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yellowmoon
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posted October 14, 2008 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yellowmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, everybody!
I'm new here and hope someone can help me with this aspect in synastry. I really tried to find something on the web but there's nothing specific. Maybe someone has experience with it? What does it mean , what kind of energy can it cause within the relationship?

I'm asking this , beacuse in synastry with my ( new ) love , I have his Venus biquintile my Pluto and his Venus biquntile my Neptune ( among others ).

So, hope you can help me about this

P.S. Please, don't mind my funny english . lol

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savanna20
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posted October 14, 2008 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for savanna20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to know too. I had that with my ex and it was a very strong sexual attachment.

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posted October 14, 2008 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yellowmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the sexual attachment between us is great but I don't know is it due to this specific aspect ( we have also Pluto/ Mars aspect and Venus / Pluto, etc )

it really does confuse me beacuse I know that quintile ( or biquintile ) in a natal chart is about creativity but I don't know how to apply this in a synastry.

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posted October 15, 2008 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yellowmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, guys, does anybody know? I'd really like to figure it out

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posted October 15, 2008 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry I don't know. Someone will I bet you!
Just wanted to say hello. Hello!

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posted October 15, 2008 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Quintile is the creative, willing risk taking, playful and joyful dimension of the relationship.

If you find these there is joy to be found in the relationship. It might be through children, through work or just simply enjoyment of each other and a common involvement with arts, music etc. These people are prepared to take a few chances, and will tend to lay it all on the line to each other so there is indwelling honesty. This is where the love affair can continue into old age. It is a solar kind of energy and if it's between personal planets, they each shine and bask in each other's glow. It occurs in partnerships in artistic fields. Individually they may be mediocre but together they're dynamite. They bounce off each other, feed each other, inspire and resonate off each other. The vibration is wonderful. It brings the facet of playfulness to the relationship, a childlike quality that means there is an area, which is fun. So, of the minor aspects you can't do better than a quintile. It's the Best Friend energy that can keep a relationship alive and vital. But it goes a little further because it empowers the individuals to be creative and fruitful within the relationship.

In the natal chart

Quintile (72º)
When planets are Quintile, one creatively relates externally with another. This aspect can be an indication of uncommon latent creative energy and talent. If active, (and effort is required) natives are usually trend-setters and need an audience. The energy here is specialized and purposely striving toward power. Quintile energy can be romantic, playful and demonstrative. The quintile family of aspects can indicate science, math, engineering or musical ability. There appears to be a need to make things happen. Quintiles bring a certain dignity, clarity, pride and unusual sexual energy.

Biquintile (144º)
As it partakes of the ‘5’ series, one creatively relates internally with another, giving inner peace, but again at the intellectual level of Mercury. (By transit, it appears related to loss in some cases - perhaps Mercury as the 'trickster'). As it partakes of the quintile, much of the quintiles qualities are present, but requires more effort to externalise the talents indicated. It may manifest as an intuitive 'knowing' indicating that the person is more in touch with those areas of life.

home.iprimus.com.au/gjdemont...icles.htm

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posted October 16, 2008 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yellowmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW, thanx Peri

@ wheelsofcheese

HI!

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astronovice
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posted November 18, 2008 02:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Peri.

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Bucketrider
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The biquintile will not be active unless it is connected to a quintile. It is a harmonic aspect, it functions as part of a series. It is not a prime aspect in its own right and will have no effect on its own.
It can be triggered by transits which complete the quintile.

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posted November 18, 2008 04:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My significant other and I have several of these quintile and bi-quintile aspects. We write and play music together, we craft together and he makes me things, I paint he builds stuff, it is a big part of our lives. Whether our music ever goes anywhere or not or our art, I don't know, but we both create alone and together and it is a big part of our lives. We have 8 or nine pretty exact quintile and bi-quintiles. In my individual chart I also have several. There really isn't much information on these out there.

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posted November 18, 2008 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"The biquintile will not be active unless it is connected to a quintile. It is a harmonic aspect, it functions as part of a series. It is not a prime aspect in its own right and will have no effect on its own.
It can be triggered by transits which complete the quintile. "


I disagree with you. My Mercury biquintile Eris with 6 minutes of arc definitely works in regards to divergent thinking connected to creativity. It doesn't need aspects for the biquintile to work. I believe that goes for all the other harmonic aspects.

also....quincunx is not a prime aspect in its own right either. a quincunx is 5/12(waxing),and 7/12 waning of a circle. semisextile is a prime aspect of 1/12(waxing) and 9/12(waning)

a quincunx can be significant without it being part of a yod.

