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Marila1313
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posted November 10, 2008 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marila1313     Edit/Delete Message
are there any particular signs/planets, aspects ect?

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posted November 10, 2008 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marila1313     Edit/Delete Message
...any personal expiriences? :S

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posted November 10, 2008 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alvarella777     Edit/Delete Message
I know three confessing and proven "cheaters" - No. 1 regrets his behaviour and tries to change it (more or less succesful, as it seems) - No. 2 says he feels he has a "right" to do so, because he's stuck with his girlfriend for more than 10 years, doesn't want to leave her, but says he needs some "variety" ... and No. 3 ... I don't know, guess he'll go one with his treacherous behaviour forever, because he's just an manipulative and notorius ego-attention-addict.

No. 1 and No. 3 have some things in common: Both have SUN SQUARE NEPTUNE - and both guy's VENUS'ses are EXALTED BY JUPITER. No.1, the "willing to learn"-cheater, has Venus cj. Jupiter in his 2nd house.; No.3 the notorius "bad guy" wiht the attention-deficit-syndrome, has Venus (in 1st) square his Jupiter (in 10th).

No.2, the cheater with that long lasting girlfriend who thinks he has a "right" to cheat on her, has Mars cj. ASC, both squaring his Moon - also his Sun opposite his Chiron (so maybe a problem with self-esteem that stems from that ...?); he also has Venus oppos. Saturn

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posted November 10, 2008 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
moon neptune

moon uranus

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Sun.. Cancer

Moon.. Gemini

Mars.. Cancer

Mercury.. Cancer

Venus.. Leo

Ascendant....... Virgo

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posted November 10, 2008 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.cosmitec-astrological-compatibility-advice.com/signs-of-infidelity.html

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lechien
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posted November 10, 2008 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
Sun square Neptune is my ex. he cheated on me twice and lied to me during the 2 long distant periods. he pictured himself as some sort of romantic adventure hero (James Bond or something?), pisces. but when i finally dumped him i guess it was so shocking to him that he stopped that behavior with the new GF and now is scared to death to lose her.

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posted November 10, 2008 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
Amowls, for the amusement of everyone on here, the list from that site:

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What are these signs of infidelity in the male horoscope?
Venus and Neptune are (almost) always involved. Aside from other meanings, the Venus-Neptune combo points to illicite or secret (love-)affairs


The ruler of the 7th house cusp between 22°-23° Scorpio


The Part of Love (Ascendant + Venus - Sun) in the 1st house


Saturn/Black Moon midpoint = Venus (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 36.0)


Kronos/Vulcanus midpoint = Venus (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 36.00) or Venus/Vulcanus midpoint = Kronos (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 6.0). So, any midpoint configuration between Venus, Kronos and Vulcanus may be important!


Moon/Mean Moon's Node midpoint = Uranus (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 25.00)


Saturn/Black Moon midpoint = Moon (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 25.0)


Mars/Black Moon midpoint = Mean Moon's Node (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 25.0)


Venus/Pluto midpoint = Sun (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 25.0)


Moon/Neptune midpoint = Venus (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 18.0)


Pluto/Juno midpoint = Venus (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 18.0.0)


Venus/Vulcanus midpoint = Mean Moon's Node (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 18.0) or Venus/Mean Moon's Node midpoint = Vulcanus (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 16.0). So, any midpoint configuration between Venus, the Mean moon's Node and Vulcanus may be important!


Jupiter/Hades midpoint = Venus (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 16.0)


Pluto/Poseidon midpoint = Venus (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 16.0)


the ruler of the 6th house is in the 10th house (Chi Square 16.0)


Mars/Vulcanus midpoint = Venus (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 12.0)


Venus/Pallas midpoint = Neptune (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 12.0)


Neptune/Kronos midpoint = Moon (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 12.0)


Pluto/Pallas midpoint = Venus (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 12.0)


Venus/Chiron midpoint = Sun (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 12.0)


Juno/Hades midpoint = Venus (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 12.0)


