posted November 11, 2008 12:23 PM         

The thing is that the heliocentric Chiron Nodes are near 29 degrees Libra/Aries

for instance, at the time of my birth,
the heliocentric Chiron Nodes were in 28'59 Libra/Aries:
conjunct/oppose my Geocentric North Chiron Node in 29'38 Libra
oppose/conjunct my Geocentric South Chiron Node in 28'38 Aries
conjunct/oppose my Geocentric North Mercury Node in 29'36 Libra
square my Geocentric North Saturn Node in 29'42 Cancer
semisquare my Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo - '32
Eros in 29'08 Libra (an asteroid named after Greek God of Love)
Freia in 29'09 Libra (an asteroid named after Norse Goddess of Love)

it also just dawned on me that my current Solar Return Moon in 28'52 Libra also conjuncts/opposite the heliocentric Chiron Nodes

at the time of my birth,
The heliocentric Uranus Nodes were in 13'52 Gemini/Sagittarius
and so they square my Ascendant with 25 minutes of arc
but
that also means they are also in 8th harmonic aspects(semisquare,sesquiquadrate) to the heliocentric Chiron Nodes

The North Node of Chiron is close to 29 degrees of Libra, so this point in a horoscope could reflect an association (North Node) with woundedness (Chiron) in a relationship (Libra). http://www.bristolastrology.net/bsa/asteroid_nodes.html

CHIRON NODES express care for the wounded soul, lessons learnt or taught.
URANUS NODES show clever, inventive and freedom-loving traits and determined self-will. http://www.astrologycosmobiology.com.au/planetary_nodes.html

I can see why Magi Society believe that Chiron has to do with marriage. I don't agree with their concept of Chiron as marriage though.
I can see how Martin Lass could come up with Chiron as rulership of Libra. I don't believe Chiron rules any sign.....especially when Chiron has many fellow centaurs in our solar system. There are over 40 centaurs in our solar system,and over 10 of them have names.
interesting to note that modern astrologers that use outerplanets assign the modern rulership of Scorpio to Pluto. Scorpio happens to be Pluto's Perihelion sign. Eris' Perihelion is in Libra. Will Eris be considered the ruler of Libra? hmmmmmmm
Some astrologers see Chiron as a maverick. Some Astrologers believe that Chiron has to do with Astrology too.

So maybe planets,points in the 29th degree of a sign have the aforementioned issues,lessons because they aspect the Chiron Nodes

planets,points in the 29th degree of Aries,Libra,Cancer,Capricorn can be even more because of their angular axis aspects(conjunction,opposition,square) to the heliocentric Chiron Nodes and their 8th harmonic aspects (semisquare,sesquiquadrate) to the heliocentric Uranus Nodes.

Of course planets,points in the 13 degrees of mutable signs(Gemini,Virgo,Sagittarius,Pisces) can have their difficulties that include much instability,unpredictability because of their angular axis aspects(conjunction,opposition,square) to the heliocentric Uranus Nodes.
They also can be involved with woundedness,healing matters because of the 8th harmonic(semisquare,sesquiquadrate) to the heliocentric Chiron Nodes.

as for Astrology in connection to Uranus
at the time of my birth,
the heliocentric Stargazer Nodes(yes...there is an asteroid called Stargazer) were in 13'43 Pisces/Virgo
oppose/conjunct my Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo

That means that the heliocentric Stargazer Nodes are square the heliocentric Uranus Nodes and in 8th harmonic aspects(semisquare,sesquiquadrate) to the heliocentric Chiron Nodes as well as the 29th degree of Aries,Libra,Cancer,Capricorn. That could be why Astrology is associated with Uranus and some astrologers associate it with Chiron. Stargazer Nodes and Uranus Nodes can be about Astronomy too.

Raymond

posted November 11, 2008 02:46 PM           

my Mercury is at 29 deg. Sagittarius and I strive to utilize my intellect, knowledge, and all forms of communication to grow and pulll myself out of the holes I dig..but it's really hard to do that. I have a LOT to learn.