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posted November 18, 2008 05:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it would be nice if there was more information on that aspect and the yod formed by quintiles and semi. my chart and my synastry chart is full of them and there really is very little written regarding those aspects.

I seriously wonder with so many on the mc of synastry if our music or art will be successful in it's own right someday. He wants it, I couldn't care so much, but people push me a lot to play and sing, for me it is fun, for him it matters.

uranus /jupiter
venus / neptune
venus / moon
venus / mc
venus / merc
jupiter /moon
jupiter /mc
uranus / saturn
uranus / uranus
neptune moon
neptune uranus
pluto jupiter

that is really a lot of quintile and biquintiles it has to mean something I would think.

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posted November 18, 2008 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow

we have a couple of ones too

venus/jupiter
nn/pluto
nn/amor
neptune/amor
pluto/siva

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posted November 18, 2008 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a yod is planetary geometrical configuration of two objects in sextile that are quincunx to another.
with the lines drawn in,it looks like an isoceles triangle

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posted November 18, 2008 05:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
three planets that connect with quintile and bi quintile form a yod.

venus quintile neptune
venus quintile jupiter
jupiter semi quintile neptune = yod

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posted November 18, 2008 05:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it gets confusing, but that is what I was told. Could be wrong I suppose.

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posted November 18, 2008 05:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus -

I can definitely find a much more basic reason for your creativity and divergent thinking than a biquintile to eris, my friend.

The quincunx does not exist. It is a hoax of an aspect. Its definition as an unseen energy which creates tension and needs integration and mental transformation does exist. It is the contra-parallel which is a major energy. It is confused with the quincunx bec most classic astrologers did not interpret the declinations. Thats also why the quincunx is seen as idiosyncratic. Sometimes present and sometimes not. When it occurs with a contra-parallel it is present bec the energy is the contra-parallel, not the quincunx.

There is no reason a 5/12 pattern should be significant when the aspects all follow clear harmonic rules most fundamentally with the numbers 1-6, after which it gets hazy and more personal (septile, semisquare, novile, etc). The aspects go from the broadest and most obvious and materially felt - the conjunction - to the more subtle, spiritual and internally felt - the novile. There is a pattern here. Its not random. The quincunx does not fit that scheme.

The quincunx is only noticable bec it is a potential square and trine when forming a triangle. It is a silent, potential aspect which can be very transformative and requires 3 points - in which case it brings the 3 planets together. It triangulates. It is not an energy on its own.

I say this based on clear theory, rigorous research and experience.

There is alot in astrology that needs to be revised and thrown out. As it currently exists, it is laughable and rightly seen as pseudoscience and absurdly unsystematic.

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posted November 18, 2008 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have a yod of

moon/venus
quincunx
pluto/uranus
sextile
neptune

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posted November 19, 2008 08:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so... bucket rider - are you saying you don't think the quintiles and bi-quintiles even matter?

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posted November 19, 2008 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the 2 planets that are quintile each other and in quintile to a 3rd planet is called a golden yod. that's a 5th harmonic syndrome

the 2 planets that are sextile each other and in quincunx to a 3rd planet is called a yod. that's a 12th harmonic syndrome

I wouldn't use the biquintile,quintile in in synastry

but they can be used in natal

It was the astronomer/astrologer Johannes Kepler who devised the quintile and biquintile


There are many aspects that astrologers that use that aren't used in regular astrology,but they find them to be valid. Noel Tyl swears by the quindecile,but I don't really think that it's all that important the way he makes it out to be.

Even Dr. Theodor Landscheidt devised golden section aspects that seem to work
also I discovered golden section aspect triangles and that they have corresponding midpoint pictures. I don't know what harmonic it is though.
Golden Aspects

21.25°, 42.49°, 47.51°, 68.75°, 111.25°, 132.49°, 137.51° and 158.75°,34.38°, 55.62°, 124.38° and 145.62°. http://bourabai.narod.ru/landscheidt/consider.htm

the orbs should only be 1 degree


also in his book, COSMIC CYBERNETICS
he

a detailed statistical evaluation of the available data on solar activity,the results of which were checked on by means of forecasts,draws the following picture of the affective planetary distances corresponding to the basic or harmonic vibrations of the gravitatational waves.

