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writesomething
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posted September 22, 2008 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
so, ive noticed, mercury in aquarius is a very strong indication of an intellectual. every person i know with it has a phd, minus the young ones, that are going to school at the moment.

disclaimer~ its just a pattern, ive noticed. i dont mean to offend anyone. i know intelligence is a very controversial topic.

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posted September 22, 2008 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message
I agree that people with an Aquarius mercury tend to be very intellectual and are well-educated. However, not everyone with this placement has a PhD or are in the process of earning one. Need an example? Two words: Paris Hilton.

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posted September 22, 2008 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message
I think Aquarius placements (including Mercury) generally bestow a love of reading and writing. I know Aquas working (or studying) in the following areas: creative writing, psychology, chemistry/physics and molecular biology.

But I don't see a pattern when it comes to Phd's. One can get a Phd in a variety of fields, many of which are not traditionally associated with Aquarius.

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posted September 22, 2008 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message
lol I just found out they have a Ufology - PhD, the study of unidentified flying objects

That's one Aquarius might like though.

But what about a PhD in commerce or accounting?
Doesn't sound very Aquarian.

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posted September 22, 2008 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
to be honest, i dont think anybody knows the real paris hilton. i think shes way smarter than we think. shes sells an image, and we buy it... but thats a whole other topic.

i think gemini rising is also another indication on intelligence. i come across very intelligent people thru my older family members, so im able to come across a lot of amazing patterns when it comes to the subject.

people have phds in commerce and accounting? LOL wow...thats strange.

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posted September 22, 2008 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message
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to be honest, i dont think anybody knows the real paris hilton. i think shes way smarter than we think. shes sells an image, and we buy it. but thats a whole other topic.

I don't think Paris is dumb at all. Perhaps she isn't book smart, but she does know how to promote herself. I used her as an example of a person with an aquarius mercury who does not have a PhD nor is she in the process of earning one.

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posted September 22, 2008 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
i didnt say everyone with a mercury in aquarius has a phd, im talking about people ive come across and my experience...

mercury retrograde anyone>? shadow period.

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posted September 22, 2008 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message

I know someone with Merc in Aqua - yes - very intelligent!!!!

Jupiter in Virgo is meant to be a "smart cookie" placement, too.

I thought Paris Hilton was very smart in her political campaign - great environmental policies!!

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posted September 22, 2008 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
I think either of the 3 air Mercs may denote this as well as Virgo Merc.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
And yes, i'm a guy!

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posted September 22, 2008 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
As far as "the real Paris Hilton" goes, take this for what it's worth. (Not much. ) I went to school with someone who said he had classes with Paris Hilton in high school. He said that when she'd be called on to read something in class, she would make a lot of mistakes. His actual words were, "she could barely read." I didn't know him well, but he seemed like a decent guy with no reason to lie about this. Even if it was true, that doesn't mean she's stupid. Maybe she's dyslexic, or insecure academically so she'd get nervous. My own opinion though is that she's not very bright, about average. I think her success speaks more to the public's lack of intelligence and love of sex tapes.

Anyway, back to Mercury in Aqua. I've yet to meet anyone with this placement who isn't intellectual. I'm not saying they've all been geniuses or highly educated, but they're all thoughtful, bright people.

Being interested in intellectual things doesn't always go hand in hand with being extremely intelligent. But if what you're asking about is what sort of aspects indicate being intellectual, I'd look for planets (especially personal ones) in the 3rd and 9th house. And Mercury and Uranus (as the higher octave of Mercury) in an angular house. The first group would make someone interested in learning, and the second would make their intellect a strong part of their identity. (Mercury or Uranus in the 7th could result in them projecting it onto others, making them seek intellectually stimulating company.)

That's what I think will indicate an intellectual. Then as far as what indicates extreme intelligence, I'd look at the state of Mercury. Besides it being in Aqua, I'd also look for it to aspect Uranus and/or be in the 11th house. Mercury in the other air signs and Virgo also make sense for this.

Something I've noticed coinciding with extreme intelligence is Mercury being unaspected. But I'm basing this one on only 2 examples.

I haven't looked much into this subject though, and I'm sure there are exceptions. I think with intelligence a lot of it is genes. So if you have the astro aspects that indicate extreme intelligence, that could just mean that you exceed your gene pool intellectually, that you're exceptional for your family. And if you don't have astro aspects that signify intelligence, that could just mean that your intelligence is typical of the family you come from, a family that may be extremely smart as a whole. I take the same view on aspects that are supposed to indicate beauty. "Beauty" astro aspects could indicate that you're exceptionally beautiful for your family, while a lack of them doesn't mean a lack of physical beauty but beauty that's typical for your family.

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posted September 22, 2008 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message
I know of 2 who fall into the genius category, but aren't academic in the traditional sense. Both have Virgo stelliums w/ Sun/Uranus/Pluto. One has Mercury thrown into the mix!

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posted September 22, 2008 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Less dependant on the sign of mercury, more dependent on aspects. From past experience:
* Mars (the direction a person directs their energy) in an air sign or virgo (but this is usually in combination with one of the below)
* Any (major) aspect between mercury and uranus - brilliance and flashes
* Any (major) aspect between mercury and jupiter - expansion of mindset
* Any (major) aspect between mercury and saturn - discipline, structure and wisdom of thinking
* Jupiter in Aquarius

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posted September 22, 2008 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe I'm picky, but for extreme intelligence or genius I think Stephen Hawking, someone of his ilk. Somebody with a Phd is broadening the parameters a little too much.

I know a couple of Mercury Aquas, yes, they are bright, they can do academia and they have got on well in their careers because they are sharp of mind. But I wouldn't call them genii.

I tend to agree with 23 that the aspects of Mercury will give more clue than the sign.

Above all, application is key. Intelligence is a muscle that can be flexed. I have a close friend who tells me a lot how extremely intelligent he is, maybe he is right, there just isn't much evidence. He's squandered the chances life gave him in the form of an expensive education and a good career job (gotten through the old school tie system). But, bit of bias here, with a Mercury Taurus I don't take much stock with people telling me how bright they are, I like to see proof. Feeling intimidated at their speed of thought or encyclopaedic knowledge, for example. Not the case here.

Application in the astrological sense particularly makes me think of the Trine, and the Grand Trine. They're gifts you have to get your butt in gear to use. Any aspect can be used to it's best ability or used poorly. The harmonious ones can be squandered.



I think we can safely say Prof. Hawking got his @rse into gear as regards this eye-popping collection of Trines.

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posted September 22, 2008 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
With Stephen Hawking, I'd say its the merc-ura trine and mars in aries. Mars in aries, which I didn't mention in my first post can be quite magical. It's mars in its natural home and the person's drive is strong and it can be driven in what direction they choose. It's almost anarectic in his chart too. But also see how neptune is anarectic. Neptune is the ruler of pisces and that is the sign that is concerned with merger with all others and the universe. He takes the martial drive and intellect and deposits in the universe. His soul (moon) supports (conj) that (neptune). Both in analytical virgo. He also like to add structure to the universe in a very physical/mundane way (see the last point of the trine - ura conj saturn). Note how all of the grand trine planets are in earth - structure, the physical.

His jupiter which is in detriment is also unaspected in terms of major aspects. Interestingly it makes a squ to the NN which is again in the analytical virgo. Jupiter is roaming therefore and he can't see it as such which makes him be VERY philosophical and we can see his force as we are outside of him.

As Jane said, merc unaspected might produce intelligence. I only know one merc unaspected, that is my partner. These people can't find their mercury, don't know how to use it so they are constantly trying to use it. To us outsiders, we see it with telling force.

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Otherwise, BM made a good point about squandering intellect and a lot depends on the individual.

I'll say also extreme intelligence also involves not only observation and maybe vicarious learning but the will to learn. Those with a prominent jupiter (either by chart position or sign) would be more open and receptive to ideas and thus would like to learn and gain intellectual power through knowledge.

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posted September 22, 2008 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
what does mercury conjunct sun within 2 degs produce?


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posted September 22, 2008 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
I think merc conj the sun makes for maybe a subjective mentality. Sun is about self and ego. Also the person defines themselves to a point with their mercurial qualities, defines themselves through their mind. It's a rather common aspect.

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