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vuillard
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posted October 05, 2008 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vuillard     Edit/Delete Message
how do you recognize if a scorpio loves you?
i am together with this guy for 7 months now and am growing desperate. at the beginning he I felt like a princess when with him- the way he looked at me, the way he handeled me. now, he's more and more irritated by small things I do and corects me all the time when I speak ( we have two different nationalities and languages). sometimes he's so abrupt and cold I ask myself, how come he's still with me- is it, he loves me, or he's with me only not to be alone. or maybe as his ex-wife is now pregnant from another guy, he wants to show her, he can have another woman that her too?
Are you , scorpios, with somebody from any athor reason than love? Would you put up with an unhappy relationship or would you break up? and one more thing- when a scorpio is in love, is he in love 'forever' or only the first 3 monthsor so?

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posted October 05, 2008 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgOh     Edit/Delete Message
Scorps are known for their dignity, if they are not happy with you they will leave you straightforward and they won't even look back ... This guy may have an agenda though.

I think you should ask him all these questions and be direct, he will appreciate it more if you reason with him about how his actions are impacting you and the relation, dont be a door mat and show him that your self respect means more to you than him and this whole world, they appreciate that but watch your mouth lol think before you talk to a Scorpio because they will sting you so hard and shatter you in the process, I have said this to people over and over.

We just broke up me and my Scorpio girlfriend of 3 years, she wasn't happy about a few things and she just left and acted on her own without even telling me, I learnt from the experience that if they are brooding then there is something behind it.

We are best friends now though because there is a deep connection between Scorps and Virgos.

Talk to him.

Good Luck!

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Lucia23
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posted October 05, 2008 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
You can't tell whether someone loves you just by sun sign. A lot of what I read on astrology websites: "If a Scorpio wants you, you'll know," "If a Scorpio doesn't want you, he'll leave" is just BS and stereotype...the Scorps I know in real life are just as full of mixed messages, confusion and the inability to self-actualize as other signs.

That said, something is going on with your Scorpio...it might be about you, but it might be that other things in his life are bothering him and he's expressing that in your relationship. He will not want to be pushed, prodded or exposed in this situation...so let him know, calmly and clearly, how YOU feel about HIM. Let him know that you are there for him and want to be there for him, and then give him space.

My guess is that there's something on his mind that's taking up all of his emotional energy, so he doesn't have energy to give you right now. Also, you're at the point in most new relationships (7-10 months) where one or both partners starts to feel ambivalent. Space helps.

If he keeps making you feel not-loved or desperate, you'll have to move on. But for now, give him time and space, so that he sees he can trust you to emotionally take care of yourself and to be there for him without smothering him. Do some things to keep you busy, but that won't make him feel jealous--take a class, read piles of books on a topic that fascinates you, take up karate, volunteer at a homeless shelter.

Let him see how gloriously independent you are, but that you can still be there for him.

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mblover
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posted October 05, 2008 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Vuillard,

My sincere apologies, I didn't respond to you earlier. I am a scorpio with six planets in scorp. And, I have known scorps similar to him with moon in Sag (one of them is my cousin bro with Gem rising ). I am not looking at detailed astrological aspects to give you answers but rather focusing on my past experiences, my own self as a Scorpio, and other handful of scoprios.

Before we begin, first, you should know that self doubt and self criticism will come for you in any relationship due to your Virgo moon.. It will want to project energies such that you analyze all details that relate to your ego and self expresssions.

at the beginning he I felt like a princess when with him- the way he looked at me, the way he handeled me.

That is when he decided to go will full plutonian forces. When Scorp decides he wants someone, he will do everything in his power to focus and put all of his energies. And, this man has Moon in Sag, so its a wonderful chemistry of emotions when it comes to extrovert exploration together.

now, he's more and more irritated by small things I do and corects me all the time when I speak ( we have two different nationalities and languages).

This is indeed situation of deeper love, where scorpio feels insecure. He wants emotional securities from you. When he doesn't get emotional reassurance, he gets agitated. He will feel insecure.

Let me ask you, in your relationship, do you talk to him about your other male friends? do you tell him how you were happy about other things in life - instead of being happy with him? If he finds that your emotions are stored somewhere else and your happiness is somewhere else, then he will get agitated. He will become discriminating because then he would wonder how come you are still with him if your happiness is somewhere else.

This agitation is related to insecurities. If you can show that you are only HIS and continue to reassure, then situation will change. But that is not easy - considering your Sun is still Leo - it needs respect and protection of Ego. So, situation could seem like a dead lock until someone takes action to reassure each other.

sometimes he's so abrupt and cold I ask myself, how come he's still with me- is it, he loves me, or he's with me only not to be alone.

