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Topic: Part of Marriage
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Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 03, 2008 08:21 PM
Hi does anyone know about the Part of marriage please? I was just messing around with it and with a guy l have this DW. HIS PART OF M IS CONJUNCT MY VENUS 1’ MY PART OF MARRIAGE IS CONJUNCT HIS VENUS 1’ What on earth does it mean??? Being on venus l guess it is significant or does this always happen like NN in Draco? lol
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Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 04, 2008 08:33 AM
also does anyone know about vertex conjunct each other's descendant by 2degrees?This means vertex is bang on descendant in composite chart... and chiron is bang on AC in composite chart too!!! IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted October 04, 2008 10:00 AM
The parts are like a question in a maths test. ASC + Venus - Saturn = something.What it should read is: ASC + Venus = absolutely nothing. Imagine if you just use the normal planets/houses and signs to do astrology. After a few years, it gets pretty boring writing about the same things over and over again, so astrologers invent a few things like parts and write a load of rubbish to make it more interesting, confusing and hopefully sell enough books. Yes Kick It, youre on a boring rant again factor: VERY HIGH! Yes, I am Kick It and this kind of astrology p1sses me off factor: SKY HIGH! IP: Logged |
Deliverance Knowflake Posts: 440 From: Bolloxville, Nutbush Registered: Mar 2005
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posted October 04, 2008 11:42 AM
Well mine doesn't work, Uranus went over my part of marriage several times & Im not wed.
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amowls Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted October 04, 2008 11:55 AM
I mean... maybe there's something to that Kick It.From what I understand about Parts though, is that they're more activated by transits than by synastry. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 04, 2008 12:05 PM
ROFL Kick it. But actually the arabic parts are not a new invention. They reach back to the pre Hellenistic period. So they are way older than many theories in astrology. However, I mainly see them as a fun-tool, and am not yet convinced they REALLY work. Honestly, for me, when all is said and done, it comes down to the personal planets and house-ruler-connections, that is what I am really convinced of. But that doesn`t mean we can`t toy with some other theories; we could actually find something that has VALIDITY or at least we could have some fun with it. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 04, 2008 12:15 PM
What interests me the most is the synchronicity of havingvenus/part of marriage DW in synastry AND in composite having vertex conjunct the descendant which means ". It is not unusual in a Composite chart to find the Vertex conjunct the Descendant within a degree with married or “destined” couples. The Vertex gives this feeling of inescapable fateful life altering events." IP: Logged |
blue moon Moderator Posts: 4700 From: U.K Registered: Dec 2007
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posted October 04, 2008 12:22 PM
The maths involved is fairly basic, but to avoid it there is a free online alternative: http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php Some stuff about it here: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfa/dreamhouse/attic/lots/about.html
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The Arabic Parts have an honourable history in Astrology stretching far back into antiquity, yet they have been largely lost to modern astrologers since the seventeenth century. The parts (also known as "Lots") enable an examination of the "inner" meaning of the horoscope, which goes beyond the "outer" evaluations stimulated by the arrangement of the planets, signs and houses. The doctrine of parts is based squarely on the numerical relationships between factors of the horoscope. There are a large number of these parts, the best known today perhaps being the Part of Fortune (Part of the Moon), which has survived because it is the strongest of the parts, due to its involvement of the Sun and Moon. The Part of Fortune is not a planet but is a sensitive, calculated point in the horoscope that shows in effect where the Moon would be if you were born at sunrise. Many other parts, however, are distinctly useful in predictive astrology and are regularly used in natal, horary and mundane figures. Astrologers can use our traditional Table to Calculate the Value of the Part of Fortune for use in chart delineation. (NOTE: parts are extracted according to the strength of the planets concerned, i.e., a nocturnal planet is stronger in a nocturnal figure than a diurnal and vice versa). As with the modern employment of planetary midpoints, the usage of parts should be secondary to an understanding of the major chart factors (planets, signs and house cusps). Use the part to clarify or illustrate any features that need to emphasized. One reason for the decline of parts in modern times may have been their seemingly limitless proliferation and substitution for clear planetary relationships. Nevertheless, experience shows that the directions and transits to the parts (especially Pars Fortunae) have a definite effect with regard to the matters ruled by the house occupied by the part. According to Bonatti, the significance for good or ill of the part should be judged by the conjunction of the part in question, or that of its planetary lord, with the planets, but he also allows the use of other aspects (such as opposition, square etc).