I was also born on the 29th day of the month (December). Hmm..

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

posted November 11, 2008 03:02 PM         

I have helio chiron @ 29' pisces and venus @ 1' aries!
Geocentric chiron @1' aries!

posted November 11, 2008 03:14 PM         

I was born on October 29th myself

In Chaldean Numerology, 29 is the Number of Job. I read that it had do with trials,tribulations which can especially come from the opposite sex. But if they are dealt with integrity,there can be great rewards ...just like with Job in the Bible.

Hans Decoz interprets

29 It is the same as 11. See "The Master Numbers." More serious and less social.
11 See "The Master Numbers." Highly intuitive, even psychic, this Master number is a channel between the sub-conscious and the conscious mind. Highly charged. Can be neurotic.

29th Birthday:
You are highly intuitive and creative.
Your mind thinks in pictures. You seem to draw information and ideas from out of the sky.
Your intuition is your gift, along with a powerful drive to know the Oneness of all things. You are so driven by spiritual pursuits that no matter what you do in life, the world of spirit and philosophy will be central to your daily behavior. You feel linked with the larger universal forces, and nothing will change that.
You have a fine mind and keen insights, but these do not come as a result of logic or rational thought. You are more likely to direct your life by inspiration, rather than by calculated reflections.
On some level, you know that you are in the hands of destiny, and that you must surrender to the higher powers that shape your life. You are usually a late bloomer. Your early and middle 30s tend to be years spent in apprenticeship and slow development. During this period, you can become frustrated with your progress, or the apparent lack of it.
You need to develop faith. You are a highly charged person with much to do, but you must develop character and sound judgment before you begin to tap your true potential. Just as a tree needs roots to grow tall, so, too, do you need to develop depth of character in order to begin to expand in the ways you desire and ultimately envision.
Your highly developed intuition makes you a wonderful counselor, healer, or health practitioner. You have a gift for inspiring people. Many people admire you without your knowing it. You are a visionary, and others sense your wisdom.
You are acutely sensitive and easily influenced by your surroundings. You love beauty and harmony. You crave social interaction and much attention. You can be very emotional, often experiencing extremes of happiness and sadness. You are usually too easily hurt.
You get depressed easily and feel the lack of confidence during times you are in a dark mood.
Despite your sensitivity, you possess leadership abilities. You are modest, diplomatic and polite. You have the ability to persuade, and can be quite forceful.
Your high sensitivity to others makes you compassionate, kind, and gentle. You have an opportunity for fame and success as long as you do not pursue either as your gods. Look for ways to help others and convey a larger message, with which you were blessed. This will bring you the material and social fruits you desire. http://www.decoz.com/BdCard29.htm

also

it's possible that you can use the 29th harmonic chart to check out trials and tribulations as well as where you can have great rewards after dealing with them and resolving them

just noticing my conjunctions in the 29th harmonic:
these could indicate strong karmic factors that involve trials,tribulations,and rewards for exercising integrity to deal with those trials,tribulations

posted November 11, 2008 03:34 PM         

Is that karmic please?

I believe everything in the chart is karmic actually
it just varies

now looking at what you listed

your heliocentric chiron 29 pisces can be considered highly karmic, and it also aspects the heliocentric Chiron nodes

posted November 12, 2008 04:08 AM         

are you saying helio chiron nodes and the uranus ones are always at the same place?

posted November 13, 2008 05:06 AM           

would this translate as me (sun) internally needing to release past hurts and wounds?? if so, how would I work out which wounds ie relating to what?

love your insights glaucus by the way, you always have such interesting posts.

posted November 13, 2008 05:17 AM           

I am wondering if you have some gift of clairvoyance (29th degree). The way you write about many things here seems to be more than just Astrology.

posted November 13, 2008 11:36 AM         

Yeah....heliocentric nodes of all heavenly bodie move far slower than outerplanets. That's why heliocentric nodes are considered to be pertaining to the collective. the geocentric nodes of Jupiter and objects beyond that are considered to be pertaining to collective too,and they are very slow moving, but all the heliocentric nodes are far slower moving than them.

