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Topic: What is the difference between the empathies of the Water signs?
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 13873 From: CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted November 11, 2008 11:12 AM
I'm just curious to see what people have to say about this. There's no doubt that all are empathetic, but it does seem like there are differences in style.IP: Logged |
wheelsofcheese Knowflake Posts: 1472 From: UK Registered: Jan 2008
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posted November 11, 2008 11:28 AM
Ooh, I like this question. I'll think about it tonight. IP: Logged |
Deliverance Knowflake Posts: 440 From: Bolloxville, Nutbush Registered: Mar 2005
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posted November 11, 2008 11:32 AM
Scorpio - Being able to go to the depths of things - Accessing the unconscious, having knowledge of what is not disclosed, getting to the heart of things to faciltate empathy. e.g. Rebirthing, PLR, Soul retrieval & psychotherapyPisces - Empathy gained through merging, experiencing the feelings of others (a sensitive). Art therapies (also Scorpio), using the body as a (temporary) medium e.g. Channeling, aura reading, psychometry.... Not sure about Cancer, perhaps reading emotions/moods of others? Using comfort & nurturing to create a "safe space" to facilitate an empathic exchange?
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Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 2761 From: Sacramento,California,USA Registered: Jul 2006
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posted November 11, 2008 02:35 PM
the watersigns are associated with sensitivity,emotions,nurturing,and the imagination. They are sensitive to emotional undercurrents Pisces is mutable water,and the emotions adapt to the environment..their emotional state automically adapts to the environment they are in Psychological Astrologer Glenn Perry said that it has do with the collective unconscious,being universal watersign Pisces tends to be emotional,psychic sponges for feelings in general especially Moon in Pisces actual fish are extremely vulnerable for they cannot survive out of the water. Just a bit of air can be very harmful to them. They are also the most sensitive creatures for they can sense vibrations in the water. Of course, if there is pollution in the water,they will be greatly harmed by it. They are very vulnerable creatures and can't protect themselves(except for creatures like barracudas,pirrhanas,and sharks),and so they have to swim away...if a person catches a fish takes it out of the water,it will tried to sliver out of the person's hands....you apply to Pisces...if there is negativity in the emotional atmosphere,the Pisces can easily absorb it can be detrimental to their psychological wellbeing. If confronted with something,the Pisces can be evasive which can manifest as lying or be daydreaming Scorpio is fixed water,and the emotions tend to fixed as in they hold onto them Psychological Glenn Perry said that it has to do with the social unconscious,being a social watersign Scorpio tends to be emotional,psychic sponge for feelings that are intense,sexual as well as do with taboo,abandonment,betrayal issues especially Moon in Scorpio actual scorpions are actually timid creatures that come out at night, and they usually don't harm others unless they are harmed,then they sting with their poisonous tail...apply that to Scorpios, they can be secretive,private and hide things to protect themselves...but once they are threatened,betrayed,hurt,they can lash out with great intensity. They can be vengeful. Cancer is cardinal water,and they tend to initiate emotional atmosphere. cardinal signs are associate with initiation. They tend to facilitate emotions through actions of nurturing. They can take things very personally,and they can "go in their shells" Psychological Astrologer Glenn Perry said that it has to do with the personal unconscious,being a personal watersign. especially Moon in Cancer It is also said that Moon in Cancer person's moons change according to the lunar phases. The actual crabs are very tender under a hard shell. Without the shell,they are very vulnerable and can die...they use their pincers to grab on and hold onto things....apply that to Cancers, they can be very protective and be like homebodies,territorial of their personal space,...if they are feeling like crap,they can hide it because they don't want to be seen as vulnerable, but once they let their emotions out, they can even be clingy and hold onto people,afraid of losing them which is connected to personal emotional concerns. they can be clannish too,can be afraid to let go of family. Of course being hurt by others can also lead them to retreat in emotional armor and stay behind it. keep in mind that the watersign placements can be modified by the rulers of the watersigns.....Moon(Cancer),Pluto(Scorpio),and Neptune(Pisces)and placements in the waterhouses, 4th,8th,12th
for instance all my watersign planets have watertype modifications Sun in Scorpio trine Moon,contraparallel Pluto Mercury in Scorpio parallel Neptune Venus in Scorpio parallel Neptune Moon in Pisces square Neptune,quincunx Pluto,conjunct 8th house ruler(Mars),trine my 12th house ruler(Sun) IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 13873 From: CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted November 11, 2008 08:02 PM
Keep it coming.IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 1168 From: Crowded House Registered: Nov 2005
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posted November 11, 2008 08:13 PM
