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Topic: Retrograde Planets and Karma
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missneptune Knowflake Posts: 241 From: Portland, OR, USA Registered: Feb 2006
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posted October 12, 2008 07:12 PM
I want to share with you all, this excellent book that I own, that really transformed my perspective of myself in relation to retrograde planets and karma. “Karmic Astrology: Retrogrades And Reincarnation” by, Martin Schulman: There is no question that retrograde planets create quite a different force field for an individual to deal with than planets in direct motion. It has been this general lack of understanding of this force field that has caused so many individuals to experience so many personal difficulties in this area.Note: I really believe this to be true when either a person has personal planets (Mercury, Venus, and Mars) retrograde or their outer retrograde planets are in the first house. The general tendency is for the individual to try to use his retrogrades in exactly the same manner as he is using his planets which are in direct motion. And when this doesn’t work he starts dividing himself into various unrelated states which can result in general misery. With planets in direct motion it is very easy for the individual to switch the emphasis of the planetary energy within him from moment to moment as his own total energy pattern rises and falls. However, when he tries to do this with his retrograde planets he runs into quite a different situation. Firstly, he is going through part of a threefold retrograde process. He is: 1. Jumping ahead of himself trying to live the future now 2. In the process of living out the future, experiencing the feelings that he has already been there. 3. Repeating in mind the first phase, so that he is actually reliving the looking forward to a future that has already occurred. Because of the threefold retrograde process, the individual experiences his life in different time sequences than those individuals with direct-motion planets. In fact, the parts of his life influenced by retrogrades are quite different than the parts of his life that he experiences through his own direct-motion planets. Depending upon which phase he is in, he is living at least part of his life in a different type of time warp. Here in this amazing transcendence of time through retrogrades if the major key to Karma. Retrogrades And Karma: Not only do retrogrades cause the individual to regress back to yesterday, last month and last year, but they also induce regression back to former lives whose memories carry strongly into present incarnation. These memories represent specific events or individuals that were meaningful enough in another life to still have a hold on the person now. Wherever a retrograde planet appears in the horoscope, the individual does not come forward in time sequence along with the rest of his chart. Instead, he keeps trying to resolve the earlier circumstances, which still appear to be unfinished. Memories are so vivid that he doesn’t even recognize them as memories. But rather they seem to him to the present. Nevertheless he is living in a dulled phase of another time zone whose irresistible magnetism seems even more important than his current life. Personally I have Saturn, Uranus, Neptune all retrograde, and in the first house, which is the house of personality. I feel in my past life I must have not been able to truly express my individuality, and now I must successfully do this, especially since the cusp of my first house is Sagittarius, which emphasizes independence and the seeking of the truth. Mercury RX: When Mercury appears retrograde the natural priority of soul over spirit over matter becomes inverted. The individual is most concerned with the form of his life as well as understanding the form of things around him. Then, through his perception of whether such form either fits or contradicts the ideas of form he established in himself through prior incarnations he reacts in spirit, Finally when form is satisfied, and spirit is activated he achieves contentment with form and allows himself to experience his soul. It is the trinity of soul, spirit, and matter that makes Mercury the most important planet in terms of how an individual perceives his total life experience. Retrograde Mercury personality: when Mercury appears retrograde in the horoscope, the individual’s conscious mind is capable of tapping ideas in the universal consciousness from prior times. Usually he is unaware that he is doing this, but what he is aware of is that he cannot easily make others understand all he knows. In part this is because the inversion of Mercury’s symbol in which the importance of matter takes precedence over spirit and soul. This causes the individual to become preoccupied with the form of his ideas. And this acts as a block to the essence of his knowledge. IP: Logged |
alvarella777 Knowflake Posts: 504 From: Europe Registered: Jun 2007
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posted October 12, 2008 07:47 PM
Thanks a lot for posting this. It's a very easy to understand and "logic" explanation! Great! Checked my chart again ... and found quite a few retro-planets natally - all in the most personal "bottom houses" of my chart, 1-4:In 1st house: - Neptune-rx (cj my ASC - ouch) - Valentine-rx (cj. my Moon - ouch) In 2nd house: - Eros-rx (ouch!!!) - Lust-rx / - Medea-rx In 3rd house: - Pallas-rx In 4th house: - Chiron-rx (ouch!) Must ponder on this ... IP: Logged |
Bruce Knowflake Posts: 9 From: Registered: Oct 2008
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posted October 12, 2008 07:58 PM
totally right about the retro mercury, i have a friend who was mercury in fourth retro in virgo and it is intercepted. ASC is gemini.He truly is a soul-seeker and he tells me he rarely can explain what is on his mind. IP: Logged |
Kick It Knowflake Posts: 1032 From: Leeds Registered: May 2008
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posted October 12, 2008 08:09 PM
quote: Retrograde Mercury personality: when Mercury appears retrograde in the horoscope, the individual’s conscious mind is capable of tapping ideas in the universal consciousness from prior times. Usually he is unaware that he is doing this, but what he is aware of is that he cannot easily make others understand all he knows. In part this is because the inversion of Mercury’s symbol in which the importance of matter takes precedence over spirit and soul. This causes the individual to become preoccupied with the form of his ideas. And this acts as a block to the essence of his knowledge.