He still loves you but doesn't feel situation is in his control. Again, emotional reassurance, emotional dependence on him can correct the situation. But, remember it directly conflicts with the Leonine Ego.

or maybe as his ex-wife is now pregnant from another guy, he wants to show her, he can have another woman that her too?

I strongly believe this is not the case. The guy is way more deeper than this type of superficial jealousy.

Are you , scorpios, with somebody from any athor reason than love?

For me, never... its always love - unfortunetly - it is indeed LOVE and not some superficial friendship. Scorps don't know how to be detached in relationships.. which is one of the best and worst points for a Leo Woman + Scoprio Man relationships..

Would you put up with an unhappy relationship or would you break up?

Personally, I would put up as long as it takes, but I will get more critical as things go out of control.. But for this man with Sag moon, he might react with need for freedom.

and one more thing- when a scorpio is in love, is he in love 'forever' or only the first 3 monthsor so?

3 months of love is generally not an option unless scorp has a lot of conflicting Air or Fire influences.

In regards to 'forever', it's a fixed sign. Once Scorp starts to submit I LOVE YOU and starts to express his emotional side, it is not easy to go away from the situation. The only option is to get deeper and deeper.

Mostly the reasons Scorps leave are due to feelings that the other person doesn't love him or the other person is hurting his Ego.

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Please note Scorps have equally high Ego as Leos do, but Scorps being the water sign are willing to twist and turn until they understand the other person's soul deeply. Again, how every scorpio projects these inner core energies relate to their Asc Mars Merc Moon and other parts of the chart.

Personally, I don't think you should self criticize. I hope I could help.

Feel free to ask questions.

mblover

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Glaucus
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posted October 05, 2008 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know about Scorpios having high egos

I have Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio

I have a history of low self esteem. Fighting feelings of insecurity about my intelligence. I believe that this stems from my special education past when I was in special education for my Dyslexia and Dyspraxia,and I was getting called "retard" and other names. The good thing about it is that it keeps me humble,and I don't call people "stupid" nor condescend like I am intellectual snob. I am an advocate for Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and other neurodivergent conditions, raising awareness of them,and showing people that they have nothing to do with low intelligence. My insecurity also stems from my not fitting the traditional male stereotypes. I am a more feminine male,and that's obvious to some people. Because of that,I get mistaken for gay...especially when people hear me speak. I have a history of Dyspraxic(coordination disorder) speech problems that were treated with speech therapy,and that can explain why I talk "funny" The good thing about those things is that I believe in equality of the genders,and I believe in gay rights(that all gays should have all rights including marriage). First impressions aren't always accurate.The problem with society is people misjudge people by the basis of so-called first impressions. These could be based on beliefs in stereotypes. I also have a problem feeling insecure about looks too.


My Scorpio Planets are modified too,and so that might make me not fit the high ego type of Scorpio
My Sun in Scorpio quincunx Saturn
My Mercury in Scorpio contraparallel Saturn,parallel Neptune
My Venus in Scorpio contraparallel Saturn,parallel Neptune

My Moon in Pisces square Saturn-Neptune opposition is my greatest challenge of all,and I believe that is my biggest indicator for insecurity that has often led to anxiety,depression..but also compassion for others that have problems because of my being able to relate based on my past.

if anything,I have low ego...would love to boost up my ego some


but yeah...not all Scorpios have high ego.
Scorpio is a watersign too,and so very sensitive...but also passionate,intense which could mask the high sensitivity.....it's tricky if they have planets in Pisces like me or even in Cancer.


in regards to love, I have problems trusting..especially connected to past fears of rejection and my history of insecurity as well as my high sensitivity--especially with my feelings can be easily hurt. When I do trust,I can be very trusting to the point that I can easily give the benefit of the doubt. When I love, I love with everything that I have intensely,devotedly,completely...all or nothing. I want to be married,have children,and spend the rest of my life with that woman as well as want her to be both the first and last person I see when I am dying. When I get hurt, man...it's very painful to the point that it can be hard for me to let go and move on, but I can close off which is indicated by my very strong Saturn influence. There is a deep vulnerability that get me taken advantage of if I am with the wrong woman. That's why I prefer spiritually-oriented women. The first astrologer that gave me a consultation told me that I am best off with a spiritually-oriented type because of my sensitivities. The deep soul connection is very important thing for me to have in a relationship.

