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PeaceAngel
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posted November 03, 2008 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
I wanted to share this information from the book Spiritual Astrology by Jan Spiller and Karen McCoy.

Pluto: Key to self-mastery

Pluto in the Birthchart:

Reveals where you most covertly resist change; where a willingness to change will have the biggest impact on your life and will result in a realisation of fearlessness.

Depicts the part of yourself that is the most difficult to face and to expose to others.

Shows the way to release the area of greatest internal repression and, in the process, experience a new sense of personal power and self-mastery.

Represents the area where you are constantly challenged to use your power to alter stagnant situations drastically.

Illuminates that area of life in which you can obtain the rewards of true self-mastery if you are willing to risk it all, exposing personal perceptions and values on the deepest levels.

Exposes the temptation to use divine power as a too of the personal ego and self-will, which can have explosive repercussions that lead to self-suppression.

Indicates the area in which you need to be willing to die psychologically in order to be reborn into an experience of life on a whole new levels.

Signifies where you can claim the high consciousness of clear right action and alignment with the self, which is also the area where your fear is recognising that you already have the power and completeness of the high consciousness because you feel it it would make you different from everyone else.

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darkdreamer
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posted November 03, 2008 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you.

Do you think this might help in determining the meaning of the Pluto-Zero-chart (Plutonics)?

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PeaceAngel
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posted November 03, 2008 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
DD

Wow - amazing question.

Applying this Pluto interpretation in the context of what the Pluto chart itself signifies. Sure, why not. Try it - see how it fits.

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darkdreamer
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posted November 03, 2008 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
I`m just not sure how to do it PRACTICALLY. Any idea?

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PeaceAngel
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posted November 03, 2008 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
You're THE expert - and you're asking me? LOL! Let me think about it.

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PeaceAngel
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posted November 03, 2008 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Are you applying it for synastry as well?

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Scorp31
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posted November 03, 2008 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorp31     Edit/Delete Message
PeaceAngel

Interesting... Does that interpretation apply to what house pluto is in in your natal chart?

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Sun: Scorpio
Moon: Capricorn
Ascendant: Libra

Venus in Sagittarius
Mars in Sagittarius

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ramblintreeclimber
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posted November 03, 2008 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ramblintreeclimber     Edit/Delete Message
Thats fascinating stuff.. I've been really interested in this 'planet' lately. Its been conjunct my midheaven, Saturn, and Uranus for a while now, exact conjunct to uranus is happening for the 3rd time tomorrow. I've wanted to know more about plutos influence through the natal houses but the information I've read on the internet seems really inconsistant.. varies alot depending on your site. I have pluto in my natal 8th house (in scorpio as well ) Does anyone know any good books on the subject?

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Sun: gemini
Moon: gemini
Rising: pisces

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PeaceAngel
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posted November 03, 2008 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Scorp31

If you give me your house placement, I'll type up the information she offers.

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Scorp31
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posted November 03, 2008 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorp31     Edit/Delete Message
PeaceAngel

Here you go, Many thanks!!

I have Pluto in Virgo 12th house aspects are:

Uranus conjunction Pluto orb +0°29'
Mars square Pluto orb +1°47'
Neptune sextile Pluto orb +1°29'
Saturn opposite Pluto orb -7°08'
Venus square Pluto orb +6°21'
Pluto quintile Midheaven orb +0°32'


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Sun: Scorpio
Moon: Capricorn
Ascendant: Libra

Venus in Sagittarius
Mars in Sagittarius

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Snow_Dream
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posted November 03, 2008 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snow_Dream     Edit/Delete Message
I also have Pluto in the 4th house in Virgo and have been experiencing Pluto Square Venus.

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aguayaire
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posted November 04, 2008 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aguayaire     Edit/Delete Message
Peaceangel, what about pluto in the 1st house ? would you mind posting something about it ?

(mine is libra - I always thought = transformation through relationships... but I don't have a precise idea of what it means)

pluto - 1st house
square mercury
square moon
square venus
square saturn
sextile neptune

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katatonic
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posted November 04, 2008 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i'd love to know what she has to say about pluto in 7th conj sun...love jan spiller!

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PeaceAngel
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posted November 05, 2008 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Scorp31

From Jan Spiller's "Spiritual Astrology":

Pluto in The 12th House

Static:
You might withhold the power to use contact with larger, unseen spiritual forces of life in ways that provoke you and others into deeper awareness of the spiritual dimension of self. This holding back robs everyone of the chance to experience life by personally contacting the deepest source of power and identity. You might deny the power of your ideals and fail to express your vision.