Sun/Zeus midpoint = Venus (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 8.0)


Venus/Uranus midpoint = Mars (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 8.0)


Venus/Zeus midpoint = Black Moon (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 8.0)


Venus/Admetos midpoint = Chiron (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 8.0)


Venus/Poseidon midpoint = Juno (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 8.0)


Pluto/Chiron midpoint = Juno (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 8.0)


Pallas/Vulcanus midpoint = Venus (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 8.0)


Venus/Mars midpoint = Moon (8th harmonic; 45° dial; Chi square 6.0)


Sun/mean Moon's Node midpoint = Neptune (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 8.0)


Moon/Pluto midpoint = Venus (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 8.0)


Venus/Black Moon midpoint = Pluto (12th harmonic; 30° dial; Chi square 8.0)


the ruler of the 8th house is in Virgo (Chi Square 6.0)


the Moon is in Aries (the more so when opposite Neptune, orb 6°) (Chi square 8.0)


the Moon is in Pisces (Chi square 7.0)


the Moon in the 11th house (Chi square 13.0)


Jupiter is in Aquarius (Chi square 12.0)


the ruler of the 1st house is in Aquarius (Chi square 12.0)


the ruler of the 5th house (of love) is in Libra (Chi square 6.0)


the ruler of the 6th house is in the 10th house (Chi square 16.0)


the Moon is in the 11th house (Chi square 13.0)


Venus is in the 10th house (Chi square 9.0)


heliocentric Mars 40° heliocentric Pluto (Chi square 16.0)


the Moon and Neptune are in the 4th phase of 8 (Chi square 8.0)


the Sun 40° Mars (orb 1°!) (Chi square 10.0)


the Moon 144° Venus (orb 1°!) (Chi square 10.0)


any planet opposite the Sun (orb 3°) (Chi square 16.0)


Ceres conjunct the Mean North Node (orb 6°) (Chi square 16.0)


the ruler of the 5th house is in Libra (Chi square 6.0)


heliocentric Mars trine (120°) heliocentric Uranus (orb 3°) (Chi square 16.0)


Neptune trine (120°) the MC (orb 6°) (Chi square 16.0)


the Moon sextile (60°) Chiron (orb 6°) (Chi square 12.5)


Saturn parallel the Ascendant (orb 1°) (Chi square 12.5)


the Sun trine (120°) Jupiter (orb 6°) (Chi square 12.5)


Juno is retrograde (Chi square 7.1)


the following midpoints (orb 1°) found in the natal charts are also very significant:
the Sun sextile the Venus/Pluto midpoint (Chi square = 25!)
the Black Moon (the Mean Apogee of the Moon) semi-sextile the Jupiter/Saturn midpoint
the Sun semi-sextile the Mercury/Uranus midpoint
the Black Moon semi-sextile the Jupiter/Saturn midpoint (Chi square 20.0)
Venus square or semi-sextile the Mercury/Mean Moon's North Node midpoint (Chi square 16.0)
the Mean Moon's North Node Quintile (72°) the Pluto/Black Moon midpoint (Chi square 16.0)
the Moon's Node sextile the Saturn/Uranus midpoint
Neptune sextile the Venus/Mars midpoint (chi Square 16.0)
Mars Quintile (72°) the Venus/Black Moon midpoint (Chi square 16.0)


the following midpoints (8th harmonic, 45° degree modus or 45° dial; orb 1°) found in the natal charts almost always seem to bring unfaithfulness:
Jupiter = Venus/Saturn (8th harmonic; 45° dial). This midpoint alone, found in the natal chart of a male is enough a sign of infidelity!
Moon = Venus/Neptune AND/OR Neptune = Moon/Venus (8th harmonic; 45° dial) (so, actually any combination between the Moon, Venus and Neptune). The combo of these three factors points to someone who can be VERY easily seduced with consequences...
Black Moon = Venus/Pluto (8th harmonic; 45° dial)
any midpoint (8th harmonic; 45° dial) in which Venus, Neptune and the Black Moon (the Mean Apogee of the Moon) can be found
any other midpoint (8th harmonic; 45° dial) in which Venus and Neptune can be found and especially with Uranus, Pluto and/or the Black Moon
Sun/Zeus = Venus (8th harmonic; 45° dial) AND Sun/Hades = Venus (8th harmonic; 45° dial)
Sun/Kronos = Venus (8th harmonic; 45° dial) AND Sun/Zeus = Venus (8th harmonic; 45° dial)
Sun/Kronos = Venus (8th harmonic; 45° dial) AND Sun/Hades = Venus (12th harmonic; 30° dial)