http://www.astrologycom.com/parts.html Secondary to major factors, I can run with that. In synastry as well as natal charts. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 04, 2008 12:29 PM
Lara,you`re right the synchronicity is there and pretty amazing. But I also understand Kick It; if we increase the possibilities of connections by applying astronomical orbs, minor aspects, asteroids, Draconic and Plutonic zodiac, midpoints, arabian parts and so much more, then we`ll end up predicting that every two people may be soulmates. There has to be a priority list. And to me it`s pretty simple. I you don`t have strong connections between personal planets, ruler of 7th, 1st, 5th, 4th, 8th house, then you can have as many dw`s with the arabian parts as possible, this will not make you soulmates. Now, Vertex conjunct DSC - dw, that is something I would keep my eye on. Vertex is an axis, as well as DSC is an axis. So, it is highly dependent on your birthtime and therefor individual. This one could be meaningful. But imo Vertex signifies fated encounters, yes, but without any guarantee of a longstanding marriage. There will be an encounter, it will have a very transforming effect, but Vertex-activation is like a moment in time. A life changing moment, transforming you, maybe giving your life a different direction, but it is still only a MOMENT. If that moment can lead to a long relationship, depends on other things imo. Like for example strong close Saturn aspects, and even more what about Sun, Moon, VEnus, Mars, ASC, IC, ruler of 1, 4, 5, 7 and 8? And even if that all is there, you still have to look at the progressed synastry. And after that, there is still such a thing as free will. (EVen though I suspect it`s smaller than most may want to believe. Also, who or what decides what you WANT? Who makes you direct your free will the way you do=)
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Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 04, 2008 12:52 PM
yes l totally understand and agree with what you are saying DD I did the rulers and all of them aspect each other, with the main aspects (major) being: his 1st opposing my 5 his 4th square my 4th his 4th square my 7th his 5th square 5th his 5th trine my 4th his 5th square my 1st his 7th trine my 4th his 7th trine my 1st his 7th conjunct my 8th his 8th trine my 1st his 8th conjunct my 8th main progressed are: his pr sun square my pr mars his pr moon trine my pr venus his pr moon trine my pr ASC his pr ASC conjunct my pr sun/venus/ASC his pr NN opposes my pr juno/karma his pr karma conjunct my pr Pluto In natals there are: AC conj AC sun sq sun sun opp mars venus conj pluto venus sq moon psyche opp eros my osiris trine his isis AC conj chiron DW IC conj lust/valentine MC trine NN/karma union/psyche DW lust/AC DW pluto/psyche DW my dr venus opposes his dr mars (4) my dr moon/venus/saturn conjunct his dr NN (1) my dr AC opposes his dr Pluto my dr karma/juno opposes his dr eros (1) my dr eros opposes his dr juno my dr amor trine his dr juno (3)/karma (2) my dr karma trine his dr moon (4)/amor (0) his n venus opposes my dr ASC his n ASC conjunct my dr NN his n Saturn conjunct my dr sun his n Pluto opposes my dr ASC his n NN conjunct my dr mars his n chiron conjunct my dr moon/venus his n juno opposes my dr chiron his n juno conjunct my dr vertex his n isis opposes my dr Pluto his n karma opposes my dr Pluto his n valentine conjunct my dr valentine his n valentine conjunct my dr amor His sol sun conjunct my n mars his sol moon conjunct my sol valentine his sol Saturn conjunct my n Pluto his sol vertex opposes my solstice ASC his sol juno conjunct my n moon/saturn/NN his sol psyche opposes my n eros his sol karma conjunct my n venus his sol Valentine conjunct my sol IC His sol ASC conjunct my sol chiron His sol ASC opposes my sol vertex His sol ASC opposes my sol eros His sol ASC conjunct my sol ASC His n venus conjunct my sol ASC His n venus conjunct my sol moon His n venus conjunct my sol Saturn His n venus conjunct my sol NN His n Saturn opposes my sol Pluto His n juno conjunct my sol moon His n juno conjunct my sol venus His n juno conjunct my sol Saturn His n juno conjunct my sol NN His n juno opposes my sol ASC As you can see from above, this is why l have looked at the parts of arabic Cos the synastry is FULL of juno/vertex/karma/NN etc etc ! The Pluto aspects are ok too... but l will only list his PL venus opposes my n Pluto his PL Saturn opposes my n venus his PL AC opposes my n Saturn/NN/osiris my PL AC opposes his Saturn his PL amor opposes my n amor/valentine Enough saturn, don't you think ... or have l gone totally crazy? lol (sorry to dump all this on you... just wanted to show why l moved onto arabic parts!) IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted October 04, 2008 01:16 PM
quote: But I also understand Kick It; if we increase the possibilities of connections by applying astronomical orbs, minor aspects, asteroids, Draconic and Plutonic zodiac, midpoints, arabian parts and so much more, then we`ll end up predicting that every two people may be soulmates.
