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Topic: Applying versus Separating in Relationship
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Love
Knowflake Posts: 1011
From: Canada
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted October 02, 2008 08:04 PM
 
Just wondering if anyone has examined synastry charts in order to see how many aspects are applying versus separating...?I had a look over my past relationships using an orb of 3 degrees, then 5 degrees and then 8 degrees. I found that in my most stable relationships there were far more applying aspects. However, in the relationships in which I was the most in love there were far fewer applying aspects. These ones were also my shortest relationships in terms of duration. They also felt the most karmic in nature. My gut-instinct theory is that in a shorter relationship (and one of greater intensity) there is effectively less time to accomplish what needs to be accomplished, therefore there might be fewer applying aspects. And if it was a karmic relationship, perhaps you would see far more separating aspects due to the fact that the relationship's goal is to tie up loose ends, as it were. Anyone else have an opinion on this?? Again, I have no idea how relevant applying and separating aspects might have to do with this, but there must be some meaning in terms of what is being learned/experienced by both parties... Thoughts?? IP: Logged |
alvarella777
Knowflake Posts: 504
From: Europe
Registered: Jun 2007
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posted October 02, 2008 08:09 PM
It's an appealing theory - but unfortunately I cannot apply this to my own love life. Actually, it is rather the opposite: More separating aspects (squares, quincnxes etc.) in the long run relationships - and much more "easy going" aspects (trines, sextile) in the short lived ones ... HM.IP: Logged |
Love
Knowflake Posts: 1011
From: Canada
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted October 02, 2008 08:15 PM
Actually, I mean actual applying and separating aspects. If you look at the additional charts, you will see a small 'a' or 's' next to the orb. The 'a' means applying and the 's' indicates separating:APPLYING/SEPARATING: An applying aspect is an aspect that is becoming stronger, while a separating aspect is one that is becoming weaker. For example, suppose that a person has the Moon 89 degrees ahead of the Sun in the birthchart. Because the Moon always travels faster than the Sun and it is 89 degrees ahead of the Sun, then we know that it is in the process of becoming more exact; in other words it is an applying aspect. On the other hand, if the Moon was 91 degrees of the Sun, the square aspect would be separating. Some astrologers feel that an applying aspect is more significant than a separating aspect because the applying aspect is more powerful and a more pressing challenge for the person whereas the waning aspect is not as critical, more of a waning issue in a person's life. Most astrologers, however, do not put a great deal of emphasis (or any emphasis at all) on whether an aspect is applying or separating.
http://astrology.horoscope.com/horoscopes/astrological-aspects.html IP: Logged |
alvarella777
Knowflake Posts: 504
From: Europe
Registered: Jun 2007
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posted October 02, 2008 08:19 PM
Oh - then my reply was quite ignorant, indeed ;-) Will check the info you've given a link to. And then come back ... if I have something substantial to say.;-)IP: Logged |
Love
Knowflake Posts: 1011
From: Canada
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted October 02, 2008 08:36 PM
I appreciate the response nonetheless!!  And actually, that would be an interesting topic to delve into as well. I think that my favourite relationships are fairly aspectually thematic. (Is aspectually a word? Well, it is while Mercury is in retrograde.) IP: Logged |
alvarella777
Knowflake Posts: 504
From: Europe
Registered: Jun 2007
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posted October 02, 2008 08:50 PM
Okay, definitely not native English-spekaing person here, haha. Now I don't understand the word "aspectually", haha. You mean: A Synastry dominated by squares ... in comparison to a Synastry dominated by sextiles, for instance? (That's what I imagine now.)Btw.: I read the info on that link ... but I find it quite limited. Don't know how to figure out whether an aspect is applying or separating...;-) IP: Logged |
LadyNeptune
Knowflake Posts: 419
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Registered: Dec 2007
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posted October 02, 2008 09:46 PM
Interesting theory!I'll have to see if it's true for me. IP: Logged |
CoralFrequency
Knowflake Posts: 1432
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posted October 03, 2008 12:20 AM
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Don't know how to figure out whether an aspect is applying or separating
It depends on which planet is faster and the degrees the planets are at. I'll give you a few examples: 1. Sun in Scorpio - 10'20
Moon in Scorpio - 8'10 The Moon is moving towards a conjunction with the Sun - so the aspect is Applying If the Moon was at Scorpio - 11'00, it would've gone OVER the Sun, so the conjunction would be Separating, i.e. the Moon would be leaving/separating from the Sun. 2. Using, Mars and Venus - Venus moves faster than Mars.. so if Venus is at - 10'20 Libra.. and Mars is at 9'00 Libra - this means Venus has passed OVER Mars and is now moving away from Mars. This would be a Separating aspect. 3. If Venus was retrograde in the above example, the aspect would be Applying - since Venus would be moving back towards Mars. Applying and Separating basically means: Is the aspect about to take place (Applying) - OR - has the aspect passed? (Separating) In the first example, when the Moon reaches 11'00 Scorpio, the conjunction aspect is *passing*. It's fading away.