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posted October 05, 2008 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message
Glaucus, Please review some of the following. The list can go on and on..But, is it possible your Pisces moon along with Virgo rising makes you much more humble and a relaxed soul with very little vanity? Do you have Pisces moon on 7th?

http://mizian.com.ne.kr/englishwiz/library/names/zodiac/scorpio.htm

From Linda Goodman:

Next, listen to him speak. The tone can be velvety soft, husky or sharply cutting, the speech slow and measured or clipped and staccato, but what he says will never be self-effacing. Scorpio has total ego. He knows what he is and he knows what he is not, and nothing anyone else thinks will change this knowledge. Insults roll right off his back, and compliments don't move him a fraction of an inch. He needs bo one to tell him his vices or his virtues. At best, he'll calmly agree with your appraisal; at worst, he'll suspect your motives.


http://www.kidsfreesouls.com/sunsign.htm

... Scorpio has total self ego. Insults roll down their back and compliments don’t stir them. ..
http://www.cancermoon.org/horoscope-traits/traits-of-scorpio.php

Scorpio has ego. He knows himself, insults do not phase him. Outwardly, he’s calm, focused, serene, but inside, he’s boiling. It’s very difficult to read a Scorpio’s mood by the look on his face, because he has a natural ability to keep the reactions small.

http://www.astrologyedmonton.com/scorpio2007.htm

A fixed water sign of negative polarity ruled by Pluto. Key Phrase 'I Desire'

How often have you heard 'OH! You're a SCORPIO!!' And why do people have this reaction to the Scorpio Sun sign? Well, mainly because Scorpio has total ego. Scorpio knows what he is, and he knows what he is not, and it matters not what anyone else thinks. That is the way it is! The Sun in Scorpio has an intense desire to investigate the nature of all things.

http://www.eastrolog.com/zodiac-sign-compatibility/cancer-scorpio-astrology-compa tibility.php

Some warnings: Scorpio often has a very fragile ego. (S)He can go over many things, but (s)he never forgets! Scorpio is avengeful, so be careful: a Scorpio that felt betrayed won't sit around weeping! The problem is that Scorpio is fragile, vulnerable and very sensitive on the inside, although (s)he seems tough on the outside.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080313212214AAUsuUl

I'm a Scorpio man who is still in love with this Leo woman , and i have to tell you that our relationship is the typical Scorpio/Leo Ego war , we don't see each other anymore but i'm still in love with that ego freak and i'm pretty sure that she loves me too , i once hurt her ego (really bad ) but her payback was harder......and i'm afraid that if i talked to her again she would play the ego card again , because if that happened i won't accept anything but revenge and i don't wanna do that to her , so what do u think?
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=416138341

The Scorpio ego can also be the most resilient in the zodiac. You can neither insult nor compliment them to ill or great effect, as Scorpios know their strengths and weaknesses. You may not be able to insult them, but you can easily break their heart once it has been given. The are often called the loners of the zodiac.
http://piscestribe.tribe.net/thread/74963999-baed-4052-8a81-f829c31f1259

Especially since my blunt scorpio ego/comments I don't see as being anything but honest or funny he finds hurtful when I didnt even have the slightest intention of being mean.
http://www.elsaelsa.com/archives/2007/12/28/can-gemini-wom an-win-back-passionate-scorpio-man-astrology-based-advice/

I have long since given up on my Scorpio! His ego knew NO boundaries and I realized I cannot respect someone who can dish it out but goes scampering like a big baby when its his turn to take it.
http://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/messages.asp?p=2&id=446320

(Great thread on Leo ego vs. Scorp ego)


"Scorpion ego is stronger because they dont feel the hurt we do when our ego is rejected they dont need public opinion to boost their ego!"

Leo's are dramatic...it doesn't mean scorpios don't feel pain...far from it...most of what makes a scorpio is what you never see...
http://www.123newyear.com/birthday/scorpio/

He is never reticent because the Scorpio has complete ego. His cool composure and and hypnotic stare reveal that he is a Scorpio, and thats how you will recognize him.
http://www.ganeshaspeaks.com/horoscopes/scorpiocareerromance.jsp

Scorpio is capable of having a platonic love. Scorpio has a strong combative instinct and a lot of aggressiveness and ego

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080521104539AATBtlT

Scorpio's seem to have Ego's the size of a truck?
I'm a Pisces (another but very different water sign) so can 'meld' with Scorpio's pretty well but the size of their Ego's - my oh my ! - and all the ones I know seem the same !!! They're so controlling as well

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posted October 05, 2008 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"But, is it possible your Pisces moon along with Virgo rising makes you much more humble and a relaxed soul with very little vanity? Do you have Pisces moon on 7th?"