"either way I have a 29 degree cancer sun and jupiter 29 degree taurus. I cant really say I know this is manifesting Ive got alot of other indicators of lessons from many aspects and placements throughout my chart. very frustrating"

So your Sun squares the heliocentric Chiron Nodes which indicate ego,self expression(Sun) in friction(square) with associations,connections(Nodes)that involve healing,woundedness. A strong Chirotic influence overall. The wounded healer.
This also means that your Sun is in 8th harmonic to the Uranus Nodes too...so associations,connections in regards to independence,unconventional,innovative,and all other things that Uranus rules.

Your Jupiter semisextiles/quincunx the Chiron Nodes....so expansion,optimism,judgment linked to assocations,connections that involve healing,woundedness

I am not really sure if the last degree of sign is significant because of 29 number itself or the aspects to the heliocentric Chiron Nodes which are located around 29 degrees Aries/Libra and 8th harmonic aspects to the heliocentric Uranus Nodes. That can all be connected...the synchronicity.

Here is an article by Carl Tobey Payne who was an astrologer that advocated the use of heliocentric planetary nodes in Astrology

Correspondence Course in Astrology
by Carl Payne Tobey
Lesson #14
Analytical Interpretation

In opening a discussion of the interpretation of planetary aspects, it is necessary to introduce the planetary nodes. The majority of the astrologers of the early part of the twentieth century have ignored these nodes, although they were very important to the ancients, as is indicated by the terms "Dragon's Head and Dragon's Tail applied to the north or ascending node and the south or descending node of the Moon. Today we call them the lunar nodes.
It is quite easy to understand why they are ignored when we realize that these astrologers were trying to bridge the gap to what was fashionable in the world of so-called science. They were trying to adjust to the environment They were trying to fit their subject into the errors of scientific style. Like so many other things, scientific theories and hypotheses come and go, live for a day and die. At that time, it was popular to think in terms of the ether of Sir Oliver Lodge, in terms of vibrations and waves. So astrologers had to explain their subject in terms of ether, vibrations and waves. It was pointed out that when light reached the place or point of a planetary node, there was nothing there for light to bounce against, and so light went right on. How could a mathematical point have an effect? And so the nodes were forgotten and ignored.
Grant Lewi placed great emphasis on the nodes. Statistics of RCA Communications, Inc., in connection with their research dealing with the correspondence that exists between planetary motion and magnetic disturbances that interfere with shortwave radio reception, placed emphasis on the nodes. Letters from two astrologers unknown to each other asked us the same question. Did we know why people born with the Sun near 13-Gemini or 13-Sagittarius seemed to have so much difficulty in making marriage a success? Of course, this meant success according to orthodox standards which are quite inadequate, but it was interesting to note that each astrologer had unconsciously called the exact position of the nodes of the planet Uranus (Individual Reform Guide and Seventh House principle). Marriage is difficult where this principle is concerned because marriage is a Man-made inst;itution that was molded in ignorance of this principle. When he wrote the Ten Commandments General Moses had his intellectual limitations.