You might repress responding to circumstances on the basis of a vision you can see if you fear the loss of control or the disruption of the rest of your life. This may lead to frustration, a feeling of being misunderstood by the world, and a resentment of others for their lack of vision and understanding.

Fearing you may lose your spiritual security by sharing it may lead to not exposing the power of intangible causes to others. This leaves you with only a stagnant of the power of the real self.

Dynamic:
You can be willing and determined to go beyond your greatest fears by surrendering to the power of your vision. When you take the risk of trusting life to support you, knowing you are acting in accord with right action, you may express your spiritual vision. This can result in a temporary disruption and invalidation of your private sense of security. It leads to the purging of repressive unconscious fears and the purification of a new contact with the unseen forces of life.

You can claim high consciousness by revealing the perception of hidden causes and profound inner meanings of others' lives. You can expose the truth of the visions that you see regardless of the consequences. Taking the risk of fully expressing your vision releases power. This allows you to both experience and perceive a deeper relationship with self.

Exposing your discernment can release an intense power that stuns others. This allows you to understand with compassion that others may temporarily invalidate the insight until they have had a chance to accept and incorporate it. You can sacrifice the motive of wanting your observations validated by others or wanting to force them to align with their real self as you envision it. This frees you to operate from a clear motive of accepting and sharing the private insights you receive.

As you cease to identify with the power of the intangible insights that flow through you, you experience true spiritual security. This allows you to share your perceptions without taking the reactions of others personally. By being selflessly committed to taking the risk and revealing the spiritual visions you receive, you can be led past your greatest fears and into self-mastery.

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posted November 05, 2008 07:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
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Pluto in The 4th House

Static:
You might withhold using your sensitivies to people's feelings in ways that provoke them into confronting a deeper awareness of themselves. This repression may rob them of the opportunity to experience new feelings, and also rob yourself.

You may give in to fears of being rejected and thus withhold your deepest responses to your family. This repression of openness might lead to a resentment of others' insensitivities. The result may be overcontrol and emotional stagnation.

Dynamic:
You can be willing to go beyond your greatest fears, surrdendering to your sensitivity. When you reveal what you are feeling, in spite of fearing the consequences, you undergo a transformation of feelings. This allows for a truer alignment with your deepest sensitivities. By sharing your responses and deep perceptions of others' feelings, you may experience a temporary invalidation from those who are closest. A purge of both your insecurities and theirs can follow.

When you cease to control others' feelings to protect your vulnerability, you free yourself to operate from a stable position. This vantage empowers you to express and share from the integrity of your deepest sensitivities. Selfless commitment to recognising and exposing your awareness of the realm of feelings leads past your greatest fears to self-mastery.

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posted November 05, 2008 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
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Pluto in The 1st House

Static:
You might withhold your ability to stimulate others toward deeper awareness because you fear their violent response. If you hide under the pretense of being harmless, you may attract people who are basically incompatible. Withholding honest responses may rob you and others of the opportunity to transform the situation to a higher level.

Conversely, you might express your perceptions but with an ego motive of wanting to intimidate or manipulate others to live up to your expectations. If you try to force others to change their self-expression, you may find yourself entangled in intense resistance from them. Ths impasse results in personal stagnation and a frustrating repression of involvement in your relationships.

Dynamic:
When you are willing to go beyond your greatest fears, you can surrender to the power of your personality. By asserting yourself fully and honestly even though it may provoke others, you are likely to experience a momentary disruption in your environment. This leads to a process of purification, eliminating those factors that inhibit self-expression. By taking the risk of expressing your deep perceptions as they arise, you can rise above stagnant levels of unspoken conflicts.

When your motive is a commitment to your integrity, you are able to graciously reveal your perceptions of others' expressions. This allows them to accept or reject your insights as they choose. Others may temporarily invalidate your discernment because they feel deeply exposed and publicly unmasked. If you can allow their quick denials of your truth to pass by and move on to other areas of interaction, you leave them free to consider what you have said.

As you appreciate the gift of power in your personality, you can be willing to go through the risks of declaring your personality regardless of the consequences. When you become committed to indpendent self-assertion, you are led past your greatest fears and into self-mastery.

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Lara
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posted November 05, 2008 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Peace, so sweet of you. How about pluto in 8th please? I'm almost too scared to ask lol

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Bruce
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posted November 05, 2008 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bruce     Edit/Delete Message
PLuto in sixth pls

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posted November 05, 2008 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
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Pluto in The 7th House

Static:
You might withhold using your awareness ofothes, espeically your mate, in a way that provokes them into deeper self-awareness. Suppressing this insight may rob you and them of the chance to reach new levels of intimacy and depth in the relationship. You might fear disrupting the interaction with your mate or losing control of the relationship. Thus, you may not share your perceptions and true reactions. This withholding leads to a frustration and feeling powerless to have the kind of relationship you really want.