I too like this question. Glaucus; that animal imagery is wonderful. Thought provoking. Speaking to the word itself [empathy] in the thread title, I googled to read many definitions. The one that helps define an astrologically inclined reply was this one - > Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives. Those three words may be applied to the three signs. To my mind the polar axis signs for each are in Earth; therefore: situation = 2H = Taurus. Polar opposite Scorpio may find empathetic strength in identifying with another's situation. The deep, dark secrets that we all have and rarely give voice to. The Scorpion has been there. he/she has delved into that place, so they recognize it in you. Feelings = 6H = Virgo. Polar opposite Pisces may empathize best as a feeling empath, knowing what you are feeling without words. Motives = 10H = Capricorn. The polar opposite Cancer understands your motives. They have an agenda too. Cardinally motivated to empathize with where you are, who you are, and where you want to be. A strong case can be made to play three card Monty with all three of these words. The opposing sign offers great clues to the empathy of water. a little water in Sin City
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heart cakes Knowflake Posts: 1561 From: canada Registered: Sep 2007
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posted November 11, 2008 08:28 PM
yeah and also notice the evolution from self to other. cancer, i think, takes things personally because of its cardinality. it wants to nurture and to feel safe, so when it is unable, it no longer feels safe and takes it personally. i guess to me this seems less sensitive than scorpio and taurus, in terms of being able to read feelings, because it will take something personally if it cannot help or nurture the situation. pisces, though, almost doesn't have a self because it feels others so much, and all the time. scorpio.. well it's a mystery to me!! i suppose its fixity keeps it holding on to emotions for the sake of understanding, releasing them, and transforming through them. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 13873 From: CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted November 11, 2008 08:39 PM
Anyone want to tackle which [water] sign has the best handle on its emotions?IP: Logged |
heart cakes Knowflake Posts: 1561 From: canada Registered: Sep 2007
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posted November 11, 2008 08:51 PM
i would say scorpio, at least in an outward way!! cancer is so dependent on others, and pisces is so often unaware they are soaking up others' feelings, while scorpio seems to have a strong emotional awareness and can manage themselves without revealing these deep feelings. if that is what you mean by "handle". but then again, within that fixity, there is a loss of perspective in a way, cuz the feelings can be so consuming. i know an 8 planet stellium in scorpio and he takes things SO personally and gets so very emotional. but it is only like once a month or something he will behave emotionally. the rest of the time he keeps a poker face.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 13873 From: CA, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted November 11, 2008 08:59 PM
I tend to agree with you on that.IP: Logged |
swirl-kitt Knowflake Posts: 239 From: Registered: Apr 2008
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posted November 11, 2008 09:03 PM
scorpios only share stuff that is worthy. IP: Logged |
haybelly Knowflake Posts: 230 From: The bigrock candy mountains Registered: Jul 2008
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posted November 11, 2008 09:07 PM
As a pisces I am so in tune with the vibes of the environment around me, it wears on my psyche. I usually have to retreat to the bathtub after really hard days to feel myself again.IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted November 11, 2008 09:12 PM
ohhhhhwell l see pisces merging like paint in water.. eventually becoming the glass of water with no differentation between the water and colour, as one which is where pisces ends and the other person they merge with starts. Cancer l see as l see my 7 yr old double cancerian son. He has sun/moon exact conjunct and he is very sensitive and perceptive in an almost grown up wise man way and yet when it all gets too much and he gets overwhelmed he reacts in a frustrated out of control way as if from the inside of his shell. He is incredibly sensitive. If he has a nightmare it is 10x worse than another childs, a feeling is 10x deeper. He has precision intuition, spotting a good person from a bad one a mile off. Compassion is the word for him, he is always concerned for everyone else in our family, putting himself last - and yet he needs us the most Scorpio pierce everything for me. They can pierce through any surface, wall, barrier as if it were just air. They do it to know more about you than you know about them, for this is their protection. If you ever know them better and they feel threatened by it, god help you! IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted November 11, 2008 09:15 PM
I don't agree.. with scorpio it is not a deep "awareness" it is a desperate survival tactic for protection I see straight through Scorpio and it's tactic, being taurean KEYWORD for scorpio is CONTROL to protect self KEYWORD for cancer is protect me so l can CONTROL myself KEYWORD for pisces is i'll take the lot, in bulk IP: Logged |
heart cakes Knowflake Posts: 1561 From: canada Registered: Sep 2007
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posted November 11, 2008 09:28 PM
i like your descriptions lara!what i meant by "awareness" is of others' feelings and motivations. and unlike pisces, being able to differentiate anothers' feelings from their own. and i agree with you about it being a tactic for self protection, but on another level, it is for the purpose of emotional transformation. when my man and i talk he is SO in tune with me. our moons are opposite (his scorpio, mine taurus). one time i broke down and started CRYING about something painful we were talking about (and i never cry in front of others), and he immediately knew how to help me feel better, cuz he understood my pain so well. it almost seems scorpio is so aquainted with pain (especially moon), that their purpose is to observe and feel it so deeply to understand it, to help others release it. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted November 11, 2008 09:30 PM
Thanks Heart Cakes Yeah, l agree with you on that one! Sorry if l misunderstood you... IP: Logged |