Our own statistical investigations gradually led to indications that mere mathematical points (we will supplement this term later), the planetary nodes, are more important than the planets themselves, and this was the beginning of our realization that an entirely new conception of astrology was essential, an astrology unlimited and unhampered by the dogma of modern scientific hypotheses. When you deal with mathematical points, mathematical lines and mathematical planes which can have no material counterpart, you are in the realms of mathematics and abstraction. A mathematical point has no dimensions. A mathematical line has but one dimension. A mathematical plane has but two dimensions. There is no material counterpart until you reach three dimensions, and when you go on to a fourth dimension, you again have no material counterpart. You have again entered the world of abstraction.
You can use a pencil to illustrate a mathematical line, but it is inaccurate, because a pencil line has width and therefore two dimensions. You can use a sheet of paper to illustrate a plane, but it is inaccurate because the paper has thickness and is three dimensional.
We were approachIng our later view that astrology could not be a causal phenomenon; but must be considered as a matter of mathematical expression. We cannot exp1ain why snowflakes and crystals follow the same pattern that bees follow when building the cells of their hives (the hexagon) except to say that the whole thing is a matter of abstract mathematical expression. Although the hexagon is the most economical means of building these cells, we can hardly visualize each hive of bees employing intellectual bees who labor over a drawing board computing the mathematics of what shaped room would require the least wall space to house the greatest content. Neither can we say that snowflakes cause bees to build six-sided cells. Nor can we say that snowflakes freeze in six-sided fashion because they are copying the bees. Yet a hexagon room enclosed by 60 feet of wall will contain over 259 square feet of floor area, while a square room enclosed by the same amount of wall will contain but 225 square feet of floor space. A room shaped as an equilateral triangle with 60 feet of wall will contain only 141 square feet of area. Of course, a circular room would contain a greater ratio of area to enclosure, but you can't fit circular rooms together. The more equal sides a room has, the greater the floor area, but if a room has more than six sides, you can't fit the rooms together. Among polygons of equal sides you can fit together only hexagons, squares and triangles.
Mathematically, the bee would appear further advanced than Man. He builds warehouses out of hexagonal shaped rooms while Man builds warehouses out of square or rectangular rooms. We find a strange parallel in the fact that the ancient astrologers regarded planetary aspects based on parts of hexagons as harmonious and aspects based on parts of squares as discordant. The sextile aspect is merely one side of a hexagon, while a trine aspect is one side of an equilateral triangle or two sides of a hexagon. An opposition aspect can be considered as either two squares or three sides of a hexagon, and oddly, astrologers have disagreed as to whether the opposition aspect is harmonious or discordant. It has been our experience that the aspect brings tension, problems and worries while forming, but produces CHANGE that solves the problems and gives re-lief while separating. If there is any astrological symbolism behind the six-pointed star of the Jewish church and the four-point cross of the Christian church, then one would appear to Indicate harmony and the other discord. Yet, the advanced astrologer realizes that the l, 10, 7, 4 House Cross (Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius, Taurus) is something that can be transcended through understanding and higher knowledge or wisdom, while those astrologers who look upon the story of Christ as symbolism see Christ, not as a man but as an abstract principle. To them, it is the rise of the individual above materialism and into the abstract realms. Whether Christ ever lived as a man is beside the point. The principle is the same.
Just as astrology is concerned with geometrical and therefore mathmatical figures, we find these figures throughout the mineral world. Different minerals are made up of crystals of different geometrical patterns. Not all minerals follow the hexagonal pattern. Salt crystals form the square or 90-degree angle. This is true of other minerals, but the hexagonal pattern is quite common. The crystal mines of Arkansas seem to show everything in accord with the hexagonal prinqiple. Where erosion had washed away a patch of a lava bed at the floor of the Grand Canyon, we found petrifted wood covered by hexagonal crystals. At the Spring Creek Ranch in the Texas Panhandle are found strange objects composed of calcite an inch thick and two inches in diameter that are in the form of a perfect hexagon. They are said to be a hang over from the Triassic Age, which was the earliest period of the Mesozoic Era. By careful selection,you could pave a bathroom floor with these strange objects, but most of them have other hexagons growing out of them at various angles. A geode is a strange object of nature that looks like an egg and is shaped like an egg. Their is a location near Mammouth Arizona, where these eggs lying on top of the ground in quantity over an area of ten or more square miles. These are agate geodes. They are white on the outside like an egg. Originally, they appear to have been mere shells, but from the inner surface grow crystals until the object finally becomes a solid. A hollow ultimately becomes a solid. Where does the material come from? Or does material need to come from some place? When it is ready to appear it seems to appear. Astronomers are trying to learn how matter appears or forms in space. How does it appear or form in the hollow of these geodes?
