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heart cakes
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posted October 03, 2008 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heart cakes     Edit/Delete Message
pride is embarrassing. haha.

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AcousticGod
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posted October 03, 2008 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Doesn't sound like a 5th house Moon thing to me, but my 5th house Moon is in Virgo, so the proud Leo may be slain by the humble Virgo.

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EighthMoon
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posted October 03, 2008 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message
Don't have my moon there, but my sun. Just popping in to say Heeeeyyyy -y Cakes!

Hope things are swell in your world!

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enchantress299
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posted October 03, 2008 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message
I'm a fifth house mooner! And since when has pride been embarrassing? Well, maybe sometimes...

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amowls
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posted October 03, 2008 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
I have a 5th house moon in Libra.

I hate showing people my creations.

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posted October 03, 2008 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heart cakes     Edit/Delete Message
hey 8th! you're so sweet and neat as usual! thanks. yeah things are a bit wobbly in my world, but that's saturn return for you!! how are you doing these days?

haha, yeah it was meant to sort of be a joke, cuz pride and embarrassemnt are sorta at opposite ends of the spectrum, but i do think i am embarrassed to be admitting to a recently developing pride!

can i ask you 5th/leo mooners something? do you want to sorta worship your partners, and at the same time want the same kinda thing from them? i always assumed it was my taurus moon and neptune-venus conjunction, but i have this feirce and total loyalty and to me, two lovers should be 100% into eachother, encourage and LOVE eachother to the fullest. and i have this thing where i don't EVER let myself feel attracted to another guy, or think about guys in that way when i'm with someone. if i find them attractive, i automatically shut it off and instead look to my mate and find their amazing qualities; focus totally on them. AND want that in return. is that a 5th moon thing? pride? too much to ask?? sigh..

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posted October 04, 2008 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemLover     Edit/Delete Message
Hi heart cakes!

Well, I experience that - but I'm a Taurus sun in the 5th house. It's like an almost ridiculous level of loyalty, and my Scorpio moon and Saturn in 7th all play a part there too. And like you pointed out, I expect it in return. When I step back and look at it, maybe it's a bit demanding. lol

I don't worship my partners though, but I do want to be worshipped myself.

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posted October 04, 2008 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heart cakes     Edit/Delete Message
hey gemlover, yeah, a ridiculous level of loyalty! i think a lot in my chart speaks to it. a fixed t-square involving, sun, mercury, mars, moon, uranus, jupiter. that's a LOT of fixed!! and my ascendant in sag at the midpoint of venus and neptune, 5 deg orb from each = a lot of idealism and enthusiasm in love, i think.

for me, i don't think i would be comfortable with one-sided worship, haha, but a mutual dedication and loyalty, valuing and singing the praises of the other with enthusiasm; helping eachother out of stale patterns, loving always, as default.. maybe some of that is my jupiter in leo which may or may not be in my 7th (depending on house system). sigh. i figure, why be with someone if you're not going to give it your all and really LIVE and make it amazing? honour your partner completely? i'm not talking about putting on blinders, but rather, working with challenges together, being honest and real, but be encouraging and see past the minor flaws, to the heart of the person, and focus THERE! ahh, maybe i am hopeless. i know i have a lot to give, but i want it to be mutual. i wonder if this is even possible?!?

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enchantress299
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posted October 04, 2008 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message
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do you want to sorta worship your partners, and at the same time want the same kinda thing from them?

No. I want them to worship ME. lol. But, that could have something to do with the fact that along with my 5th house Aries Moon, I also have my Mars in Leo and my Venus squares my Uranus. Makes me a bit more detached in relationships, yet desiring of the person's affection.

However...

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i have this thing where i don't EVER let myself feel attracted to another guy, or think about guys in that way when i'm with someone. if i find them attractive, i automatically shut it off and instead look to my mate and find their amazing qualities; focus totally on them.

When you put it this way, then yes, I do that. However, for me, it's not really a conscious thing. If I'm really attracted to and attached to a guy I simply have no desire to look around. None. It's like it goes away. That's not to say that I can't appreciate other guys for their looks or their smarts or whatever... It's just that I don't notice as much.