of secondary importance but not to be neglected is the Aries Point (i.e. 0° Aries)/Venus midpoint, signifying all-love and love in general. No doubt that signs of cheating often can be deduced from too much "love" for far too much people...
Some important examples of indications of infidelity found time and again in the natal chart of males:
Black Moon = Venus/Neptune = Pluto
Neptune = Venus/Uranus
Black Moon = Neptune = Moon/Venus
Black Moon = Pluto = Venus/Neptune
Black Moon = 0° Aries/Venus


Our research is not yet finished. It never will. Every time we receive other data we'll check them with our current results and adjust the significant results when necessary. When we find other indications or signs of infidelity, we'll post them here.

Hope this will be of any help -- before you commit to someone too much!


Yes, yes, it was a big help. Must watch for them midpoints!

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lechien
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posted November 10, 2008 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
one must be totally obsessed to check all these midpoints...

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posted November 10, 2008 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Based on charts I've looked at:

-afflicted Neptunes
-mutable Moons in challenging aspect to other planets in mutable signs
-Mutable Sun sign (sorry!! of course not everyone with these influences is a cheater--I've just noticed a trend)

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posted November 10, 2008 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Based on charts I've looked at:

-afflicted Neptunes
-mutable Moons in challenging aspect to other planets in mutable signs
-Mutable Sun sign (sorry!! of course not everyone with these influences is a cheater--I've just noticed a trend)

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posted November 10, 2008 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
Lucia, all the above applies to my ex i mentioned. how funny!

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posted November 10, 2008 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
Kick It, the female list is much shorter and simply states:
* Mars is in Sagittarius (Chi Square = 25.0)!

* Heliocentric position of Venus 135° heliocentric position of Mars (Orb 3°) (Chi Square = 16.0)!

* the Moon is in Aries (Chi Square = 12.5)! This is the same indication found in the horoscopes of male cheaters.

The Moon in fiery and impulsive Aries, sign of excitation, seems to "favor" adultery for both sexes.

* Mars is in Capricorn (Chi Square = 12.5)

* Venus is in Aquarius (Chi Square = 8.0)

* the ruler of the 7th house is in Capricorn (Chi Square = 8.0)

Personally, I have Mars in Sagittarius but I've never cheated on anyone.

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posted November 10, 2008 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
the SHORT answer - nothing in a man's chart can MAKE him unfaithful!

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librasunleomoon
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posted November 11, 2008 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for librasunleomoon     Edit/Delete Message
thank you, katatonic
i have a lot of those cheating placements and i value and prize loyalty and dont cheat, and my guy has some too and i trust him deeply.
some things go beyond the chart, in the words of pirates of the caribbean theyre not rules theyre more like guidelines

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posted November 11, 2008 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
i doubt there is something specific that indicates cheating. maybe there might be trends in conj with the complete natal chart or transits but not an aspect on it's own.

take mr 23 for ex. Has Gem sun conj venus both opp by nep in sag. sounds dodgy eh?

well then look at the rest of the chart. fixed sign moon, ura, saturn, mars, merc and jupiter. Cap rising. does he sound like a cheater now? no!

i seriously dont think that mr 23 is a cheater based on his character. i'm not saying that it is never possible but i don't think he would be the type.

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posted November 11, 2008 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
one must be totally obsessed to check all these midpoints...

yup.. maybe after checking all those midpoints you are so deranged you go out and cheat yourself...

basically, my feelings is that if you are that paranoid why be with the guy!