An astrological aspect is merely an abstract geometrical measurement. True, it is sometimes a measurement between two material objects, but this need not be true. It can be a measurement between a planet and a mathematical point, or a measurement between two mathematical points where there is nothing whatsoever of a material nature. It can still have its counterpart in human affairs.
Because the planetary nodes are even more important than the planets tnemselves, it is important that you understand what a planetary node is. Remember that we used imaginary embroidery hoops to illustrate two planes of space. Put one hoop inside the other, twist one so that one hoop crosses the other at two points. Look at the hoops from above that point where they cross and you see an X. The point where the two hoops cross is the node. The other point where they cross is also a node. It is customary to call one point the north node, the other point the south node.
What we call the north node of a planet is that point where the orbit of a planet crosses the plane of the earth's orbit as the planet goes north. The south node is the other point, and when the planet crosses the south node, it is traveling southerly.
Actually, no planet ever crosses the earth's orbit. It crosses the plane of the earth's orbit, Therefore it is not strictly true to consider these factors as mathematical points. When referring to a node, an astronomer means that mathematical point where the plane of a planet cuts the earth's orbit, but we could as well consIder the node that mathematical point where the plane of the earth's orbit cuts the planetary orbit. These two points would not be the same in space. One would be at the orbit of the earth while the other would be at the orbit of the planet. However, if we draw a straight line from the Sun to the mathematical point that is furthest away from the Sun, it would of necessity have to pass through the other mathematical point. Thus, the important factor with which we deal becomes not a mathematical point, but a mathematical line drawn from the Sun in opposite directions to infinity. The plane of the earth's orbit and the plane of the planetary orbit join all the way along the line.
As computed today, the planetary nodes are considered as heliocentric, those points where the above described line crosses the earth's orbit. However, if we use these points as if they were geocentric, they appear to work. This is easy to understand if we consicer that we are dealing with mathematical lines instead of mathematical points. Now, we can draw a new set of lines with the earth as the center to those points where the line above described reaches infinity and their direction must be exactly the same as the direction from the Sun. Such a conception justifies us in using the planetary nodes in our zodiac just as they are given in heliocentric longitude.
This view might also completely justify Hugh MacCraig and others who are employing heliocentric positions in the earth zodiac.
We know from experience that when the nodes are employed in this fashion they function. We do not know whether they will also function when located by Iines from the earth as a center to those points where the nodal line crosses the earth's orbit, for these points have never been calculated and published. A student well schooled in mathematics is now calculating these positions, however, and we hope it will ultimately be possible to publish them for experimental purposes.
It becomes vital to know the zodiacal position of the planetary nodes. The position of the north lunar node is given in the ephemeris. The south lunar node will be at the opposite zodiacal point. The Sun is not involved in this calculation, because the Moon goes around the earth. The point where the two orbits cross is itself in motion, and it circumvents the entire circle of the zodiac in 19 years.
The planetary nodes have a similar motion, but it is too slow to be significant within a lifetime. The nodes of Mercury circle the zodiac once in something over 171,000 years, while the nodes of Uranus make the trip in about 40,000 years. Oddly, the nodes of some of the outer planets appear to move more rapidly than those of the inner planets. In any event, however, no planetary node moves a degree within 100 years, so you can use the present nodal positions as close enough for any living being. Present north nodal positions are as follows:
MERCURY 17 TAURUS
VENUS 16 GEMINI
MARS 19 TAURUS
JUPITER 9 CANCER
SATURN 23 CANCER
URANUS 13 GEMINI
NEPTUNE 11 LEO
PLUTO 19 CANCER
