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Love
Knowflake

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posted October 05, 2008 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
This is a response to IQ's other thread about the mathematical proof of astrology. I decided to start my own thread in order not to clutter IQ's thread with a slightly different perspective. I found that in looking at my family's astrology the typical Sun-Sun, Moon-Moon, Merc-Merc etc. aspects hardly apply. Most of what is present are minor aspects like the sesquiquadrate, semi-sextile and semi-square among others.

What I have found, however, is that just as in my personal relationships with men, Juno, asteroid Karma and the Nodes are the connecting factors. Using myself as well as my mother, father, brother, stepmother, maternal grandparents and paternal grandmother I found that there were a multitude of these aspects. I will primarily list conjunctions, most which are between 0 and 3 degrees orb with none over 5 degrees. I was not able to include Ascendant aspects for everyone since some birthtimes are vague or unknown.

JUNO:

My Juno conjunct Mom's Saturn
My Juno conjunct Mom's Juno
Bro's Juno conjunct Dad's Juno
Dad's Juno conjunct Mom's Jupiter
Stepmother's Juno conjunct Bro's Jupiter
Bro's Juno oppose Stepmother's Jupiter
My Juno oppose Bro's POF (double whammy)
Stepmother's Juno conjunct my IC
Dad's Juno conjunct Stepmother's Vertex
Father's Juno conjunct Bro's ASC
Mat.Grandmother's Juno conjunct Mom's Chiron
Dad's Juno conjunct Pat. Grandmother's Moon
Mom's Juno conjunct Stepmother's Pluto

ASTEROID KARMA:

My Karma (and Pluto) conjunct Mom's Pallas
Dad's Karma conjunct Mom's Pallas
Mom's Karma conjunct Mat. Grandma's Pallas
Stepmother's Karma conjunct Bro's Pallas
My Karma conjunct Bro's Sun
My ASC conjunct Bro's Karma
My Karma conjunct Dad's Karma
My Karma oppose Stepmother's Saturn
Stepmother's Karma conjunct my Saturn
Dad's Karma conjunct Bro's Sun and Pluto
Stepmother's Karma conjunct Bro's Jupiter
Dad's Karma conjunct Pat. Grandma's Jupiter
Mom's Karma conjunct Mat. Grandfather's Moon

NODES:

My NN conjunct Mom's Sun
My SN conjunct Stepmother's Sun
Dad's SN conjunct Stepmother's Moon
My NN conjunct Bro's Mars and Uranus
Dad's NN conjunct my Mars
Stepmother's SN conjunct Bro's Mars
Mom's SN conjunct Bro's Sun, Merc and Pluto
Dad's NN conjunct Mom's Pluto and ASC
Pat. Grandpa's NN conjunct Mom's Pluto
Bro's NN conjunct Dad's Neptune
Mat.Grandpa's NN conj. Mat.Grandma's Neptune
Mat.Grandma's NN conj. Pat.Grandpa's Venus
Stepmother's NN conjunct Bro's Chiron
Bro's SN conjunct Stepmother's Chiron


Now, what to make of this?? In my relationships with men, I have found that the same points and aspects are present. In synastry with the 4 most important men throughout my life I have found the following conjunctions:

Karma-Pallas
Karma-Moon
Karma-Saturn
Karma-Juno
Juno-Pallas
Juno-Neptune
Juno-Vertex
Node-Vertex
Node-Sun
Node-Moon
Node-Juno
Node-Karma
Node-Mars
Node-Chiron

One of my questions is what is the significance of Juno within the family structure? It's generally seen as either a marital or sexual point of reference so why is it so prolific within both my family *and* intimate relationships?? I tend to see the Pallas-Karma aspects as being indicative of family patterns both because Pallas rules patterns and because there is a maternal lineage of Pallas to Karma.

As for Karma and the Nodes, there is no explanation needed. I just thought it was interesting that there were so few ptolemaic planetary contacts (Sun-Sun, Moon-Moon, etc.) and yet such precise conjunctions with Juno, of all things.

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Lara
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posted October 05, 2008 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
OMG Love

How amazing!!!

Check out my good, bad, ugly thread - in my synastry these 3 are aspecting everything!

Great stuff!

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darkdreamer
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posted October 05, 2008 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
I haven`t researched Pallas, but can confirm t he Karma and especially the Juno-connections.

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Love
Knowflake

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posted October 05, 2008 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Lara and DD

See, I expected the Karma connections for some reason but since I have been stewing over the meaning of Juno for a couple years now, I thought I might see if I had somehow inherited that energy and was working it out within the context of my intimate relationships. It would seem that way.

Have either of you noticed these types of Juno conjunctions in just your intimate relationships, just your family or in both?

Curiouser and curiouser.

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darkdreamer
Knowflake

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posted October 05, 2008 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
I just checked the Juno-conjunctions / oppositions within 5° with my family (mum, dad, broD, broK, my aunt), and oh wow!

my Juno conjunct Dad`s DSC and opposes his Saturn
my Juno opposes Mum`s Venus and Mars
my Juno conjuncts broD Venus
my Juno conjuncts broK Sun
my Juno opposes aunt`s Pluto and Uranus


Dad`s Juno conjuncts Mum`s Saturn and opposes her Jupiter
DAd`s Juno conjuncts broK Mars
Dad`s Juno conjuncts aunt`s Venus
Dad`s Juno conjuncts my Pluto and MC

Mum`s Juno conjuncts broD MC and NEptune
Mum`s Juno conjuncts broK Moon, Jupiter and Uranus
Mum`s Juno conjuncts my Neptune and NN and oppöoses my Karma
Mum`s Juno conjuncts Dad`s IC and Chiron

broD Juno opposes broK Karma and Chiron
broD Juno conjuncts aunt`s SN and Neptune

broK Juno conjuncts aunt`s MC and opposes her Mars
broK Juno conjuncts my BML
broK Juno opposes bro D Pallas

aunt`s Juno opposes Mum`s Pallas
aunt`s Juno opposes broD Sun


I think there are quite some interactions between Juno and the angles, especially MC- IC like between

my Dad and me
my Mum and my Dad
my Mum and broD
my aunt and broK

(Actually the birthtime of my brother K is not completely sure, and if the first one is right, his MC would also fall onto my mum`s Juno)

I guess Juno shows just commitment and is not limited to intimate relationship, I`d think. Juno was also a mother goddess after all.