heart cakes Knowflake Posts: 1561 From: canada Registered: Sep 2007
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posted November 11, 2008 09:34 PM
oh hey groovy! btw, your double cancer sounds like SUCH a sweetheart!! IP: Logged |
taurusvirgoleolady1974 Knowflake Posts: 270 From: where I am Registered: May 2008
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posted November 11, 2008 09:46 PM
Definitely not Pisces. We are too emotional and too transparent, and feel too deep at that. We need some stability in our natal to offset that.IP: Logged |
enchantress299 Knowflake Posts: 235 From: Registered: Dec 2007
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posted November 11, 2008 09:52 PM
Right on Glaucius! I like that interp a lot.I personally think that Cancers actually are very sensitive to the feelings of others, moreso than Scorpios, partially because they are so sensitive to their own feelings. I've known them to be very helpful, kind, and considerate of feelings moreso than Scorpio or Pisces. That doesn't stop them from lashing out at you when they're hurt of course, and they often carry around extra baggage from past relationships or friendships, so they can get hurt very easily. I guess I don't usually take their anger personally because I know it's often a reflection of past hurts and baggage. Scorpios are empathic, but not in a hugely noticeable way. They'll sit down, have a coffee with you and let you delve deeply into your personal crap, but they often have an answer as to how they think you should do things and how the world would be better if they ran it (because they are fixed and this is the way it is). I don't think that's very empathic myself. There isn't only one way of doing things. Unfortunately, they are often correct in their assessment of you. I've had more than one Scorpio look at me bluntly and tell me what's what. Not bad friends to have really, but like I said, they are very fixed in their opinions. And yes, they are definitely the ones who have the best handle on their emotions, partially because they are stubborn and don't let them get too out of whack. They may hate you to the death, but that is something that WON'T change without A LOT of persuasion. In short, they aren't as "moody" as the other two signs. Pisces, because they are SOOOO attuned to others, often don't appear to display a lot of emotion on their facial features (not sure if anyone else has experienced this, but that's the way it seems to me). It's like they absorb all the emotion and internalize it and then spit it back out as a nod or an empathetic look... Except, to me, they don't usually look that genuine. For a long time I thought Pisces were fake for this reason (keep in mind, I'm a Virgo), but I've realized with my Pisces friend that he truly does empathize. It takes him longer to verbalize it, and this is usually because he is internalizing it and processing it. I think I finally figured it out when I was feeling really bad one night and no one else had really noticed, but he came and gave me a hug. I got it then. So what you said about Pisces taking emotional cues from the environment is probably true... ------------------ Virgo Sun/Aries Moon/Scorpio Rising IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted November 11, 2008 09:57 PM
I wonder just how deep Pisces really is. It takes focus to have depth and a confused River is never a deep one I have a sneaky suspicion that Pisces wants to Be deep but is too confused to ever feel depth Like her brother Scorpio. Cancer is too selfish to Be deep and Pisces too all over the place so Scorpio takes the crown! Thanks Heart cakes, he is an angel and he has Capricorn ac to deal with too! IP: Logged |
heart cakes Knowflake Posts: 1561 From: canada Registered: Sep 2007
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posted November 11, 2008 09:59 PM
enchantress, hmmm interesting thoughts on scorpio. the scorpio moon i was referring to has sun and mercury in his fourth house, so maybe some of his empathizing is more cancer related. i do find scorpios to be quite noble and full of integrity, though their opionions can often be very black or white (that self protection thing).IP: Logged |
mblover Knowflake Posts: 508 From: Registered: Nov 2007
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posted November 11, 2008 10:11 PM
It could be understood if you make an assumption that Water influenced people are Psychics.Past ** Cancer is a Psychic who knows your past. They will show the highest empathy towards your past issues. Present ** Scorpio is a Psychic who knows your present. They will show the highest empathy towards your present issues. Future ** Pisces is a Psychic who knows your future. They are the garbage can of the Zodiac. So, they will show empathy towards everything. But, they will give the highest empathy towards your upcoming future events. IP: Logged |
Dazzled Knowflake Posts: 38 From: It's a Fine City. Registered: Apr 2008
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posted November 11, 2008 10:11 PM
If you were hurt, a Piscean would be like water and merge with you and heal all your wounds by assimilation. A cancer would build a warm space over you to nurture and shield you. A Scorpio would hand you a sword and be a steel backing for you, to keep you upright and standing. But not before he determines what type of sword you need first.
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kfn327 Knowflake Posts: 241 From: California / Neptune Registered: Sep 2007
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posted November 11, 2008 10:12 PM
Here's my two cents . . .My mama is a Leo/Scorpio. I'm an Aries/Pisces. My mom is a lot more discriminating in her empathy than I am -- for example, I can empathize with criminals easier than she can. But two of my good friends (one Leo/Cancer, the other Cancer/Cancer) are even more empathetic than me. IP: Logged |
mblover Knowflake Posts: 508 From: Registered: Nov 2007
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posted November 11, 2008 10:12 PM
Dazzled, very well said!IP: Logged | |