In order to control and hold on to the alliance, you might repress yourself and secretly resent your mate for your own reluctance to risk sharing yourself fully. This may result in being in control of stagnant relationships that you do not want.

Dynamic:
You can be willing to overcome your greatest fears by surrendering to the power in a relationship. Then you can allow your partner to be powerful by sharing your perceptions and reactions with him or her. As a consquence, you may experience a momentary disruption and invalidation in the confrontation that leads to a process of purification. This process eliminates those factors that block a mutual sense of power in the alliance.

Self-mastery can be attained by allowing the high consciousness to emerge through a relationship. Revealing your deepest experiences and perceptions of the other person and the relationship itself, regardless of the consequences, maintains the integrity of the alliance. This leads to the unfolding of mutual power. By giving high consciousness to the other person, you empower yourself.

You have the option to sacrifice the desire to control your partner or deceive your partner into thinking he or she is in control. This frees you to operate from a clear and stable motive, expressing a desire for a complete sharing and enhancement of power. By revealing the perceptions you really see, you can be led past your greatest fears and into self-mastery.

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posted November 05, 2008 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Lara & Bruce

Coming up.

No more requests - please. Thanks.

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PeaceAngel
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posted November 05, 2008 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Bruce

I have this one too. When it talks about environment - I've found that that can mean your personal environment (home, office) as well as the natural environment. I find other people greatly disrupt my personal environment.

Pluto in The 6th House

Static:
You might withhold using your intense perception of order to provoke others into a deeper awareness of their abilities to organise their lives effectively. This repression can invoke the frustration of feeling powerless to create precision in your world. You may likewise resent others for failing to do their part.

If you give in to fears of being criticised and thought petty, you might not communicate your awareness of environmental ineffciencies. This may unknowingly rob you and others of the opportunity to discover a higher order. The result may be a stagnant situation in which you are unable to clean up the disorder on the most personal and impersonal levels.

Dynamic:
You can be willing to go beyond your greatest fears, surrendering to the power of your sense of order. By divulging perceptions of disorder you may experience a temporary disruption and invalidation of your internal ordering. This disruption is followed by an emotional purging and the emergence of a new sense of duty. You can provoke others into a deeper experience of their perfection as you express your concept of the imperfection you see around you.

You have the option to sacrifice the motive of wanting others to change their behaviour and become nearer to perfection according to your standards. This frees you to reveal perceptions of disorder from a clear, stable motive; simply wanting to express service by sharing your awareness of life.

You can reveal these observations, not defending them or taking them personally. This opens the way for a clearer sense of organisation to occur in your relationships. Thus, by recognising and offering your concept of order regardless of the consequences, you can be led past your greatest fears and into self-mastery.

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posted November 05, 2008 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Hey, can you do one for me, too, PA?

Pluto in the 10th house:
square Venus
sextile Mars
sextile NN
conjunct MC
sextile ASC

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PeaceAngel
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posted November 05, 2008 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Lara

Hopes this helps you.

Pluto in The 8th House

Static:
You might withhold your perceptions of people's motives, not provoking them into a deeper self-awareness. This suppression robs you and them of the opportunity to experience the potency of mutual impact. You may fail to reveal awareness of the desires and deeper yearnings of others because you fear losing control or becoming vulnerable by exposing yourself. This withdrawal leaves you unaffected by your most intimate connections with them. It also brings about stagnation in close relationships.

Dynamic:
You can be willing to go beyond your greatest fears by surrendering to the power of yielding. This frees you to enter into deep psychic and material commitments with others and thus experience personal transformation. Through surrendering your individual force and merging it fully into the strength of the relationship, you may experience a momentary disruption and invalidation in your sense of power. This can lead to a process of purification in your sense of power. It elminates those unconscious values that have blocked you from experiencing the deepest meaning of potency in your life.

Self-mastery is attained in the process of experiencing the real strength merging from the bond of your deep psychic and material commitment to another. When you sacrifice the desire for exclusive control, you can operate from a clear motive of wanting to increase the potency of the mutual bond.

By being committed to being powerful enough to risk giving up your self-control, you can wholly combine with another. This leads past your greatest fears and into self-mastery.

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posted November 05, 2008 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
DD

Did I say no more requests! Sheesh! Only because you're my friend and I love you.

It's a long one too! Of course!

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darkdreamer
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posted November 05, 2008 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry to bother you.

But I thought I was SPECIAL to you.

Of course I should be special to EVERYONE.
And if they can`t see it, they must be blind. lol

Seriously, thank you.

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