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Love
Knowflake

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posted October 05, 2008 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
Holy interactions!!! I'm still not totally convinced that Juno relates soley to commitment...in terms if my family, that makes alot of sense actually, but not quite within intimate relationships. At least for me. Maybe there's another way to see it that still hasn't clicked for me.

I checked the Juno DRACONICS, just to see:

My Juno oppose Mat. Grandma's Juno
My Juno oppose Bro's Juno
Bro's Juno conjunct Mat.Grandma's Juno
Stepmother's Juno conj. Pat.Grandma's Juno
My Juno conjunct Dad's Saturn
Dad's Juno conjunct my Lilith
My Juno conjunct Mat.Grandpa's Lilith
Mom's Juno oppose my Karma
Dad's Juno conjunct Pat. Grandma's Karma
My Juno conjunct Mom's DSC
My Juno conjunct Stepmother's DSC
My Juno oppose Mom's Pluto
Bro's Juno conjunct Mom's Pluto
Mat.Grandma's Juno conjunct Mom's Pluto
Bro's Juno conjunct Pat.Grandpa's Mercury
Dad's Juno conjunct Mat.Grandma's Jupiter
Bro's Juno conjunct Dad's POF
Dad's Juno conjunct Bro's POF
Mom's Juno conjunct Mat.Grandma's POF
Mat. Grandma's Juno conjunct Dad's POF

I actually think there are a couple more, but the point is made. I would love to know how common this many Juno aspects might be in family synastries.

DD, do you think that maybe we have all these Juno aspects in lieu of more common planetary ones? Could Juno be just one particular family (or life) theme being played out?


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darkdreamer
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posted October 05, 2008 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
What do you think Juno signifies, if it is not commitment?


And yes, of course, it could be that this just our personal family theme here.

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Love
Knowflake

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posted October 05, 2008 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
Well, my own personal astrologer, when I went to see her recently, addressed this for me since I have been quite frustrated with Juno these past two years. She believes that Juno is a very deep, all-consuming sort of energy when it comes to intimate relationships. In that depth, there is sexuality, but the way she described it (I forget her exact words) made me think of some Venus-Pluto and Node/Moon hybrid in terms of the energy.

She said that there is a certain binding energy about Juno and that it relates to power as well. Based on all the internet scouring I've done, the whole power thing seems to keep coming up. In terms of the mythology, Juno and Jupiter were engaged in a power struggle.

I've also heard it put this way: "Astrologically Juno describes the ways in which we face the issues of compatibility, receptivity to others, mutual sharing, trust, jealousy, possessiveness and power struggles."

So maybe the commitment is to work out some/all these issues with another based on the sign and house involved??

What think-eth you?

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Lara
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posted October 05, 2008 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
OMG

my mum 's juno is conjunct my moon/venus/saturn/NN
my dad's juno is opposing my moon/venus/saturn/NN
LOL

l'm like a slice of salami in a juno sandwich

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Lara
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posted October 05, 2008 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
ok this is interesiting

l just checked my parents and also their new spouses, famous couples and also family married couples and they ALL have juno/juno conjunct/trine/sextile/square/opposition

It's a marriage aspect.. must be.. ALL my boyfriends l have no juno/juno aspect and both my ex husbands l do!!
Same for friends and family.
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koiflower
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posted October 06, 2008 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message

I'm so looking forward to putting a bit of time aside to look into this!!

I know I mention Juno in terms of intimate relationships for me, but it really makes me think about the concept of 'commitment' being two souls attracted to each other for a deep intimate lesson in Love.

Juno has been going beyond boundaries into a relationship - entering another person's inner circle - that's what family is usually about too.

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Diandra23
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posted October 06, 2008 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diandra23     Edit/Delete Message
Love

i checked the juno asteroid like you did in my own family and partner,this is what have found:

cj/trine/opositions within 5 orb ( like DD)

Brotherīs Juno opose my VX
My Juno trine his ASC and cj Kiron

Momīs Juno Trine my Saturn/Pluto
Mom+s Juno wide cj my NN
My Juno opose her Ceres

My JUNO opose Dadīs Vx and widely,his Karma

My juno cj my Sisterīs Venus and trine her AC
Her juno cj my Moon

my sisterīs Ceres/Nn cj my Moon also

Me and my twin sister naturally have all asteroids cj each other.

How fast does Juno asteroid move BTW?

My Jīs Juno trine my Venus/cj my Neptune
My Juno opose his Pallas and cj karma

yes im starting to wonder also that Juno is not only about committment as romantic partners but also a part of the contract"made" by soul family members

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Iqhunk
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posted October 06, 2008 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Iqhunk     Edit/Delete Message
Great work, Love!
Different planets/asteroids work for different families.
I will work out the probabilities later for you and hopefully give a generic formula so that none of you need to do the complex math.

Juno, Karma and Valentine are very significant in my family too.

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