I may be detached with my Venus square Uranus, in that I don't always shower my loved one with affection 24/7 and I have my own interests and my own life, but I AM still insanely loyal, and I value the loyalty of my partner above all else.

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being honest and real, but be encouraging and see past the minor flaws, to the heart of the person, and focus THERE! ahh, maybe i am hopeless. i know i have a lot to give, but i want it to be mutual.

Now this I do agree with. It is important to see past minor flaws to the heart of the person, and I also want it to be mutual. I'm one of those girls who truly believes that a relationship can be equal, and that the best ones ARE equal. I can play the power games, but in all honesty, I really don't like doing it unless the other person can play right along with me and hold their own. Even then, I prefer to have a mellow relationship, where we are just being together having fun, giving love freely, and enjoying each others company over feeling like we have to manipulate and control the other to keep their attention. That's so stupid, and it comes from a fear based perspective. There is a difference between leading a relationship and controlling a relationship though... But again, I still think it's best when both people take turns at leading the other, instead of the man always leading the woman or vice versa.

But that's just me. Don't know if that's a 5th house moon thing or not.

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posted October 04, 2008 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemLover     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with your whole idea of how love relationships should be - it's so sad that sometimes they just aren't like that. Like enchantress299 said, anything that's based on control or manipulation is based on fear...

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posted October 05, 2008 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
I used to hate my Leo moon! Leo is supposed to be so dignified, but that need to be someone's number one felt so...pathetic.

When I'm falling for someone, he's as good as it gets to me. If I see him sharing what (from the outside) looks like an equally strong connection with someone else, I get heartbroken. The smallest things would make me question if I was as special to him as he was to me..."He smiled as he held the door open for her--maybe he likes her, too?" Really, it can be THAT pathetic.

I realized this about myself back in high school, and I hated it because it seemed so unreasonable and needy to me. My Sag sun is fine with being less possessive. It understands that different people can bring different types of joy to our life. My Sag sun is the "more the merrier" type and doesn't think bonding with multiple people necessarily reduces the bond felt with one person.

But my moon and my Sco ASC love only one, and would choose him over anyone. So if someone doesn't love back with a similar depth and possessiveness, I don't consider him my type. In the past I was very slow about revealing my feelings to someone until I sensed that he wanted only me, just like I wanted only him.

I don't mind my Leo possessiveness now. I've accepted that my feelings are strong, and that I'm sexually possessive. I can't casually date someone I'm very attracted to, knowing that he may be sharing that side of himself with another woman. Once I'm in a relationship though, I'm not crazy jealous. (I don't think so, anyway. ) I don't even mind flirting. As long as I'm assured that it's just me & him, and that he also would choose me over anyone, I use a very long leash. And like a long one in return. (lol. I mean, I like a long *leash* in return.)

About being sexually attracted to other men...that doesn't happen often for me. When it does happen though, what works best for me is to completely give myself over to that attraction. In thought only. Just inundate myself with sexual fantasies until I'm sick of the new guy. And it happens soon. With crushes, I'm so fickle. They pass quickly, as long as I don't deny them. The denial would just make the forbidden attraction even more exciting to me, so I make it become something easy and boring in my mind.

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posted October 07, 2008 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heart cakes     Edit/Delete Message
oh my gosh THANKS for the replies!! feeling a little less alone now! so i guess i just have to accept this is how i am. me and the new guy had a falling out (well, a few, recently) and i don't think it will really work out, though there was much there to work with. there is another fellow in another town that has been loving me a few months over the internet.. we were together 6 years ago for a small while and we get along great. he is a scorpio moon/3rd house.. his moon opposes mine. i wonder if bringing another FIXED into the mix is a good or a bad idea. he's very fond of loyalty and seems to be exceptionally good at making me feel special. i guess that is what i NEED (moon) after all!! thanks so much for the replies.. i'm savouring all the commisseration! but it is a little frustrating to be in less than ideal relationships without that intensity of loyalty that we seem to need.. sigh.

