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bluegreyeyes
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posted October 21, 2008 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message
Scorpio man and I had a relationship over 3 years ago, at the end of college.
We were platonic friends for 6 months, before I found out he had feelings for me.
We ended up getting together and had a brief affair...nothing serious...
for a masculine guy, he was so sensitive, shared a lot of his secrets with me.
Meanwhile, being an aqua with trust issues, I put up a wall and never showed my feelings.

He had a tough breakup a year earlier, his GF was cheating on him so his friends were really supportive of us being together.
Ironically, a few months later he ended up hooking up with his ex GF while we were together.
I played it off - said -- "I don't care, not a big deal... totally fine, don't worry about it...we weren't exclusive"
In reality, I was devastated, because we were friends... it was just so disloyal...ya know?

He avoided me for the rest of the year... then, his friends basically ditched him b/c of the whole thing.
Clearly my friends were angry b/c I was upset... but I pretended things were fine, never yelled at him or was b*tchy.
Trying to be the bigger person, I wrote him a letter after graduation and wished him well in the future.

He has been calling me and texting me ever since. I haven't seen him in over 3 years
but he STILL calls me and texts me on a regular basis: 2-3x a month.
I don't pickup his calls...he never leaves voicemails...our texts are usually: 'how are you?' "good, you?" 'good'
When he's in NY, he'll has asked to see me... weirdly enough, the past 3-4x he is in NY, I'm somewhere else.

What do you think this means... why is he still contacting me?
We weren't serious, we never said I love you... never were "official"...
Is it that he still feels guilty? Is this normal for a Scorpio man...
To be honest, yeah, I sort of still have feelings for him, but I just wanna get over it.
How do I nicely tell him to stop contacting me...
He'll be visiting the city in a few weeks, on his birthday, and a part of me wants to see him...
The rational part of me thinks: no way - don't open that bag of worms...
Anyone have advice on how to deal with a Scorpio man?

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MyVirgoMask
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posted October 21, 2008 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Christina, maybe it's because you put a wall up from the beginning with your emotions and he could sense that?
It just seems to me like you had much deeper feelings for him and never allowed yourself to express them fully or allowed yourself to even really feel them...I can't imagine that he didn't pick up on that, and maybe got the impression that since you weren't emotionally investing in him, that you wouldn't care if he hooked up with his ex. By no means am I justifying his behavior, I'm just saying that if there was intimacy between you it wasn't expressed and it had an impact.
You say that your feelings were hurt about him hooking up with his ex because of feelings of loyalty in friendship, but is that the only reason? I think a Scorpio man is pretty attuned to when a woman isn't fully emotionally there, and he needs to know that she is.

If there are no feelings on your end anymore, then no worries, but it seems like it would be better to actually talk with him and get closure about this, such as telling him how hurt you were, etc... I mean, self-expression of the emotion should be easier if there are less of them now, right? I would think so. Not to drag it out, but it feels like he's maybe looking to make a connection again...it's probably partially guilt, partially wanting to re-connect...I think it's best to talk to each other and be emotionally authentic and honest for the sake of clearing away the rubble from the past.

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mblover
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posted October 21, 2008 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message
Do you know his DOB? Even if you don't know time, could you post the chart?

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Lucia23
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posted October 21, 2008 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I think it might be about your initial friendship. He ignored/avoided you, but then you sent him a letter wishing him well. The letter made him think that YOU really wanted to be friends, so he's trying to do that.

People do mature after college--if you're still interested in him romantically, you might consider seeing him. But to me, the situation sounds really weird (you won't pick up his calls? you don't want to talk to him?), and like you should drop it.

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bluegreyeyes
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posted October 21, 2008 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message
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bluegreyeyes
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posted October 21, 2008 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message
Below is my chart... does anyone see any reason why we should have a connection after all this time?

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bluegreyeyes
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posted October 21, 2008 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message
@ MyVirgoMask:

Yes, I agree with what your comments.

I definitely think he could sense that I had put up a barrier... additionally, I think he is the type to need a certain amount of reassurance and security in relationships. I am the first to admit that I have trouble when it comes to being vulnerable or emotional in casual relationships. That's definitely my fault, and I don't care about how it ended... but I just wonder WHY he's so insistent about contacting me. I don't initiate the contact, I barely respond to it... I don't want to encourage him, but yet, he doesn't get the point. I chalk it up to him being drunk and just "drunk dialing" but, he lives in another city and we haven't seen in eachother in so long... you'd think he'd move on.... I dunno...

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posted October 21, 2008 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plutonian Persona     Edit/Delete Message
I definitely think he could sense that I had put up a barrier... additionally, I think he is the type to need a certain amount of reassurance and security in relationships.

Well you hit the nail on the head with this one. Having 3 Scorpio planets plus a Cancer Moon will definitely lead to needing a great deal of reassurance and security in relationships. All deeply water-influenced people have this want and need in a relationship.

Also, I think that because he has those Scorp planets, his fixed energy is not willing to let you go quite yet even if it seems that he has "moved on" with other women.

