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MoonPixie
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posted November 10, 2008 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonPixie     Edit/Delete Message
what placements would cause this?

for me it's definitely gemini mercury square pisces mars with tUranus conj my mars as well. i tend to have a lot of unrestrained mental anxiety which affects my sleeping habits. when i was growing up, i had a lot of dreams that would wake me up in the middle of night. ever since uranus came along, though, i've just stopped sleeping like a normal person in general. some friends told me I should learn how to meditate but i've tried with no avail; i'm far too jittery. sports helps a lot; medication even better . but i already know about the ramifications of sleep aid addiction (dad's a psychiatrist).

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Unmoved
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posted November 10, 2008 03:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Thank God for your dad. I was not lucky enough so some idiot doctor have me Stilnox Zolpidem. Google it if you don't already know about it. He prescribed this as a long term med. I took 30mg a night, so I had to quit it cold turkey. Bad idea but I don't have a tapering off type of personality. I realised that there was a problem when I got amnesia or a black out which took an entire day out of my life. Amongst other things, I've been in isolation suffering the withdrawals. It's my first week clean from that **** .

My cause of insomnia astro wise is from my 12th house. My mind is powerful and it can work against me. I have Mercury in 12th. This makes me secretive, but that also means I have lots to think of which I don't express like other people.

also, strong Mercury is square my powerful Moon and that battle of thought and emotions can keep you up at night. 12th house action, the house of my hidden enemies means that I dedicate some good time keeping tabs on my enemies, making it necessary to be spiritually vigilant. Saturn and Pluto in 12th mean that I am disciplined in visiting my subconscious mind, and those of others and it's a scary place.

Good luck. Don't take drugs for it, please. Practice good sleeping habits which I'm doing now. Don't do anything in bed other than sex and sleep. Think on a couch. Read on a couch. Don't have a tv in the bedroom and learn to shut your mind up and do rituals to make you less fearful of your nightmares. It's probably past lives and possibilities so there's nothing to fear. Learn to know that you're dreaming and control your dreams too.

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CoralFrequency
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posted November 10, 2008 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
it's definitely gemini mercury square pisces mars with tUranus conj my mars

I have Pisces Mercury (and tUranus) square my natal Uranus. Sometimes I really feel like I can't stop thinking enough to fall asleep.

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Unmoved
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posted November 10, 2008 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Meditation helps but like a church, psychologist or lover, you have to find the type that works for you.

Another word for meditation is prayer, ok? So, if Jesus yanks your chain, try that for solice. Basically, you need to feel safe and you need to be feel protected.

The Universe is huge so you can find inspiration from all places to find that thing to quieten you spirit and mind. Also, sleeping aids, after they stimulates some parts of they brain, they start some genocide on your nerves and neurons.

obsessing doesn't help. It makes things worse. Surrender and believe that you will sleep. Besides, sleeping little is a good sign for knowing you'll live longer and that you're stronger than some. Yogis sleep as much as I do. Just relax and don't be afraid of not sleeping. If you can function, you're good. If you can't, you need to rest. Sleep is restful but it's not the only way to energize.

once your body learns that you can energize in other ways, it won't choose sleep as the method of choice. Also, get sunlight.

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blue moon
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posted November 10, 2008 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Two people I know get insomnia as a result of sustained brain injury. Both of them were in a coma for a few days after an accident. It's one of the side effects.

There's nothing you can do about it in this situation aside from take drugs, which neither of them want to do, it's not a pyschological problem so any of strategies aimed in this direction just won't help.

Maybe something on the birthchart could point to this, but one of them is a twin so it is going to be hard to pinpoint anything by transit or natal. I don't have his time of birth anyway.

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MoonPixie
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posted November 10, 2008 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonPixie     Edit/Delete Message
I am pretty lucky to have my Dad . He told me that he can't help me with my sleep problems because if I never learn how to deal without his help I'll never be able to make it on my own and that this applies to everything else in my life, as well. What an Aries, lol. He's told me about Ambien CR. It's pretty bad, in general. I asked him (jokingly) if I could have some for my flight to Korea so I can just pass out and wake up when the 20 hour flight was over and he looked like he wanted to smack me.