Yeah..that indicate that being humble but not relaxed.( have a history of anything but relaxed being rather high strung person(like I said,I have a history of anxiety issues) but also the aspects that I listed..both Mercury and Venus in aspect to Saturn,Neptune in declinations can indicate insecurities,inhibitedness,reserve,shyness,and gentleness..especially my t-square of Moon in Pisces in 6th square the opposition of Saturn in Gemini in 9th and Jupiter-Neptune in Sag in 3rd opposition(Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint) which also indicates insecurities,inhibited,shyness,reserve,gentleness...I would say that I definitely have a history of being too shy,and can be considered to have social anxiety(I have a tendency to shake,stutter and have cluttering,hesitant speech when I am nervous,especially when I am around people that I don't know,as well as that way when I talk in front of a lot of people..remember I had speech problems connected to my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia and I had intensive speech therapy in special education class for them....Interestingly,my mother told me that my father was that way too...he had Moon in Pisces with stationary Neptune in Virgo...time isn't know,and so I don't know anything else..he had Sun conj Mercury in Capricorn trine Jupiter-Saturn) ...my Pisces Moon is in 6th house not 7th unless you use wholesign house system which Vedic Astrologers,Classical Astrologers, and even Robert Hand now uses.

my whole chart is very Neptunian/Piscean overall..I think that personality showed a lot..especially in childhood(especially my special education years)...I care a lot about people with special needs...especially special needs children
Special education is a most humbling experience. My 3 years of early elementary school in special education definitely factor the most into why I treat others like I want to be treated. Serving,helping others is definitely my karmic mission in life.

I am very softspokened like my father,and many people have told me that I sound like Michael Jackson(you can easily see why some mistake me for being gay)


another thing
in the actual constellations(not talking about Sidereal Zodiac), my Sun is in the late part of the constellation of Virgo. October 31st is the last day that the Sun is in the constellation of Virgo. I was born on 29th. There is a possibility that early tropical Scorpios have Virgoan traits due to their Sun being in Virgo constellation.

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posted October 05, 2008 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jugular     Edit/Delete Message
Vuillard:

The difficulty I have with your question is that any individual man is going to be made up of so many different astrological components that no answer you're going to get will necessarily apply to him and how he handles emotions and relationships. Even if we had a true natal chart for this man you are describing, we could only guess as to his inclinations, but we could not say with certainty what he is going through and why that translates as his being critical of you. Furthermore, we do not know what YOU have done in the past few months with him. That is not to suggest you've done anything wrong, but rather you might have exhibited behaviors that, for arbitrary reasons, rub him the wrong way. And you'll never know it unless you ask - and sometimes if you ask, you might still not get the truth. Bottom line is, these questions of yours cannot be properly answered in this forum in a vacuum.

Now, I'm a Scorpio woman, but I certainly don't fit the mold in many respects, in my opinion. I married a man a few months after realizing that it would probably be a mistake. The reason why? He divorced and left his wife, his three kids and his fancy house at the age of 48 because of me. I realized a few months after the divorce settlement was reached that although I initially adored him, he had a number of traits that I found very, very difficult to tolerate. But I had been the primary cause of all this family breaking up, so out of pure guilt, I married him. So now, six years later, I am with him, and although I appreciate his good qualities and care about him, I do not love him, per se. Now, the books would have you believe that a Scorpio woman would not tolerate certain things in a marriage, or would always act in her own self-interest. But this does not apply to me in my situation. Is it my Cancer moon? Is it something else? Who knows? But I'm just illustrating a point to you.

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posted October 07, 2008 06:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vuillard     Edit/Delete Message
THANK YOU all of you for the very intelligent postings. Especially you, MBLOVER was of great help to me, as now everything my scorpio does/says, etc(or almost everything :-)) makes sense to me. And what you say about my virgo moon is exacrtly how I am ...alaways unsure anmd questioning what is wrong, am I wrong, what have I done wrong....it is indeed hard to overcome this virgo-trait, which can be quite depressing and hard to find peace in my head.
thank you again!

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posted October 08, 2008 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for savanna20     Edit/Delete Message
Oh wow! Sounds like what I went through myself. Im a scorpio, dated another scorpio. He became emotionally distant and ended up breaking up. At the same time, you know us scorpios need a lot of space...I would suggest pulling back and see what he does. The more you follow him, the more he'll back away...just him his space for now...don't call him, if he wants to spend time with you, tell him you have a friend visiting in town or something...make him long for you. If he doesn't then...you know something is up and he's not telling you and you're better off running...

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