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mblover
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posted October 22, 2008 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mblover     Edit/Delete Message
I am a Scorp with Cancer ASC and also know so many Scorps with Cancer Moon. We have some here on LL too. Jugular - jump in if you can.

1. Cancer Moon is Clingy. Think Scorpion intensity along with Cancer clinginess.
2. His Sun and Moon are both in Water. Yours in Air.
3. Your Saturn in Scorpio can be dangerous here because Saturn would restrict you and give you hard time in expressing Scorp energies.
(E.g. everytime you try to take a revenge or try to even out a situation the Scorpio way, you will be disappointed because you didn't do something right. Yeah. That is what this PIG does on you. Always makes you feel you haven't worked hard enough in expressing Scorpionic energies.)
4. He has little Fire in the chart.. Honest fights in relationship are relatively less from him and Manipulative fights are at a very high intensity.. (I was hoping for Leo, Libra or Aries Moon)
5. If for any reason you detach slightly, it will involve tremendous pressure (so ask your Aqua Sun and Gem Moon one more time) in a relationship.
6. Once you are into a relationship with this Scorpio and it seems like an explosive sexual chemistry that can build up. After that, there is no easy route of escaping or easy route of freedom.
7. Scorpio/Cancer men have very good ability to help Air/Earth (Thinking signs) release the deepest emotional feelings. But, once you "open that bag of worms", it's not easy to close.

And, then begins, the Roller Coaster Ride. Sorry, didn't mean to scare you. But, you already know all of above.

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Lucia23
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posted October 22, 2008 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Sending someone a letter, after they cheated on you and then "avoided" you afterwards, sends them the message that you care about them and are thinking about them and want them in your life.

Spending your time posting about someone on an astrology website also says that YOU, to a certain extent, are obsessed with that person and consumed by thinking about them.

It seems to me that you're hoping his calls and texts are a sign that he still very into you, and you'd like reassurance about that here? I think you need to closely, honestly examine your own motivations.

If you are NOT secretly obsessed with him and desperate for validation that he has lingering feelings for you, and you actually no longer want to be in touch with him, then it actually doesn't matter whether or not he's madly in love with you, just feeling guilty, or one of those guys who calls everyone he knows when drunk--your response can be the same: gently stop texting him back.

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sunshine_lion
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posted October 22, 2008 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine_lion     Edit/Delete Message
lucia23 - ouch..that even hurt me.

man, bottle that medicine up, I want to give a dose to one of my friends.

it is too easy not to take the part of everything that belongs to us....

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Jugular
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posted October 22, 2008 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jugular     Edit/Delete Message
bluegrey: I am now at work and can't write much...but will throw in my two cents later. Do you know his birth time or are you guessing. Did he strike you as an Aqua rising? Because if yes, he's got my sun, rising AND moon.

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Jugular
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posted October 22, 2008 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jugular     Edit/Delete Message
bluegrey: I am now at work and can't write much...but will throw in my two cents later. Do you know his birth time or are you guessing. Did he strike you as an Aqua rising? Because if yes, he's got my sun, rising AND moon.

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bluegreyeyes
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posted October 22, 2008 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message

@Lucia -- Obsessed and desperate? Whoa.

I sent the letter mainly b/c I took a lot of blame for why he strayed... I acted completely aloof and casual. I didn't want things to be left with him as a villain, and me a victim...which is how it played out when all of our friends turned on him. It was intended to bring closure... along the lines of "hey, we both made mistakes, it didn't work out, i don't hate you, good luck in the future".

Sure, for a while there was a little twinge of unrequited love there... it ended abruptly and we never addressed anything afterwards, so I definitely think about him but realistically, I'm more curious than obsessed.

I don't want him, a person I considered a good friend, to feel like he has to continue to make things right just because of a mistake he made... 3 years later he's still calling? I hate feeling like a burden or a cross he has to bear... we weren't in love, there's no way after 3 years he's still pining after me...I'm not that conceited.

I guess a lot of it has to do with the fact that - things didn't work out, and they're never going to develop any further, so I would like the relationship to end with dignity rather than dragging it out.

Also - he's supposed to visit in November and I'm just thinking - is it a bad idea to see him, will it encourage him, or would it maybe help things sorta settle and end?

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bluegreyeyes
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posted October 22, 2008 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message
@ Jugular --

I don't know his birth time, I just used noon.

He actually does seem like an aqua rising, actually.

He is one of those people that is extremely popular, tons of friends... but does so while also appearing standoffish, almost awkwardly aloof. He's also very smart and dedicated to his career... not in a superficial way or money driven way...but rather he wants to see improvement. He also has a way of putting his foot in his mouth, or saying too much, that it comes off kinda rude...

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posted October 22, 2008 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xena     Edit/Delete Message
Listen, I just broke up with a Scorpio with Cancer Moon, or rather, he broke up with me - and then told me to "call him". I let him know there wouldn't be any game playing of that sort and that I wouldn't listen to that cr*p. I was slightly tempted to contact him but he was a particularly "bad" Scorpio and after that episode I felt it was time to move on and not look back, because I don't want to be around people that intend to be hurtful, no matter how serious or un-serious the romance is. And that is exactly what I've done. Perhaps I can do that more easily now I'm older, I do recall being less able to let go of things/people in my 20s.