I have the worst sleeping habits. I listen to all kinds of music right before I sleep, my laptop sits right on the pillow that a boyfriend could be sleeping on... but an admin password didn't keep people from playing with my last one here in Chicago , I read before I sleep, I pretty much do everything in my bed except go for a run before I plan on sleeping.

Tonight I went to sleep at 1am and woke up at 5:45 ish. It's only been a few days since I've started sleeping at night actually. My Leo friend and I hung out for 48 hours and kept me awake the entire time so I would just pass out from exhaustion whatever time I decided to get to bed. Before that, I didn't see sunlight for about 3 weeks. Living at night is so weird.

lol, my Dad just woke up... it's 6:30am and he came banging on my door asking why I'm awake so damn early. I asked him why he's awake early and he said that he wants to leave the house before my mom wakes up and yells at him (he comes by on the weekends to visit and sleeps downstairs). perhaps it's my hectic home life that's bothering my subconscious and keeping me up

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bunnies
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posted November 10, 2008 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
I used to suffer years ago from insomnia unil I read an article which completely cured me.
Instead of techniques to make you sleep, it just said to change your attitude to not sleeping.
There is nothing worse than lying there trying, so don't.
If you can't sleep get up and do something.
Eventually your body will tell you when it's ready.
It took me about three days and then that was it. I slept like a baby from then on.

People sleep to much anyway. It's impossible to stay awake when you are really tired. What's the world record. 5 days??
Oh and the MOST soporiphic thing to do when you get to bed?
A sudoku.
Just staring at those empty squares and counting just hypnotises you. Try it!

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Scorp31
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posted November 10, 2008 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorp31     Edit/Delete Message
MoonPixie

Like you I also suffer from erratic sleep patterns I have Pluto and Uranus conjunct in the 12th and Pluto conjunct Neptune transits. There are times when my dream state is so vivid that I wake up and my mind is racing 100 MPH, and I canít get back to sleep and the start analyzing what I was dreaming about and why etc...

Meditation does help I also started (about 9 months ago) a daily exercise/workout regime which in my experience has really helped with getting at least 6 good hours of sleep a night.

The physical activity early in the morning stabilizes the excess mentally and physical energy.

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Sun: Scorpio
Moon: Capricorn
Ascendant: Libra

Venus in Sagittarius
Mars in Sagittarius

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ramblintreeclimber
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posted November 10, 2008 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ramblintreeclimber     Edit/Delete Message
I feel that way sometimes, it comes in bursts, I might have 3 or 4 days of terrible insomnia, then sleep alright for a few weeks. Like you, I also have mercury in gemini and mars in pisces, I can get into some very restless moods. For me, It's a horrible feeling, lying around wishing you were sleeping, looking at the clock and thinking "oh god, I gotta go to work in 3 hours!!" and agonizing over that, bringing yourself even further from the state you hope to be in.

I usually force myself up out of bed. I'll draw, or write, or go for a walk, listen to music. I'm one of those strange people you'll see walking to CVS at 3 am for no reason.

I think the most important step i've taken against my insomnia was discovering where it all stems from, a lack of expression in my life, repressed energy. I need to be doing something, playing music, exercising, playing sports, anything.

So, if we have more in common that just mercury and mars, maybe it will help you to direct all that energy into some project of some kind. just an idea good luck!

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Sun: gemini
Moon: gemini
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alvarella777
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posted November 10, 2008 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alvarella777     Edit/Delete Message
I am suffering from this for the first time in my life now, it all started when tr. Uranus started to mingle with my IC - where it still is around ... and will be there for a whole lot of months longer. I am absolutely "out of my inner rhythm", and being a self-employed person without any strict time table, that doesn't helpt either. This really leads to chaotic situations in my life, currently ...

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evander
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posted November 10, 2008 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for evander     Edit/Delete Message
I've had it really bad for some time now.

Any way this could be connected to Uranus transiting 12th house ?

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stillatlarge
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posted November 11, 2008 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message
YOUR BIRTHDAY: Is it purely coincidence?
CONSIDER THE SEASON OF YOUR BIRTH FOR WHAT AILS YOU
By JULIE DEARDORFF MCT
Originally published 12:47 p.m., July 9, 2008
Updated 12:47 p.m., July 9, 2008

HEALTH RESEARCH FINDS NO ASTROLOGY LINK
Astrology, once regarded as a science, is nearly impossible to test in controlled laboratory conditions. That hasn't stopped researchers -- most likely those curious Geminis and Virgos -- from trying.

One scientist investigated the link between Libras and renal disease. Nothing. And German researchers compared personality traits with the signs of the zodiac, only to find that astrology is popular with earthlings because "even modern people are inclined toward magical thinking."

"Astrology is not religion, nor is it a science," said astrologer Christopher Renstrom, author of "Ruling Planets" (HarperCollins, $18). "The key to understanding the seasonal temperaments is the planets, not the zodiac signs."

In fact, people have identified with their zodiac sign only for the last century or so, Renstrom said. Before that, an Aries would have said, "I was born under Mars," "Mars is my ruling planet" or "I'm a child of Mars."

"Anyone born under Mars was considered hot under the collar, passionate and ready to get out and do," Renstrom said. "Mars' temperament is 'sanguine': easily aroused, excitable. This was connected to the spring season; Mars rules Aries, which is the sign of the spring equinox. Spring is all about beginnings and falling in love and pursuing anything new."

And despite a lack of scientific credibility, plenty of people believe astrology holds clues to our health. Aries, Leos and Sagittarians, for example, are healthier than, say, Cancers, Pisces and Scorpios because "the first threesome are fire signs, which promise high energy and vitality; the other three are water signs, ever-changing, moody and drifting lifelong toward emotional and mental instability -- factors that affect health," said astro-intuitive Albert Clayton Gaulden, founder of the Sedona Intensive, a life-coaching seminar.

If you believe in the power of the mind to heal, "the air signs Gemini, Libra and Aquarius have the capacity to will themselves to get well -- and to recover more quickly -- through the power of concentration," said Gaulden. "And earth signs, Taurus, Virgo and Capricorn, are more akin to the earth itself," which means they have a predisposition to health issues, he said.

I f you're celebrating a birthday this month, you're more likely to be nearsighted than those born in the winter.

But if your birth date falls in February, March or April, the news is more distressing: Winter and early spring babies have a greater risk of developing schizophrenia than summer-born ones.

Strange coincidences? Esoteric astrological claims? Neither.

As unlikely as it sounds, a growing body of scientific research shows the month you were born can predispose you to certain traits, affecting everything from your personality and mental health to your lifespan.

Although there's no empirical evidence showing a link between the signs of the zodiac and a person's susceptibility to disease, Christopher Renstrom, author of "Ruling Planets" (Harper Collins, $18), reminds us that "astrology is a calendar that gave us the four seasons from which we derive the four temperaments: sanguine, choleric, melancholic and phlegmatic. Personality profiling comes from the zodiac. It's the first form of it."

The association between birth season and health, meanwhile, has been confirmed repeatedly by studies published in peer-reviewed journals.

It was first noticed with the neurological disorder schizophrenia; subsequent research has shown the month of birth can influence your risk of suicide and chance of developing certain cancers, Crohn's disease, coronary heart disease and brain tumors, says psychiatrist Emad Salib of Peasley Cross Hospital in Britain, the lead author of a study in the British Journal of Psychiatry linking birth in late spring to suicide.

Literature reviews, meanwhile, show that more patients with schizophrenia, Alzheimer's disease, epilepsy and narcolepsy are born in December and January. Those with affective disorders -- alcohol dependence, autism, dyslexia and multiple sclerosis -- are reported more frequently in those born during spring and summer months.

"The question for the research community is no longer, Does season of birth influence health outcomes?" said psychiatrist John McGrath of the University of Queensland, whose work has linked schizophrenia to winter birth dates in three- to four-year cycles. "We have known the answer to this question (is yes) for decades."

What they don't know is exactly how birth seasons affect mental health and disease. Unlocking this mystery is the next task for scientists who hope it will lead to new strategies for preventing serious illnesses and disorders.

A mother's health is the root of several possible explanations. For instance, the fetal origins hypothesis holds that early environmental conditions in utero and during infancy can program human immune development. Some of these factors include a mother's access to fresh vegetables or vitamins, or her exposure to an infectious disease such as influenza that might harm the brain of a developing fetus.

More recent research has centered on the star we're all born under: the sun. The amount of sunshine a mother receives or the effects of temperature could affect her hormone levels, some scientists suggest.