Whereas when the Moon is approaching the Sun.. when it's at 8 or 9 degrees in Scorpio, the aspect is *about to happen* - it is Applying! IP: Logged |
CoralFrequency
Knowflake Posts: 1432
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posted October 03, 2008 12:28 AM
On www.astro.com - in the Extended Chart Selection, if you click on "View additional tables (PDF)", you get an aspect table. Every aspect has an "a" or an "s" next to it, depending on whether it is appling or separating. On http://www.configurationhunter.com/astrology-online/free-synastry.php
you'll find the same thing. It lists all of the aspects and you can choose whether you only want the "Applying" or "Separating" ones - under "Type of Aspect" IP: Logged |
alvarella777
Knowflake Posts: 504
From: Europe
Registered: Jun 2007
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posted October 03, 2008 05:04 AM
Thanks CORAL!!! Will check that soon.IP: Logged |
annaf
Knowflake Posts: 322
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posted October 03, 2008 03:34 PM
interesting theory and there does seem to be something to it! I've just checked the synastry with a man I felt most in love with and where this incredable feeling of karma and fatedness hit me from the first moment of laying eyes on him....and where a relationship never got off the ground. Not only struck me the number of separating aspects in general, but reg. Venus in particular. All the aspects formed by his venus with my planets are separating and my venus also connects with his planets mostly by separating aspects (only 1 applying aspect). With my other relationships there seemed to be a balance of separating and applying aspects. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
Knowflake Posts: 3991
From: Germany
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 03, 2008 03:51 PM
Very interesting theory. 
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Got Gemini?
Knowflake Posts: 1037
From: Mercury
Registered: Jul 2007
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posted October 03, 2008 04:15 PM
To take it a step further, how about applying aspects being similar to north node issues while separating aspects being similar to south node issues. You can also factor in applying and separating aspects with the NN and SN and Saturn since we are dealing with karma. Heck, throw in the asteroid karma as well.What's your take on that? ------------------
Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
And yes, i'm a guy! IP: Logged |
Lana29865
Knowflake Posts: 441
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posted October 04, 2008 03:37 AM
I don't agree, Got Gemini... I think (feel, have intuition) that this applying/separating attribute in aspects is not a very significant feature in astrology. A separating trine, for example, is still a trine, it is just getting weaker... It also becomes quite complicated with the so called negative aspects (i.e. what is better for synastry, an applying square or a separating square - with my logic a separating square would be better=nicer as it would be weaker). The word "separating" is negative, especially in synastry, and we are tempted to be lead by that, instead of looking at just the basic quality of the aspect itself. Of course, everything in astrology has "some" meaning, but I don't think this difference in aspects is important. My thoughts at the moment (could very well change by tomorrow... ;-)) ~ Lana IP: Logged |
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