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posted September 15, 2008 03:57 PM         

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I recently began looking at Davison charts in addition to the composite. Can anyone explain what the primary differences are between the two? What will one tell you that the other won't? Which one do you trust?

With the guy I am involved with, we have a grand cross in the composite, but a kite in the Davison. Is this unusual? Which one has more influence?

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posted September 15, 2008 06:43 PM         

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hi misskitty,

a snyastry (house overlay) tells you about two people as indviduals react to eacht other, interact with each other and influence each other. it describes the effect between two individuals.

a davison horoscope is like a "natal chart" of the relationship as such (be it a love affair, friendship or whatever). it tells you about the "story" or the "theme" of that pairing - as if this "story" had a charactre of its own, as if this "relationship" was a whole organism itself - whith specific topics, problems, qualities ... like a "film script".

a davison chart is like a "natal chart" of the relationship as a whole complete thing, telling you about the character of that story.

a synastry is just like two "different"/"individual" people standing in front of each other.

hope, these ideas help.

*** edit: oh sorry, you asked for a "composite" vs a davison chart...again - what i wrote about the davison chart is still true (in my eyes). a composite is made out of the midpoints of the two people's charts ... so closer to the "synastry" in its charactre. a davison-chart is newly created, based on the birth-dates and -places of the two people involved ... difficult to explain, technically, for me as a foreign speaker. sorry.***

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posted September 15, 2008 06:54 PM         

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Composite natal compares both chart positions by taking the middle point between both planets (in each seperate natal) and putting the joint planet in that position.

I have Sun at 10 degrees Libra and you have Sun at 20 degrees Libra, the planet now goes to the middle point which is 15 degrees Libra.

Davison Compares two actual time and dates of the two natals and gets the middle day/time for that.

I was born on 1st September 1980 and you were born on 20th September 1980. Me born at 3pm and you at 5pm. New date for Davison is now 10th September at 4pm, whichever ASC that brings.

I prefer Composite. You dont even look at the calender or birth date to compare natal charts, so why do it this time?
You look at planet positions.

Like the idea of Davison and needs looking into, but what would happen if they have different birth towns? Time zones all get messed up when combining the two natals.

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posted September 15, 2008 07:46 PM         

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Hmmm, that's really interesting about the Davison. Thanks for clearing this up.

I will say that I relate more to our Davison than our composite. Our composite shows a grand cross, but our time spent together and our interactions are always so comforting and positive. Nothing like you would expect from a grand cross. It is more like the kite in the Davison. This is what has me so confused...

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posted September 15, 2008 08:00 PM         

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If you've got good synastry, that might give the feeling of covering the composite problems. I have that with my partner. We've been circumstantially gone through difficult times but the difficulties weren't caused by us as a unit, just what life has thrown at us. You should differentiate this if this has happened to you. Maybe the composite is accurate and your synastry is good.

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posted September 15, 2008 08:24 PM         

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The Davison shows how the relationship plays out. The forces that are acting upon it. Look for transits to the Davison to see where your relationship stands.

The composite is just the energy of the relationship as a separate entity.

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posted September 15, 2008 08:24 PM         

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I bet you are right, I knew our synastry was good so that is why the grand cross threw me for a loop. And now that I have seen the aspects for our nodes and vertex in the other thread, that must be why the grand cross effect is softened.

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posted September 15, 2008 08:33 PM         

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Kismet - good way of putting it, I haven't heard it said like that. I agree that the Davidson with my partner is how it will play out and has so far.

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posted September 15, 2008 08:45 PM         

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i also discovered a grand trine in my composite which i am in the process of learning about. Where would i find entering data into a davison chart; i dont see it in astro. Our synastry is bad, it actualy doesnt make sense to me. Im all the "bad" planets, he is the moon, etc...Im not violent even though that is whats stated.

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posted September 15, 2008 08:48 PM         

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astro.com --> extended chart selection --> Under methods/circular charts, select the composite chart --> press enter

I tend to use the first composite chart one. I'm not sure if the second one makes a difference or not.

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posted September 15, 2008 08:50 PM         

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OK, I tried the place reference composite and it made no difference to the composite chart as the first option (midpoint method).

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posted September 15, 2008 08:57 PM         

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where is a good site to find out how to read davison charts?

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posted September 15, 2008 08:59 PM         

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I haven't looked for one that deals with Davidsons. From what I can gather they aren't popularly used. I imagine they would be read like a composite.

Cafeastrology has got some good stuff on composites though:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/compositechart.html

Look to the "site menu" on the right for more of the composite pages.

Maybe you can use it for your Davison.

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posted September 15, 2008 09:09 PM         

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http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/relationshipdavidson26.0.htm

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