Melatonin, a hormone secreted by the pineal gland in the brain in response to darkness, is suppressed by sunshine. Salib has speculated that having too much melatonin could trigger changes in the brain that increase a person's chances of committing suicide later in life.

A lack of sunlight, which leads to low vitamin D levels, could be another factor. Sunlight stimulates the production of vitamin D, which fetuses need for brain development. But in many places, including Chicago, winter sunshine is in short supply.

"We have robust evidence that low prenatal vitamin D alters brain development and adult behavior in rats and mice," said McGrath. "With respect to humans, the jury is out."

Light exposure also can change the balance between dopamine and melatonin, said Israeli researcher Yossi Mandel and his colleagues, who showed that babies born in summer months had increased risks for moderate and severe myopia or nearsightedness.

The dopamine-melatonin balance "is known to participate in the eye-growth control mechanism," Mandel said. "Altered eye growth pattern, such as larger eye length, can be associated with myopia."

In some cases, though, the reasons might not be biological at all. Autumn-born children are about 9 percent more active than those born in the spring, according to a paper published in the British Medical Journal. But this is likely due to the age at which children start school, said lead researcher Calum Mattocks of the University of Bristol.

"Children born in autumn will tend to be the biggest, strongest and most developed in their school year," he said. "So they are more likely to do better in sports, which may motivate them to stay active. Later born children may struggle to keep up, so they may get 'turned off' by games and exercise."

Of course there will always be October-born people who are sedentary and June babies with perfect vision. Season of birth research is in its infancy, so it shouldn't weigh into family-planning decisions.

But for women, increased vitamin D intake might be a way to counter negative effects of birth seasons, said Bruce Hollis, a professor of pediatric nutritional sciences at the Medical University of South Carolina.

"The amount of vitamin D in prenatal supplements is dangerously too low," he said. "Every woman should take 2,000 units a day, and possibly more."

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evander
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posted November 12, 2008 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for evander     Edit/Delete Message
oh lord. its 7:59 am and i havent even closed my eyes.insomnia is the single worst kind of torture.

and i doubt that has anything to do with me being a December baby. though it does raise several questions

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Scorpionic Web
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posted November 12, 2008 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorpionic Web     Edit/Delete Message
Tylenol PM rocks my world.

But often after waking I'm foggy and listless, sometimes with a mild headache. It fades within the first half-hour, and I go about my day.

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lovegoblin
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posted November 12, 2008 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message
Moonpixie:

I am queen on insomnia. They finally gave me some meds which did help, but only for a time. Then they don't.

Valerian from health food store helps a little. And then like the rest, it doesn't.

I have heard of a test they can perform, your dad as a psychiatrist might know of it, and I cannot remember name. They can find out a certain chemical in your brian that isn't bonding with others to create sleep. When they determine which chemical is missing, they then treat this with a series of herbal supplements. I am up late reading this post as a result of insomnia, so i will try to sleep again.

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MoonPixie
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posted November 12, 2008 05:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonPixie     Edit/Delete Message
... i went to sleep at 8am today (took some nyquil because i'm sick... again... damn pisces mars) and woke up at 4. so i got some sleep... although it was medically induced.

i think i'm just gonna give up and not care. it's usually then that things happen to me. everything in my life is ironic. i just took some mucinex so now i'm drowsy. good... night... or morning... whatever.

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stillatlarge
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posted November 12, 2008 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message
If you're young and having sleep problems it's probably just hormones and will pass, but if you're older, you should have your heart checked asap. A lot of rhythm problems will wake you up from a dead sleep or make it impossible to fall asleep in the first place. You won't have a sensation that you attribute to the heart. This is dangerous. Get a thorough exam from a cardiologist. Make sure they do an ultrasound of the back of the heart and give you a monitor that you take home. It's nothing to play with. People die in their sleep from arythmia.

Sometimes though, it's just that the heart rate won't fall, like if you've had to much caffeine. The heart rate MUST fall for sleep to occur. Try holding your breath for about 45 seconds and then exhaling as SLOOOWLY as you can-that's the hard part. Do it 2 or 3 times. Paramedics told me this. It feels like it would make the heart beat faster, and it does TEMPORARILY, but then it falls. It works. It's also good for relaxation.

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