posted October 29, 2008 08:47 AM         

I was ready to leave the Forum, but I am going to study this case.
Only have to make another Natal Chart.

posted October 29, 2008 09:09 AM         

I have seen something similar in his Natal Chart and in Solar Return for the year 1989. It was sudden death? He didn't die from illness?
I see here connection between Chiron in 2nd, Jupiter in 8th and Neptune in 11th in big square.

For now, so much! I come back tomorrow.

I can tell you only that I have seen Jupiter in 8th by one man, that ended suddenly.

Here is Uranus in conjunction with Jupiter. Why that year is a bit complicated to write here.

posted October 29, 2008 09:37 AM         

I have seen now who he was. Believe me, I had no idea that he was musician.

posted October 30, 2008 08:18 AM         

Now I will tell only short version:

2nd house has also to do with death as opposition to 8th house. In 2nd he had Chiron with almost exact opposition with Jupiter in 8th (death). Both of them make T-square with Neptune in 11th. 11th house is house of aviation as I know. It was error, but I am not sure that was error from the pilot. There must be some person with drugs.
Sudden death is shown by Uranus in the 8th house almost in 9th (that could be pilot - not sure where pilot belongs to).

Here is most important that that year Chiron from 2nd and Jupiter from 8th were in conjunction. Is that in the 1st house I am not sure because of place he was for his birthday.

Other thing is: he was AC Scorpio, ruler is Pluto and Pluto has just changed the sign. It was big change for him, but before that would be difficult to tell that would be his death.
My friend died when her Pluto has changed the sign but her Pluto had to do with her death.

Ruler of 4th, end of life is Neptune in 11th: it is very difficult to find out who's error was that all that happened?

Progressed Chiron came in conjunction with Natal Chiron. Strange or I don't see well.

Sorry for all, what happened.

Buena

p.s. I am studying suicide and not so much other kinds of death.

posted November 03, 2008 04:19 AM         

I am back. Here is Natal Chart + Transits on the August 27th, 1990.

Here is T Chiron in 8th house in the opposition with his Natal Chiron as a sign that there is going to happen in 8th house.

About fog on that day: Neptune is also some kind of fog (for me specially).

About jumping from the helicopter and then he died: if you look ruler of his 3rd, Uranus in 8th it means, he jumped direct into death.

There is more why then and why so, but I should study it much more.

Buena

posted November 03, 2008 08:15 AM         

Here is Event Chart, when Stevie has died. I am obsessed with death and like to look how are planets in that moment.

posted November 03, 2008 08:22 AM         

Here are three worst planets (Uranus from Natal 8th, Neptune from Natal 11th - both are included with his death) in the house of death. How they came here?

I will better finish with this explanation.

posted November 04, 2008 02:29 AM         

I have old papers from Horoscopechat and read them now.

There is one female member that has explained all how, why and when somebody has died. After she has explained all, she wrote: now I am going to count for myself when I am going to die!

I didn't go so far, but if somebody is interesting he can find out, when the time comes to die. It is pretty difficult and maybe one day I will go to do it for myself.

Buena

posted November 04, 2008 04:05 AM         

I am Taurus Sun, Moon in Pisces, AC Libra.

About that how to know when to die, that is not good for you. Why would you like to know?
If Solar Return is bad, that means nothing.

I know many Solar Returns where are (f.e.) Jupiter in 9th, AC Sagittarius and ruler Jupiter in 9th or simple, Sagittarius on the cusp of 9th. 9th house looks like heaven for the person that has died. For some people (sick for long time) is relief to die. They have nice Solar Return.

I can post here Natal and Solar Chart from my friend that has died with 28 years. She didn't survive birth of her baby. Baby was born with 5 months (and today is nice and normal girl) but mother has died.
If you want me to post it here, I will but don't want to explain, why just then.

Buena

posted November 04, 2008 04:29 AM         

Here are both Charts from my friend that has died, December 2001.
I will post only Charts.

Natal Chart:

Solar Return for 2001: