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librasunleomoon
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posted October 29, 2008 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for librasunleomoon     Edit/Delete Message
I always seem to attract people with whom I share the venus conjunct uranus in a composite and sometimes Davison chart. Not synastry as much. I have natally Uranus conjunct Jupiter rising, both squaring Mars and Venus, so perhaps my wild Uranian side attracts these patterns in relationships. However I have become so fearful when I see this pop up in a composite, because it warns me that any attempt to hold onto the relationship is doomed to failure. However I've had many longterm friendships and relationships with this. Yet at the same time I do feel that I had been unable to make it work and be truly close to the person, but at the time I thought I could. Then I begin to wonder if I should be worried.

The question comes up because I met someone new I have this with and so far there doesn't seem to be a problem of needing to give each other a lot of space and it doesn't seem to be fading away, knock on wood, but I am fearful nonetheless.

The truth is I know long term couples who had placements like the Uranus and Venus square in their partner charts and were so in love, so it's never that simple. I know partners need various things from relationships and maybe with my Uranian energy I need that kind of space and that is why I always meet these people.

But I am just wondering if I should be worried now that I'm interested in someone again with the placement, or if anyone has any experience with this placement. Thanks.

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posted October 29, 2008 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
Uranus aspects work when it's a platonic relationship. There's no jealousy issues because one person can't cheat on the other, per se. Like if your friend is friends with other people, you're not going to stop being friends with them.

In romantic relationships this can be tricky because Uranus doesn't allow people to get as intimate as they can be. One person freaks out and "needs space." Or for whatever reason, the relationship is unstable so while you have romantic feelings for each other, it's hard to ground it into everyday routines.

I have Moon square Uranus in the Midpoint/Davison composites with my boyfriend and I. We're always flipping back and forth from being sure we love each other to uncertainty.

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posted October 29, 2008 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
To add:

I have Robert Hand's "Planets in Composite" and he basically says that with Venus conjunct Uranus, the more you try to hold on to this relationship, the more likely you two will not work out. In order for it to be long lasting, you have to be open to giving each other freedom.

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posted October 29, 2008 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeoPisCan     Edit/Delete Message
You mentioned that you have a uranian influence in your natal chart, but what about the people you've had romantic relationships with? Do they have a strong natal uranus?

Both people have to be happy with a relationship for it to work. A composite venus/uranus conjunction may be good for you, but may make your partner uneasy, depending on their natal chart.

I think most people can tolerate a venus/uranus conj. in a friendship, but only a few would find that influence satisfying in a romantic or sexual partnership.

I also have found a lot of venus/uranus aspects in my composite charts (although not often in synastry). Natally, I have uranus square a stellium of sun/merc/jup/venus. Uranus is also in the fifth house in my chart. A composite uranus/venus conj. is not a negative aspect for me, but it may be for other people I connect with.

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posted October 29, 2008 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for librasunleomoon     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Leo Pis,
Yeah not all partners have had the Uranus space needed. Just depends. Oddly enough my longest relationship I had venus conjunct uranus composite with the person.
In response to everything else, I have read all the Robert Hand stuff posted above before and found it rather doom mongering, that is why I wanted some perspective. I fear things may be like people said but I need to know why I always attract people that I share this with. All my life. If it truly can't work out as a romantic thing, why do I always attract people interested who I have this with. I am trying to look for the exceptions, like a close friend who had the square with her husband of many years who she adored, and figure out why it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.

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posted October 30, 2008 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for librasunleomoon     Edit/Delete Message
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posted October 30, 2008 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Here's the astro.com interpretation for Comp Venus conj Ura:

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Venus Conjunct Uranus
With Venus conjunct Uranus in the composite chart, you will have to keep certain points in mind in order to get the most out of your relationship.
If this is a sexual relationship, it is very likely that your feelings for each other arose suddenly. But no matter how intense the feeling, recognize that any attempt to hold onto this relationship is probably doomed to failure. If you want it to last, you must give each other lots of room to move.
A relationship like this shakes your established thought patterns and gives you both the opportunity to find something new in yourselves.
This relationship may very well change your life. Give yourselves the freedom to go where it takes you.

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posted October 30, 2008 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for librasunleomoon     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry to be demanding but I have actually read all of this before. I am trying to see if there are any instances anyone knows of where things worked out well despite this aspect, and if people on here believe that love is stronger than the chart or if not.

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posted October 31, 2008 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deuxantares     Edit/Delete Message
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if people on here believe that love is stronger than the chart or if not.

Love is stronger because it's alive, it has energy. The chart is static, it's just a 2-dimensional drawing that is meant to serve as a map.

From my experience, I am scared more of Venus square Saturn than Venus conjunct Uranus in the composite.

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posted October 31, 2008 03:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
The Composite chart interpretations on Astro are written by Robert Hand.

What other aspects did you have with the person you had Venus conjunct Uranus with? Were there healthy Saturn influences?

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posted October 31, 2008 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lana29865     Edit/Delete Message
deuxantares, I'd be interested in hearing why you are scared of Venus square Saturn in a composite chart.
I understand it's a tough aspect, but if you have some personal experience, it would be interesting to hear.

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posted October 31, 2008 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I'd be interested in knowing what both Venus square Saturn AND Venus conjunct Uranus together would mean in a composite chart. How do those energies combine, I wonder. Stop/start? I know in synastry how this stuff feels...in composite, it's gonna be more played out over the long-term...should be interesting.

