posted September 24, 2008 02:25 AM            

During the course of a day, the Ascendant will spend about 2 hours in each zodiac sign (so about 4 minutes at each degree). I'm wondering if the T. Ascendant conjunct one of our natal planets highlights that planet for us. It wouldn't be the same as a transit from a planet; it wouldn't infuse our natal planet with a certain energy. Instead, it invites that part of ourselves into the world. It's the part of ourselves that we bring forth into our environment. Or from the other direction, the part of ourselves that the environment most easily touches.

The T.ASC moves quickly. Even allowing a fairly generous 5º orb, that would give only 44 minutes when the T.ASC would be conjunct a particular point in our chart. Maybe the T.ASC is not discussed much because its influence is for such a short period of time.

Do you think the T.ASC has any meaning?

I think it does, in the way I described above. But I can also see that I'm really biased about this and want to believe that it means what I think it means. When my mom died, the T.ASC was conjunct her Venus. (And my own Venus.) I know that we all did all we could to make her final moments as peaceful, supportive, and loving as we could. I guess I'd like for the T.ASC to mean what I think it means since it being on her Venus would confirm that she made that transition peacefully, w/o fear and with love. But I'm objective enough to see that I'm having a hard time looking at this objectively.

posted September 24, 2008 02:30 AM            

I don't have anything to say about the transiting Ascendant, but as usual your theory seems sound.

I wasn't aware that your mother had passed away. I knew that you were looking after her at night and I think I assumed that you still were. I just want to express my condolences.

posted September 24, 2008 03:58 AM            

My love to you Jane. It didn't feel that long ago, we had a small, yet moving discussion on your Mum.

posted September 24, 2008 09:31 AM              

Dear Jane

i am deeply sorry ofr the lost of your Mom.I know you have been treating her for quite long time - but you know that she passed onto that other place with peace and love in her heart.

Btw - im one of the few sho knows the time and place exact when we 1st made love hihihi - the minutes are just about off but im pretty sure of the time!

posted September 24, 2008 02:55 PM            

I'm sorry to hear about your mom.

You are right on the mark with your thoughts regarding the transiting Ascendant. It's very important. If you think about it another way and flip the charts (natal and transits) around, putting the transits in the centre and the natal chart on the outside wheel, the transiting Ascendant is the event chart's Ascendant (Electional Astrology).

I use events charts with the natal placements on the outside wheel to delineate events, circumstances and to plan appointments all the time. They work. They are very similar to interpreting your Solar Return in relation to your natal chart.

posted September 24, 2008 06:52 PM            

Anyway, back to the topic. Yes! I have discussed this with another astrologer many years ago. I was questioning whether the t-asc affects what people do in the day. For example, here where I live, it is common to have t-asc in tau in the middle of the day, which is primarily lunch time. Are bills paid when the asc is in virgo etc?

posted September 25, 2008 11:20 PM            

But I was thinking along the same lines as you, that when it's in a certain sign that sign's ambience will be more easily created. When it's in Libra, it's a good time for a candlelit dinner, and then by the time it moves into Scorpio, it's a good time to get started on producing that sex chart. And then in Sag, have some post-sex philosophical ramblings. And of course, pay up when it's in Cap. Or have the "So, what are we?" Talk. Quickly get dressed and escape when in Aqua. In Pisces, fake your death and create a new identity so the other person can never find you again.

Besides the sign's energy, I think the way the T.ASC impacts your own chart pinpoints the part of you with which the environment most easily interacts. So it would be a good time to discipline when it's on your Saturn, socialize when it's on your Jupiter, and so on.

posted September 26, 2008 08:14 PM            

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I thought the ASC changes and isn't in the same sign at the same time during the course of the year. During one month at midnight the ASC will be in Scorpio, when months later at midnight it will be in Aquarius. Right? Or is this different at extreme latitudes?

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Yes you're right, sorry I was thinking in terms of myself, ie those born around my time of the year.

posted September 26, 2008 10:18 PM            

Yes, to your question above. By flipping the charts, you get a new perspective on the situation, the actual chart of the event. When you have the event as the centre chart and the natal on the outside wheel, pay particular attention to the natal planets on the event chart's angles: Asc, Des, IC and MC.

Also pay attention to what house the natal Ascendant falls into. Looking at that in a different but similar way... what sign and house are coming to the natal Ascendant from the event chart?

Your question about the wedding chart Sun doesn't really have a specific answer. Where it's placed will depend upon the positions of the planets and the aspects they are making at the time of the "I dos" in an attempt to find a good date and time.

posted September 27, 2008 11:30 AM              

Or are you talking about a transit to the natal (in general) like every other transit?

posted September 27, 2008 07:03 PM            

I'm sorry if I confused you. Let's try again. I was discussing taking the transits and placing them on the inside wheel. The natal planets would then be placed on the outside wheel. The transits are now an event chart, which is then compared to the natal placements, particularly natal placements on the event charts angles: Ascendant, Descendant, MC, and IC. Some examples of event charts are: a first meeting chart, a surgery chart, a wedding chart, opening a business chart, a hair appointment, a doctor's appointment, an accident, a death, a lottery win, etc.

Other things to look at are: what natal planets are rising on the event chart's Ascendant. What house and sign come to the event chart Ascendant from the natal chart. What natal planets are elevated and taking precedence near the event chart MC? Event charts are interpreted this way as are solar returns. You should include the natal chart in the interpretation for the complete picture.

Electional Astrology is used by an astrologer to actually pick a specific date, time and place of an event, so that it maybe beneficial to the person(s) involved in the event and beneficial to the event's outcome. Weddings, surgeries, business openings, asking for a promotion or raise are examples of major life events that can be elected.

For more information, these references may help:

Marion D. March & Joan McEvers - The Only Way To Learn about Tomorrow: Current Patterns, Progressions, Directions, Solar and Lunar Returns, Transits (Volume IV)

Marion D. March & Joan McEvers - The Only Way To Learn about Horary and Electional Astrology (Volume VI)

Astrology Weekly on Event Charts http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-articles/event-astrology.php

Astrology Weekly on Electional Astrology http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-articles/electional-astrology.php http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-articles/electionalastrology.php

Kim Falconer on Returns http://www.falconastrology.com/reading_returns.htm

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Any return chart is read against the backdrop of the natal chart, not in isolation.
Location may be set for the birth place or the current residence. I use the birth place though other astrologers prefer re-location. Experiment for yourself on this.

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posted September 27, 2008 07:09 PM            

Good luck with picking the date and the wedding!
Have you read these articles on choosing a date?

North-Node http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/how-to-choose-a-wedding-date

posted September 27, 2008 07:31 PM            

I'm so sorry for the lost of your mother. I am so gutted to know that you are going through such a tough time. Oh, dear beautiful and sweet jane. I'm actually hurting for you or with you, I can't tell which. I just read the beginning of this thread. I only just found out. Lots of hugs. Tons of love to you and I know that a death of a loved one is never something we get over but that Jupiter will be strong for you sweetheart. I'm sorry if I'm digging up hurtful feelings and I'm sorry that I didn't find out earlier. It just makes me feel like I wasn't there for you, jane. Of course, I wouldn't have done anything of significance but at least I would have been there for you in thought.

posted September 27, 2008 07:34 PM            

Sending my sympathies and condolences on your Mom's passing

posted September 28, 2008 10:27 AM            

I wish that I paid more attention to the times that significant events occurred. I'm going to start now and give you full reports throughout the coming year!

Sent you an e mail.

8th