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blue moon
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posted October 24, 2008 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Saturn in synastry has been commented on a couple of times in the past week.

There was an observation (I can't remember from whom, sorry) that at least one hard Saturn aspect commonly appears on the synastry chart on long term couples. (Apologies if I have quoted that wrong).

Then, if she will forgive me quoting her, katatonic made the interesting observation about a famous Saturnian couple where things have played out (typically) as though what was initially attractive and brought a sense of security comes to feel stifling and bring a sense of being unappreciated.

Any thoughts on this?

It reminds me of comments made by Cher about her first marriage, and also Paula Yates about hers ~ what was at first overpoweringly attractive becomes controlling and like being married to a parent.

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posted October 24, 2008 06:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message

Grand Square with both Saturns.. that's heavy duty.

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posted October 24, 2008 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Saturn is prominent on my synastry chart ~ with that classic red flagger Saturn/Mars.

However, though I will confess it can be a real drag, maybe I'm lucky in feeling that there is something needful in it, and as I've got older I have come to appreciate it. Mars on my chart is at the apex of a T-Square, one corner of a Grand Trine, and Conjunct the North Node. He needs a boot up the butt. On my natal chart Saturn is the only planet Mars doesn't aspect.

Sun/Saturn is one I like less. My Sun is O.K, it doesn't need someone's big fat Saturn on it's case. It would remind me of my mother, we have a conjunction.

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buena36
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posted October 24, 2008 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for buena36     Edit/Delete Message
Hi blue moon,

They were married 10 years. She left Bob because of Michael Hutchence.

Her Saturn in his 1st house should be very long relationship.
Saturn has hard aspects with four Bob's planets.
Her Saturn has trine with his Venus and Mars what is very good sign for love.
Also her Sun had trine his Venus and Mars.
It was romantic love with her Venus sextile his Neptune.

In common their Venus Aspects were very good, but her Saturn square all his planets had to bring to one end.

It was her destiny to meet Michael Hutchence and to die young. I am looking here how clear is the way, she died (sorry, how somebody will die is my hobby).

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posted October 24, 2008 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Jeeez, that's a lot of Saturn. Looks painful

Blue Moon, would you say the Saturn/Sun conjunction feels similar at all to a square?

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posted October 26, 2008 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
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that at least one hard Saturn aspect commonly appears on the synastry chart on long term couples

BM, that was me. I tend to find that it occurs a lot in long-term couples because I guess they are very serious and grave aspects that indicate commitment and proactive action (square).

Too much and you might end up like Brad and Jen:
http://www.astrowin.org/anonymous/DualCosmodynesSpeak.pdf

What I have noticed is that the worse squares with Saturn are the most prominent in these long-term relationships. In a "natural" chart, with ASC at 0 deg Aries, Mars would be the 1st house ruler, Moon the 4th, Venus the 7th and Saturn the MC or 10th - future direction. These conflicts are very personal and affect the future direction of the relationship and must be overcome for a successful relationship. In that way, there is more impetus to get things sorted and maybe a greater dedication between parties.

I can't say how it feels like in reality because I can't think of anyone that I have deep squaring Saturnine synastry with but with celebrity crush, it is an indissolvable bond that I know I can't run from. I feel trapped in that way, crushed even - guilt and disapproval, and that it's a serious interest too. A friend who was over also commented on the seriousness of the interest in celebrity crush, she was amazed that I still had it after 2.5 years and said it's beyond a crush. I imagine that is what reality might feel when you meet someone with this synastry.

I am interested in the Mars-Saturn that you have with Mr BM. Can you explain how it feels? How do you deal with it? Are you Mars or Saturn?

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posted October 26, 2008 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Paula Yates made Michael Hutchence do what he said he would never do, that is commit (in Hutchencian terms not normal terms) and have kids, the crap that happened with the divorce etc pushed him over the edge. I don't blame her for it though.

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posted October 26, 2008 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Paula didn't have an easy life.

I liked your Saturn observation, see, it has been floating around in my mind.

Saturn on Mars ~ you will like this ~

Both my father and my husband have Sun Conjunct Saturn, sign of the self-made man. They both rose up to successful career levels purely on hard-work and ability, both came to live in England from other countries. One has Sun/Saturn in Aqua at the Mars end of my natal Square, the other in Taurus at the Mercury/Venus end.

I have a boot for each butt cheek.

There is anchorage in Saturn as well as control. If it works well it doesn't have to be stifling. It can provide form and structure. Or just be the one to say: you should make an effort to do something worthy, you are capable of more.

Throwing an idea into the wind here ~ maybe the Conjunction can go both ways whereas the Square stands a greater chance of being divisive and following the attraction to loathing path suggested by katatonic. I don't know, but I certainly think the Mars/Saturn Square would be more unpleasant than the Conjunction.

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posted October 26, 2008 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
My boyfriend's Saturn is exactly conjunct my Mars. So far I've only noticed that I take his criticisms seriously. Once he called me childish and I've made an effort to not be. Normally I'd be like "Eh, take it or leave it behb."

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posted October 26, 2008 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yinyang     Edit/Delete Message
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My boyfriend's Saturn is exactly conjunct my Mars. So far I've only noticed that I take his criticisms seriously. Once he called me childish and I've made an effort to not be. Normally I'd be like "Eh, take it or leave it behb."

Are there any hard aspects between Sun/Moon, Sun/Sun or Moon/Moon?

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posted October 26, 2008 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Aha, so it's family. These links are common amongst families but I'm still surprised to see the square between you and your brother re Mars and Saturn, usually it's the conj. Still I have my Saturn square my mum's Sun/Merc and conj her Moon/Pluto.

In another way, what you said about things being "parental" when things going wrong is very apt. As Saturn links seem to be prominent in the family esp between parent and child, these get replicated in partners. Maybe that's also another thing that links back to choosing a partner that resembles or reminds one of a loved one. We have to make the relationship with our partners not feel old and familiar (which seems attractive at the start because we feel the familiarity and the immediate bond) so we have to work hard.

http://www.librarising.com/astrology/fwa/planetinsignrelations.html

See also how the square rules intimacy, naturally associated with the 4th, opposition with relationships or 7th.

Amowls - that's what I feel with a male friend. I am Saturn conj his Mars. I find he can be blunt and childish at times and I tell him off sometimes.

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posted October 27, 2008 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
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I'm still surprised to see the square between you and your brother re Mars and Saturn, usually it's the conj

Me? It's too wide for synastry.

I have conjunction with one family member at one end of my Venus/Mars Square, and a conjucntion with another at the other.

Neither Square the other point.

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posted October 27, 2008 06:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua/scorp     Edit/Delete Message
I have the Saturn square Mars with someone. I'm Mars.

Also I know a "pair" who have quiet alot of negative Saturn aspects between them! Sounds pretty harsh.

Ones Saturn squaring the others Venus/Saturn/Neptune/Chiron/Psyche

The others Saturn squaring the others Moon/Jupiter/MC/Chiron and semi-square Mercury/Mars.

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