarius colouring to their persona, which might modify the Pluto in 1st house. It`s all so complex. sorry.

"2.Noticed something in B's chart,the eighth house is ruled by libra and there is a little bit of scorpio towards the end."
So Venus is ruler of the 8th hosue. You only take into account the sign on the cusp or the sign that is completely intercepted in a house.

"Does the stellum in the 8th house....pluto,mars and venus act in conjunction with the moon and uranus in the 9th in scorpio?Is this important?"
Well, in some sense everything is connected to everything.

But I would look at it separatedly for a start. There is a Stellium in the 8th and there is Moon and Uranus in 9th house. Different things.

Yet, as I see there IS a connection, as Pluto as the ruler of the 9th house falls into the 8th house (did I understand it right?).
thus he carries the 9th house themes into the 8th house. Maybe that would connect the planets placed in both houses, too.