You what you what you what? Bunch of bullocks thats what it is. Where does this person get it from? The research to actually be able to speak this flimsy load of tripe? What a load of nonsense. Of course, I cannot disprove it and he cannot prove, but what utter swear word it is. IP: Logged |
enchantress299 Knowflake Posts: 235 From: Registered: Dec 2007
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posted October 12, 2008 08:11 PM
quote: Wherever a retrograde planet appears in the horoscope, the individual does not come forward in time sequence along with the rest of his chart. Instead, he keeps trying to resolve the earlier circumstances, which still appear to be unfinished.
This makes sense to me. I have Venus Rx in the 9th (squaring Chiron in the 7th) and Neptune Rx in the 1st trining Venus Rx. For some reason in every area of my life I've always been able to work and bring myself due rewards, EXCEPT in love. It's the only area of my life where I feel like all my efforts are futile. In many ways, I think this feeling is attributed to the fact that in other lives I was largely ignored or made to feel inferior to others (therefore undeserving of love) because this is how I've always felt even though, in this life at least, I have absolutely no reason to. It got about ten times better once Venus went direct in my progressed chart a year or two ago. It was like I started to grasp relationship concepts a lot easier than I had before. It's still not totally easy, but its doable. ------------------ Virgo Sun/Aries Moon/Scorpio Rising IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 14953 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted October 12, 2008 08:27 PM
Thank you for the info.Does anyone have any insight into Mars Rx in the 8th house? IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Moderator Posts: 7410 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Nov 2004
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posted October 12, 2008 09:03 PM
missneptune ~I love Martin Schulman's series Thanks for posting the excerpt http://classiclegendbooks.com/ IP: Logged |
missneptune Knowflake Posts: 241 From: Portland, OR, USA Registered: Feb 2006
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posted October 12, 2008 10:45 PM
This book is from the late seventies, so yes it can sound like a bunch of BS, but there is some truth to this book. Mars RX, 8th house: Here the individual goes through a great deal of inner tension. He does not easily express the frustrations he feels as a result of the subtle way in which he is tuned to other people's desires. Often, he cannot separate the wants of others from his own, and this makes him hesitant at expressing the strong drive he experiences. Venus RX, 9th house: Here the individual experiences a great need for personal freedom. He does not allow others to hamper or impede his space. In some people this position manifests in a great love for a spiritual life. Neptune RX, 1st house: This individual constantly lives in a state of illusion. Spending much time in phase I of the retrograde process, he continually imagines himself in different identities as he keeps trying to displace a constant feeling of loneliness. Much of his life is on the unconscious level as he keep sifting through his formless nature trying to establish a concrete sense of belonging to himself. Like a chameleon, he is in a constant state of change, always readjusting himself to the environment he is in at the moment. IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Richmond, VA USA Registered: Dec 2007
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posted October 12, 2008 11:03 PM
I have Mercury retro in the 9th = tough time explaining myself, so I just don't bother anymore.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 13873 From: CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted October 12, 2008 11:20 PM
My only retrograde is Saturn in the 1st.IP: Logged |
missneptune Knowflake Posts: 241 From: Portland, OR, USA Registered: Feb 2006
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posted October 12, 2008 11:39 PM
Hey AcousticGod, I have retrograde Saturn in the 1st house as well! Saturn RX, 1st house: Here phase I of the retrograde process is highlighted as the individual tries to find an impressive and formidable identity structure that the world around him can vibrate to. He tries to impress his reality outward because he desires feedback when he will later experience the other two phases. Something in the personality structure is lacking, and as such there is a strong tendency to compensate. Usually there is a series of barriers between the individual and the people he would like to get close to. That last sentence really resonates with me... IP: Logged |
seveneieghtorange Knowflake Posts: 410 From: atlanta, georgia Registered: Jan 2005
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posted October 13, 2008 12:09 AM
All my outer plantes are retrograde Jupiter in the 8th, Staurn in the 5th, Uranus in the 6th and Pluto in the 5th. Is this not "as bad" as having inner planets that are retrograde?IP: Logged |
missneptune Knowflake Posts: 241 From: Portland, OR, USA Registered: Feb 2006
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posted October 13, 2008 12:32 AM
Hey seveneieghtorange, your retrogrades just make you a more dynamic person, I had to post you retrogrades because they are really interesting!Jupiter RX, in the 8th: With this placement the individual has a highly developed sense of other people's values. Sometimes he has a tendency to try to give when he should be receiving. He experiences a great deal of sexual restlessness. It is the quantity of sexual experiences that he desires, but his needs, though he may think them physical, are decidedly mental. Saturn RX, in the 5th: With this placement the individual feels a strong need to overcome obstacles that he perceives in his creative process. He keeps feeling that he should be doing more in life than he actually is, but he tends to delay much of his productive output until later in life. He feels the need to create something of lasting value in order to feel a sense of purpose. In some cases he will have to bear a heavy burden in terms of paying a karmic debt to a child. Still, he can do this, it will help him to establish the sense of purpose he is seeking. Uranus RX, in the 6th: Here the individual can express great innovations in his daily work routine. He can take the most mundane chores and discover uniquely interesting ways of dealing with them. At the same time, he is highly sensitive. This makes him particularly open to influences in the external environment, which in turn makes him feel the need to be active at all times as he can become internally restless. Pluto RX, in the 5th: The individual tries to express himself outwardly in order to prove himself that the world will one day accept him. He can be forceful and dynamic. He has a powerful sexual nature. His general outlook of life, along with his drive can be overbearing. Being to subjective in his general outlook on life he must learn to be more conscious of other people's feelings. Until he can do this, he can distort his perceptions since the world is really more impersonal than he would like to believe. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 14953 From: * Registered: Jun 2004
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posted October 13, 2008 12:45 AM
Thank you!IP: Logged |
missneptune Knowflake Posts: 241 From: Portland, OR, USA Registered: Feb 2006
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posted October 13, 2008 09:05 PM
Of course!IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 13873 From: CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted October 13, 2008 11:19 PM
quote: Usually there is a series of barriers between the individual and the people he would like to get close to. That last sentence really resonates with me...
I thought about that for a bit. Doesn't it seem like that would be the case more if Saturn was in the 7th since the 7th rules our relationships with others? Or do you think it's a matter of people encountering our Saturn in the 1st when they encounter our Ascendant mask? IP: Logged |
jane Knowflake Posts: 2000 From: Registered: Nov 2006
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posted October 13, 2008 11:41 PM
quote: I have Mercury retro in the 9th = tough time explaining myself, so I just don't bother anymore.
What do you mean? I don't have any retrograde planets. I do have Juno retrograde though, and I can see the way Schulman describes retrogrades applying to the way I've experienced Juno themes since I was a kid. It fits so well, that I will never, ever doubt the validity of asteroids. Well, not of Juno, at least. IP: Logged |
Diandra23 Knowflake Posts: 2240 From: portugal Registered: Mar 2007
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posted October 14, 2008 07:26 AM
Once i saw in a thread that having Venus Rx has to do with past life bas experiences,and so in this one,we must take the focus in that area of life in order to "recover" what we "lost"?I have Venus RX in the 11H Uranus RX in the 3rd IP: Logged |
buena36 Knowflake Posts: 485 From: Europe Registered: Jul 2008
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posted October 14, 2008 09:09 AM
Here is a bit more about retrograde planets. www.cco.net/~trufax/research/Natal%20Retrograde%20Planets.pdf www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/retrogradeplanets.htm - 34kIP: Logged |
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 3823 From: nevada Registered: Jun 2005
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posted October 14, 2008 09:28 AM
Martin Schulman is a wonderful writer. thanks for sharing missneptune
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missneptune Knowflake Posts: 241 From: Portland, OR, USA Registered: Feb 2006
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posted October 14, 2008 07:27 PM
AcousticGod, I suppose getting close to others for me personally may have to do with Saturn RX opposing Venus, which would give it a similarity to Saturn in the 7th house. It will take my entire life to really understand RX planets, however Uranus, and Neptune are currently RX, and when natal retrograde planets become retrograde again, they trigger the natal RX planets more as opposed to someone with direct motion planets.------------------ Sun - Leo Moon - Pisces Ascendant - Sagittarius IP: Logged |