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posted October 07, 2008 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
Jane, what you said resonated so much with me! I have a 5th house Libra moon, and I used to think it was my Piscean Venus that made me super clingy when casually dating someone.

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posted October 07, 2008 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heart cakes     Edit/Delete Message
yeah i thought it was my pisces stuff too! and taurus moon. makes plenty o' sense though!!

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posted October 08, 2008 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message
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I have a 5th house Libra moon, and I used to think it was my Piscean Venus that made me super clingy when casually dating someone.

Are you sure it's the 5th house moon? I'm so NOT clingy it's not even funny... I'm very independent and self-assured. I'll tell the guy to take a hike if he even threatens me with leaving. I don't need emotional blackmail.

Part of having the 5th house moon, or so I thought, was that it makes you invest emotionally in romance, but also in FUN. The more fun you have the more emotionally attached you get. I tend to find that I have to have a fun relationship for me to even want to think about staying around for a guy. If there's no joy in the relationship, why bother? So... I guess what I'm saying is that being clingy is both not fun and an energy drainer FOR ME, so I don't bother being that way.

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posted October 08, 2008 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heart cakes     Edit/Delete Message
enchantress, yeah emotional blackmail is soooo annoying! i can't speak for amwols, but for me it's like what you said; i want to put my whole self into the relationship and have that returned. i guess that's not clinginess, but it is a LARGE *need*; one that requires a lot of both myself, and the other. some of that is comparable to piscean energy, in that it is all-encompassing in a sense..

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posted October 09, 2008 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for buena36     Edit/Delete Message
My Moon in Pisces in 5th makes me very sensitive person. I like also swimming (sport + water).

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posted October 09, 2008 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libralove09     Edit/Delete Message
i don't know how to work this out?

my 5th house is in sagittarius, or possibily scorpio (my unreliable birth time makes a difference between these two by the minutes :S)

my moon is aries :S

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posted October 09, 2008 07:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
Enchantress: Idk, my last relationship went so smoothly that I got super bored. Natally, I have Venus square Saturn and Uranus. So the more game-playing you do (though I absolutely hate it because it reduces me to a clingy mess--my Aqua sun wants to be independent) the more likely I am to stay. Or at least during this current Pluto transit (since it is squaring my Venus).

And like Heartcakes, I pour all of myself into relationships.

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posted October 09, 2008 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heart cakes     Edit/Delete Message
amowls, that's interesting! i tend to attract a lot of DRAMA in relationships, and notice those keep me around, too. it bugs me!! i have moon opposite saturn and saturn in the 8th (which apparently means i learn through crisis.. yikes). and there are two guys who have been in love with me forever and they are so stable and nice and i know it would be sooo easy, but the idea bores me!! oh how strange! and frustrating!

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posted October 14, 2008 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
amowls - Maybe you just feel clingy because so much else in your chart (your Aqua and Sag influence) makes you more independent? So you really feel that split, and in comparison to your everyday self, your love self seems clingy to you. I don't think wanting an exclusive relationship is clingy. If it is, then I'm super clingy. (And I've never been called clingy!)

I have Pisces on my 5th house cusp, and I think that did always make me expect a deep bond with guys I was attracted to. It's only when I felt that spiritual bond that I would even begin to acknowledge him as boyfriend material. We'd have that enchantment buzz going, and it would be obvious that it was just going to be me and him. My love life's been weird, I guess.

enchantress - I'm completely with you about fun. But that's what attracts me to everyone I'm close to, not just my romantic relationships. The main difference I see between my friendships and my love relationships is that I'm much more possessive with the latter. I have several friends who I consider best friends. And when growing up, I'd often have 2 friends who didn't know one another and I'd consider both my best friends. I could never do something like that with guys! I've always been a one man woman, and have expected the same commitment in return. Once sexual and romantic feelings get involved, my focus is narrowed to just one person and my proud Leo moon needs that level of commitment in return. I think that's something Leo/5th house moons have in common.

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