Yes, well put DD and good write up. Of course plenty of this can be accurate, but most likely not. Like asteroids. I hate them! With a passion. If you interpret every one, it gets messy. But yet if you do things like search for your new partners name and it is prominent, therein lies an argument for synchronicity. I did not know the parts were so old, but people still write books about them today, rather than casting them off as worthless. Guess we all have to explore new and old ideas, even if they sound silly. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 04, 2008 01:54 PM
Kick it,a while ago I thought asteroids were rubbish, too. I was thinking that people would analyze ANTYTHING. "if it moves, interprete it" along those lines, and I thought it was a waste of time. But I have found some asteroids to be very interesting, among them the mentioned name asteroids, Eros and Juno. The others also make often sense, but I agree, if we use too many, it can get messy. And yet, now I find myself liking them with a passion as much as you probably hate them. EDIT: Regarding name asteroids: I found out that my own name asteroid falls into Taurus in my chart. And even though I have nothing else in Taurus, I have appeared a bit Taurean in my life, at least regarding stubbornness, being phlegmatic and unmoveable (and that with a stellium in Sagittarius!), patient, physically slow and eating much too much. I also noticed that very often my name falls into Pisces in the chart of the men I am interested in. It`s kinda strange. But it happened several times, and it was always around 8° - 11° Pisces; my chartruler Jupiter and Ceres (another asteroid, I know Or are you more lenient towards dwarf planets?) are on 8° and 11° Pisces. That`s astrology.
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Diandra23 Knowflake Posts: 2240 From: portugal Registered: Mar 2007
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posted October 04, 2008 03:17 PM
Kick itif you read all the posts by IQunk i bet you would be at least curious to check the asteroids out when i 1st got into astrology i bumped over LL and particularly to IQ´s posts (while he was still around) and i was pretty amazed by his fascinating knowledge,and in certain times his intuition was the one giving him the most profound answers. But i agree that we should focus 1st in planets,then see the asteroids that are proeminent in our natals and then check them in the other chart types. I completely agree with DD about name asteroids - i have always found them to be accurate both in transits as in sinastry. IP: Logged |
koiflower Knowflake Posts: 1258 From: Australia Registered: Jun 2008
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posted October 05, 2008 06:33 AM
I thought asteroids would be a pie-in-the-sky idea, that is, until there I came across some very weird connections!!!Here's just a couple: ***My asteroid NAME conjunct partner's MOON 4°40’ ***My partner's asteroid NAME conjunct my MOON 4°40’ ***My ex's asteroid name smack in the middle of my tight Venus/Uranus/Pluto stellium I definitely throw them in to spice up the chart
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Love Knowflake Posts: 1011 From: Canada Registered: Feb 2006
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posted October 05, 2008 07:49 AM
I have so much faith in name asteroids now, and yet I am still a tiny bit surprised when I see the evidence. My last relationship was with "M" and I am "C".My natal "M" conjunct his natal Saturn/IC His draconic "M" conjunct my natal Saturn/IC My draconic "M" conjunct his natal Sun (almost to the minute) His draconic "C" conjunct his natal Moon/Vertex and conjunct my draconic Antivertex His natal "C" conjunct my natal Isis and his draconic "C" conjunct his natal Isis Ok, I'll stop now. But the name asteroids are really quite compelling. Like DD, I have found that in my important relationships, my name asteroid is always found in one of two possible locations in the other's chart. IP: Logged |
Tigerlily Knowflake Posts: 387 From: somewhere far, far away Registered: Nov 2004
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posted October 05, 2008 09:30 AM
If you want to do a serious study, I think you should try polling actual married people for statistics.I'm married and my Part of Marriage is trine my husband's Pluto and Hera. And, very interestingly, on our wedding day transiting Mars was exactly conjunct my Part of Marriage.
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darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 05, 2008 10:01 AM
Tigerlily,you`re right. But if we do such a poll, what would we allow? Which aspects? Which orbs? asteroids, yes or no? Because if we allow just ANYTHING, the result to our study will be positive without a doubt. Of course, probably a certain pattern would emerge then, just like it worked for me when I did that little research on personal aspects and asteroids. I really didn`t expect Juno and Eros to have so many aspects; it was just a pattern that emerged. IP: Logged | |