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ramblintreeclimber
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posted October 29, 2008 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ramblintreeclimber     Edit/Delete Message
Hello everyone, new here, I had a question about the synestry between me and my girlfriend. My natal chart has a mutable T square. Sun-Moon-Mercury-Venus-IC conjunct in gemini, Saturn-Uranus-Midheaven conjunct in saggiterious, all square Mars-Northnode-ascendant in Pisces. My girlfriend has moon in Virgo, making really stressfull aspects to nearly every point on my chart. I was curious if this is usually interpretted as a negative thing or not. Looking up the aspects one by one it would seem to create lots of problems, but it's also conjunct my descendant and south node. I guess my specific question would be do you think this would have a balancing effect on my otherwise unstable personality?

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blue moon
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posted October 29, 2008 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Any chance of you putting up a chart?

Am I right with this ~ on your natal chart you have Pluto in Scorpio, Neptune Capricorn, Jupiter Taurus? Just because I was wondering how everything else slots in. You've just given us one small piece of the picture. You do have a lot of Mutable energy, that's true. In a way that's good, flexibility is a good quality in this world, but too much, as you indicate, might make it difficult for you to maintain a stable existence.

The Moon is doing a lot of work at that end of the Grand Cross, my qualm would be how sustainable that is ~ and of course it is hard to say only knowing just that one placement on her chart. Maybe she is a pillar of strength and resilience, it's impossible to say only knowing her Moon sign. If her Moon ties into Saturn in a flowing way, it might be the case. But the Moon governs emotion, it is receptive, and a gentle energy. It is tough for the Moon to carry the full force of 7 planets, including Saturn and Mars, their energies are a lot harder.

I assume there are other aspects between her chart and yours? It might be that you have something softer, to ease things up, an easy trine, maybe with Saturn, that would be nice. You might have another major configuration like a Grand Trine.

Something with Saturn would be good to indicate stability and longevity in the relationship.

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blue moon
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posted October 29, 2008 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
My synastry chart with my husband.

Both of us have fixed T-Squares and together we look like this:

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ramblintreeclimber
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posted October 29, 2008 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ramblintreeclimber     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, I'll post our synestry chart, although I'm not sure how exactly... your right though, neptune is in Cap, pluto in Scorp, and jupiter in Taurus. I guess my mars-ascendant conjunction is a little out of orb to be a proper T-square, but I assumed my chart functioned in a similar way. my mars and pluto are natally trined, and my girlfriend has a cancer-jupiter that fits in nicely to create a grand trine. here's the chart

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Sun: gemini
Moon: gemini
Rising: pisces

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katatonic
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posted October 29, 2008 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
ramblin, the person who fleshes your t-square into a grand cross can be a very stabilizing influence. i have looked at a lot of couples' charts where this happens and it seems to be very helpful. of course it depends on your approach to your own squares and your willingness to let that person influence you. i in fact have this with my daughter, as a double whammy - her planets fill out my t-square and mine hers!

NOT always plain sailing, but there does seems to be plenty of incentive to resolve the square issues and keep at it!!

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blue moon
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posted October 29, 2008 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
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My natal chart has a mutable T square.

I disagree with that conclusion.

Your Mars is at 14* Pisces ~ and at 15* orb from Uranus and Saturn I make that too wide to count.

But Uranus/Saturn certainly fall along on the MC end of the MC/IC axis, and Sun/Mercury/Moon/Venus fall in Gemini at the other end in a Major Stellium. Her Moon at 25* Virgo Squares both.

So that makes a synastric T-Square. A different beast altogether. A tense, but significant interaction between two people. As katatonic suggests, the more difficult configurations can be productive with effort.

No Grand Square or Grand Cross on here, the orbs are too wide.

Her Mars at 0* Aries is Square your Uranus/Saturn. That is quite a tough piece of synastry. You will see a lot written on Lindaland about Mars/Saturn Squares in couples. It is a tough one.

If you are interested in Chiron, if you draw him into the synastric chart you have another T-Square as natally he is opposite your Uranus/Saturn. Bring in your girlfriend's Mars that makes the apex of the synastric T-Square.

On her natal chart, I think Astro's inclusion of Mercury to make her Grand Trine is rather wide. However, put in your Jupiter in Taurus, which is narrow enough to be inluded in synastry, I think you have an Earth Grand Trine together ~ with her Saturn and Moon.

She DOES have Saturn Trine Moon. If you are hoping to find a stabilising influence it is there, with your Jupiter building that into a Earth Grand Trine.

She won't give you an easy ride though. Don't blame her ~ Neptune/Mars man above doesn't get one either.

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ramblintreeclimber
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posted October 29, 2008 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ramblintreeclimber     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm, yea 15 degree's is a bit wide... I just assumed it was a T-square because it was the closest fit, I'm learning . Thanks for the replies! here's our composite, it might shed some light on us in case anyones still interested... I am

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Sun: gemini
Moon: gemini
Rising: pisces

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