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posted November 11, 2008 04:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Good lord. I don't think there's any way to find out through astrology if someone's going to cheat on you...not really.
Some people with the most 'sane, faithful, stable' charts I've ever met have cheated...repeatedly.

So I guess one never can tell. Just check for the usual: perfume, lipstick on the collar (or other places)... One girlfriend of mine found out her husband was cheating on her when he came home flustered, undressed, and his underwear was on *backwards*...with lipstick marks on it. What a dork.
Maybe there's an astrological aspects pointing to someone being bad at hiding cheating lol.

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posted November 11, 2008 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
LOL

of course cheating is a perspective. I mean it's not like you "own" the other person or anything... so therefore one could say "where's the fire?"

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posted November 11, 2008 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ramblintreeclimber     Edit/Delete Message
I'm really glad people don't use astrology as a stereotyping tool...

After reading Alvarella's post about the 3 cheaters I kinda had to laugh. My chart? pretty much mirrors cheater no. 2. Mars conj ascendant, square moon, venus opposite saturn, sun conjunct Chiron, and more. I have lots of the tell-tale cheater marks on my chart, but I have never cheated on anyone, nor has anyone cheated on me. I'd hate to have that kind of deception in my life, especially with those closest to me. I feel for you out there that go through that crap. It happens way too often.

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Sun: gemini
Moon: gemini
Rising: pisces

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posted November 11, 2008 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Seconding and reinforcing katatonic, 23 & MVM:

NOTHING IN *ANYONE'S* CHART CAN *MAKE* THEM DO ANYTHING.

The natal chart is a map of potentials -- nothing more.
The choices (bad or good) that ANYONE makes are a matter of emotional maturity and experience -- not a result of having Planet W in Sign X in House Y, or aspecting Planet Z.

Astrology cannot give you all the answers/reasons for someone's behavior, nor can it explicitly DEFINE someone's behavior.

My 2 cents.

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posted November 11, 2008 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for savanna20     Edit/Delete Message
I disagree. I have some of those placements and I am loyal to my last breath.

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posted November 11, 2008 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libralove09     Edit/Delete Message
i don't think ones natal chart is to do with it.

if astrology is going to be responsible for cheating, i don't think it will be because of a persons natal, more like some ones synastry to another, which prompts one to cheat or leave.

and then there is some who are plain motivated to cheat.

its like saying what astrology makes you responsible to be a serial killer? none does, your just a sick person influenced by outside forces.

also like asking what aspects make some one mentally crazy? none, its biological or unlucky.


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posted November 11, 2008 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine_lion     Edit/Delete Message
1. options
2. a hard ..........heart
3. too much money
4. too much time
5. illusions of grandeur
6. power issues
7. boating in lake st clair

whatever placements make this stuff happen.

now advise to stop it before it happens:

8. too much harping too little loving
9. don't send your man to work with a loaded gun (so to speak)
10. keep your feet nice
11. put a lil spice in your life
12. threaten him bi-monthy with Bobitz type stuff..please cross your eyes while doing this and look a lil crazy if you can
13. attend all work fuctions and look good doing it
14. love him
15. want him
16. let him know you are on medication
17. tape his phone conversations
18. hide his viagra...after counting


if he still cheats....it goes back to the first list...options, money...you know

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posted November 13, 2008 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
i think if there is a vagina in his face then hes capable of cheating. maybe if he has planets in aspects that spell out cheater in his natal chart maybe that too.

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posted November 13, 2008 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Iqhunk     Edit/Delete Message
<<NOTHING IN *ANYONE'S* CHART CAN *MAKE* THEM DO ANYTHING.

The natal chart is a map of potentials -- nothing more.
The choices (bad or good) that ANYONE makes are a matter of emotional maturity and experience -- not a result of having Planet W in Sign X in House Y, or aspecting Planet Z.

Astrology cannot give you all the answers/reasons for someone's behavior, nor can it explicitly DEFINE someone's behavior.>>

Absolutely true!

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