In a way it sounds like you are playing games with each other, (and I wouldn't blame you yourself for doing so) but if you REALLY, REALLY don't want this guy in your life, then don't lead him on in any way or tease, because male/female friendships often need to be very carefully balanced to avoid sexual/romantic feelings springing up when you least want them to.

I think having a talk is a good idea. Be completely honest with this guy and with yourself.

Love,

Xena (Aries/Pisces/Virgo)

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posted October 23, 2008 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jugular     Edit/Delete Message
You know what, Cristina? I, as a Scorpio/Cancer, have been known to do crazy, off the wall things when in love. I even tracked down an ex boyfriend 9 years later to write him a letter apologizing for what I said to him when I broke up with him (it had to do with things like lack of ambition, his religion, etc, and I had been brutally frank and felt guilty about it later). And I recognize that most people don't want to hear from you 9 years later, but I'm slightly wacked. So I can see how a guy with the same placement might also exhibit crazy behavior. The continual calling when you do not even pick up the phone is, I think, more than just about guilt for the way he treated you. My guess is at some point he realized how wonderful you were and he'd like to have you back, because most Scorpios have pride, you know, and do not grovel for trivialities. So my gut is saying he's dying to see you again. Since you say you want to let him down gently, my advice would be to call or text him (calling is preferable) and tell him that your boyfriend would feel threatened if you were to meet up with him in NY during his visit, and you have such a great relationship you would not want to jeopardize it. You hope he understands. I think that would be a message to him that you've moved on. Good luck.

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Lucia23
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posted October 24, 2008 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
If you really want kind, considerate closure, the next time he suggests a visit when he's in NYC, take his call, say hi, tell him how much you appreciate his overtures at friendship, but that you meant for your letter to give both of you closure in your relationship, and that a visit isn't the best idea because it's time to move on, but you honestly do think he's terrific and wish him well and have no hard feelings.

It would NEVER be conceited to think that someone with a Cancer moon would still be pining for you three years later. I'm a fixed Sun/Cancer moon and I have never recovered from a single one of my loves. We Cancer moons put the cling in clingy and the nausea in nostalgia!! And, I didn't mean for what I said to be mean. I was hoping you'd say, Yes, I'm still wildly into him, and we on Lindaland could set about strategizing how to reunite you two.

But if you just want a dignified ending, I think you pretty much already have one.

Anyway, ugh, sorry if my own bitter recent romantic disappointments are seeping into my posts!!

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bluegreyeyes
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posted October 24, 2008 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluegreyeyes     Edit/Delete Message
@ Lucia --

No, no... I get what you were trying to say. My friends basically call me out about it all the time too... I mean, why do I respond to his texts but not his calls? Why do I consider seeing him when I want closure? Your comments were valid... blunt, but valid.

I dunno... a part of me thinks "what if?" but then, it's been years and we're in seperate cities and places in our lives... I don't want to kid myself into thinking that things would ever start back up.

Also - I have insane trust issues/intimacy issues to begin with, so there's absolutely no way I'd ever trust him in a romantic capacity again.

Realistically, it's such a dead end. It's so over, so I know I just need to put the past in the past.

I think you're advice is good... be nice, gentle and honest. Thanks!

<<<<<<If you really want kind, considerate closure, the next time he suggests a visit when he's in NYC, take his call, say hi, tell him how much you appreciate his overtures at friendship, but that you meant for your letter to give both of you closure in your relationship, and that a visit isn't the best idea because it's time to move on, but you honestly do think he's terrific and wish him well and have no hard feelings.

It would NEVER be conceited to think that someone with a Cancer moon would still be pining for you three years later. I'm a fixed Sun/Cancer moon and I have never recovered from a single one of my loves. We Cancer moons put the cling in clingy and the nausea in nostalgia!! And, I didn't mean for what I said to be mean. I was hoping you'd say, Yes, I'm still wildly into him, and we on Lindaland could set about strategizing how to reunite you two.

But if you just want a dignified ending, I think you pretty much already have one.

Anyway, ugh, sorry if my own bitter recent romantic disappointments are seeping into my posts!! >>>>>>>>

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posted October 24, 2008 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Christina, I *still* think it's a good idea if you guys talk. If you've got the trust/intimacy issues, it might be therapeutic for you. I'm not saying it has to be some long, drawn-out session, but certainly it would help to acknowledge the past and seek a degree of closure.

You can look at this situation as an annoying issue which won't go away, or look at it as a wonderful opportunity for some kind of personal integration and new growth. If we sometimes reject parts of ourselves that we don't feel comfortable with, and then attract situations/people which have these same qualities, then I feel that maybe, just maybe, some part of our deeper sense of self is trying to re-connect to us, and re-integrate. Trying to get us to recognize it and accept it unconditionally.

Just my two cents.

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