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posted October 31, 2008 04:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua/scorp     Edit/Delete Message
I have the Venus/Uranus conjunction orb 2 in the composite with someone but we also have the Venus/Saturn conjunction orb 1. It seems contradictory? I wonder how those work out lol

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posted October 31, 2008 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
aqua/scorp, I have no idea exactly, but it is contradictory lol. In synastry I had my Venus conjunct someone's Uranus, and then MY Uranus oppose his Venus, and then on top of that his Saturn square my Venus. OMG, it was a freakin' nightmare from hell! That whole relationship was all over the place!!! Mixed signals, and when one person was feeling cute and loving, the other was detached and going meh, not interested....and then the Saturn Venus thing was basically delay delay delay...couldn't follow through with plans.
It was almost like the Venus-Uranus thing CAUSED the Venus square Saturn LOL.
Annoying.

I don't think it's the same in composite though...and I really believe it depends on a number of other factors....however, I am interested in finding out if anyone's had any experience with it in the their relationship over the long-term, and how it was. I'd be very interested.

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posted October 31, 2008 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deuxantares     Edit/Delete Message
Lana,

I have 2 experiences with the Ven-Sat square, which can manifest as love unrequited or love that is unfulfilled (either due to outside influences or to inner blockage such as insecurity and fears). Unlike the Ven-Ura aspect, this one poses problems in the beginning and requires a lot of effort from both parties for the relationship to take off the ground.

In my first experience, I met someone with whom I clicked really well (our synastry was good). We became close to each other as friends in just a very short time but before we could take it to a new level we both had to travel and then lost contact. Sad thing is I knew how to contact him but didn't because I was insecure. He was such a great catch and I could not believe that he would be interested in me for something more than friendship.

When we saw each other again, he was already in the beginning stage of a relationship with someone. Naturally I got hurt, but instead of staking my claim, what I did was play the role of a supportive friend and pushed him towards the other girl. Their relationship didn't last. When they broke up he tried to be close to me again, but I had already done everything to forget my feelings and could not see myself anymore being with him in a romantic relationship. (Being a double Scorpio, I am so good at burying feelings that sometimes I forget where I buried them and can't find them anymore). We have both found other loves since then but remained really good friends who would do anything for each other.

What's funny is with the next guy I fell for I also had the Ven-Sat square. I think this is the universe's way of saying "you are not graduating from this level unless you pass this test. Accept the lesson and its gift now or the next experience will be a tougher one".

This 2nd one is still in the works. My synastry with him is much much better than with the first one. Ven-Sat square is present in the form of physical distance and the usual insecurity/fear issue. I believe I have already learned this aspect's lesson so I "vanquished" the insecurity/fear demon on my side first to help him fight his own . I knew I had to work on myself and defeat my inner enemies before I would get the relationship that I desire. Thankfully, I won. We are going to do something about the physical distance soon.

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posted October 31, 2008 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lana29865     Edit/Delete Message
deuxantares, thanks for telling about your experience. I can very well relate to what you are describing, as I also have composite Saturn square Venus with someone.

To make matters even more complicated (and interesting): in synastry my Libra Moon&Venus conjunction is conjunct his Libra Jupiter&Uranus conjunction – this aspect bundle falls in his 8th and in my 2nd house.

In what composite houses does your Saturn square Venus fall in your relationships?

Our composite placements are: Saturn in Aries in the 11th house (society, friends) square Venus in Capricorn in the 8th house (coming together on the deepest levels, sexually and materially).

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posted October 31, 2008 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deuxantares     Edit/Delete Message
I checked the charts again.

Eeek! I realized just now that with the first guy I have both Ven-Sat square and Ven-Ura conjunct (Saturn is also squaring Uranus). Apparently in the duel between Saturn and Uranus over Venus' affection, Saturn won.

Lana, so how are things with you guys now?

1st case: Saturn in Leo in 11th squares Venus in Scorpio in 3rd.
2nd case: Saturn in Gemini in 10th squares Venus in Virgo in 2nd

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posted October 31, 2008 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lana29865     Edit/Delete Message
Edited :-)

In our case the house placements seem important. We have a heavy kind of love (8th house), and it's in conflict with the expectations/pressures from friends/society (11th house).

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posted October 31, 2008 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for librasunleomoon     Edit/Delete Message
Omygosh you guys that is so interesting about Venus conjunct Uranus "causing" Venus square Saturn or seeming to. I don't think I have ever had both in a composite with someone.
Deux I agree with what you said about love being stronger. It's easy to forget the chart is just a two dimensional image created by human beings while love is so stronger.
I am starting to think that our composite moon conjunct pluto is inclined to make things more enduring and intense. We have jupiter sextile saturn, so saturn sextile my chart ruler (jupiter.) Stablizing. Maybe I do not need to worry.

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posted October 31, 2008 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deuxantares     Edit/Delete Message
Lana, accckk 16 years. Yes I think the fact that your water houses are involved make the relationship in a way karmic.

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posted November 03, 2008 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lana29865     Edit/Delete Message
Well, there was a 10 year period when we didn't really keep in touch, so it's 5 years of real contact altogether (1 year after we first met and now it's been 4 years after our 2nd start...).

Of course, there are other binding aspects in our composite, such as Sun conjunct Neptune in the 7th house, Saturn trine Sun, Venus-Moon-NN grand trine (if NN can be a part of a grand trine...? Our grand trine is in earth signs and water houses), etc.

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