360
180
90
45
22'30
11'15
5'37'30
2'48'45
1'44'22.5
0'42'11.25
0'21'05.625
0'10'32.8125

I do believe that my Mercury biquintile Eris is my divergent,creative thought processes.Especially with it be a 6 minute of arc,a very close orbed aspect. It has to be significant.

I do have a Mercury 47'30 Pluto - '00
that's a golden section aspect. That might have to do with my divergent processes too

I also have Mercury undecile Uranus which is part of a 11th harmonic syndrome with Mars,Saturn,and the Ascendant.

Many Uranian astrologers use only the semioctile and its multiple aspects, including the sesquioctile and 112.5° and 157.5° aspects, claiming that they are not "minor"


There are so many ways to do Astrology.

I believe that Modern Western Astrology needs to be updated and incorporate the other kuiper belt objects including especially the large ones like Eris,Haumea,Makemake,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,Ixion as well as the large Oort cloud object,Sedna. I also believe that Ceres should be given more weight than it's been getting. If Pluto is getting much weight,then I think Ceres should too.


Since I read about the Kuiper belt and got interested in them in Astrology back in 2000,I had my doubts about Pluto being planet but just being one of many objects in the Kuiper belt. It doesn't orbit like any of the other planets. It's highly elliptical and travels well off the ecliptic unlike the other planets. If you look at conjunctions,there are no true conjunctions not when Pluto is well off the ecliptic. that's same with scattered disk object,Eris.


but yeah....I prefer a 21st century kind of Astrology. I am not satisfied with regular Astrology. I focus mainly on planetary geometry. I focus very little on signs and houses. I am even finding midpoint-midpoint conjunctions to be interesting being referred to as isosceles trapezoids.

I am leaning more towards Cosmobiology. It seems that Theodor Landscheidt was more into Cosmobiology but didn't believe in regular astrology. That was the same with Kepler who referred to as signs and houses as Arabic sorcery.

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wow! Thats very interesting, but I am not the mathematician at all, so I would have no clue how to do the math. I would be interested to hear what IQ's opinion is on this. If quintiles and bi-quintiles do not matter why do they even put them in automatically on your simplified chart?

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posted November 21, 2008 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yellowmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I'm curious about that , too.

I've found this explanation about biquintile in synastry ( Venus biquintile Pluto):


"Quintiles are based on dividing the circle by five. The number five is associated with ingenuity, talent and thinking out of the box. So planets connected by Quintile or Bi-Quintile tend to combine in very original and intelligent ways. Remember being told "You can do it the hard way, or the smart way." ? Quintiles push us to use our brains take the smart approch to solving problems and challanges. The high end of this aspect is motivating, inspiring and innovative. The low end is a 'know it all' that only considers his/her own opinion important and can't be told anything.

When Pluto combines with Venus, the love nature is associated with very strong emotional issues. Feelings can become so deep that these types of relationships change the way you look at the world and especially, the way you connect and bond to other people. Venus seeks balance and beauty. Pluto seeks to find inner power and self understanding. When they combine, issues of being included and having a positive self image can reach very deep levels where insights about old attachments and idealism that no longer works come to the surface. Power struggles or jealousy could result from this as well. Pluto wants to recreate your image into one that is more powerful and passionate and more aligned with your deep inner nature. This could lead to some very ardent love affairs.

The quintile is a minor aspect and is less powerful and subtle than the traditonal aspects such as the square or trine. I see it as an opportunity for you to let go of some old behavior and take a chance to feel more free, more aligned with your heart and less bonded to the image of yourself that was communicated to you at an earlier age."

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posted June 29, 2010 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunsetgirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about a guy with his sun, ascendant, mercury, neptune and uranus all closely biquintiling my sun (and my vertex and descendant, which are conjunct my sun)? Is this nothing?

His pluto is also biquintile my venus.

His mars is right on my ascendant.

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posted January 01, 2014 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ltownboogie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump... Anyone else have any experience/opinions on this topic?

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posted January 02, 2014 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good bump!

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