Planets aspecting these points, or even the lunar nodes aspecting these points, have significance. To have a body conjunct or square the node of a planet appears to be more important than to have it conjunct the planet itself. The node of Mars will show up strongly where violence and surgery is involved. In fact, we have found but one case of a hysterectomy to date where the woman did not have a planet (any planet) conjunct or square to Mars' nodes That one case had Mars conjunct the node of Saturn. During a class, a protest against this statement was introduced by the wife of a physician. As a result, all the students were requested to accumulate all the cases of hysterectomies they could find, and try and locate a case where this was not true. Many birth dates involving hyster- ectomies were produced. There was no case among them where some natal planet was not conjunct or square the nodes of Mars. That does not mean there are no such cases, and you might find one, but when you do, please send it to us. In fact, it will be very helpful to our research department if you will send in the birth dates ofall the people you know who have found hysterectomies necessary. The data will be very welcome.
Planets conjunct or square the nodes of Saturn have a depressive correspondence, while planets conjunct or square the nodes of Uranus have a very restless and rebellious spirit. The functioning seems to be similar to aspects of the planets themselves but more pronounced.
The north node of a planet is also called the ascending node, while the south node is called the descending node. No one has yet prepared symbols for the planetary nodes, and if we invented symbols and placed them in each horoscope, the charts would become rather crowded, but you can compare them with each chart you draw. You don't have to worry or be concerned about their motion, except for the lunar nodes which are given in your ephemeris. Another experience was important in our dropping any conception of astrology as a causal phenomenon. The ancients placed great emphasis on the occurrence of mportant events at the time of an eclipse of the Sun or Moon, and having observed many world shaking events that occurred near the time of an eclipse, we set out to investigate this statistically. We found many events that occurred near the time of an eclipse, but we also found many important events that occurred at other times. Eclipses can occur only when the Sun is conjunct or within about 15 degrees of a lunar node.
Our statistical investigations showed that most of the important world events which occurred when there was no eclipse took place when the Sun was square the lunar nodes. Thus, it would appear to have nothing to do with the eclipses, because there can be no eclipse when the Sun is squre the lunar nodes, but the results are the same.
Statistics also show that loss-of-life through fire increases when the Sun or Uranus is conjunct or square the lunar nodes. Yet, there is no increase in the number of fires during these periods. Our investigation included all the fires in the U.S. and Canada where the material loss was over $100,000, over an eight year period. The data were furnjshed by the National Fire Protection Association which publishes all such data for insurance companies. Nearly all the "famous" fires took place when the Sun or Uranus was conjunct or square the lunar nodes, but "famous" fires are those where loss-of-life is heavy.
It is our considered view that what is here involved is human instability. Human instability reaches its maximum when the Sun and lunar nodes are 0 and 90 degrees apart, its minimum when they are 45 or 135 degrees apart. At the maximum, people panic more easily. A very great ratio of loss-of-life through fire takes place during the night among people who are sleeping in strange surroundings as in a hotel. If they awaken in strange surroundings during an unstable period to find the building on fire, they seem to know what to do. They think clearly. But if the same thing happens during an unstable period, they are confused and they panic bringmg about their own deaths. Hotel fires which occurred during stable periods have seldom involved loss-of-life, but hotel fires occurring during the unstable intervals have resulted in very heavy loss-of-life.
At other times, people seem able to relax and maintain calmness, not all people, the majority, but during these unstable periods, people feel something has to be done about something right away. The result is that not only most wars have begun at such times, but most peace treaties have been signed at such times. Many men of great genius are born at these times.
Watch Congress! Its members can argue for months, but let one of these periods come along and they pass bills fast and furiously. If an election happens to be held at such a time, the result always seems to be the opposite of what people expect it to be. Any student who is interested in history will find it very interesting to see how world events have always coincided with these intervals of instability. Modern man knows nothing about such cycles, but the ancients were conscious of them. The ancient Chinese executed two astrologers because they were lax in their duty and failed to predict an eclipse. The ancients paid great attention to eclipses, but we have no evidence that they knew about the 90-degree angle of instability as well.
We suggest the possibility that heart attacks are more frequent at those times when we are at the apex of human instability. No statistical work has been accomplished in this direction, but newspapers often carry the news of the death or heart attacks of prominent persons at these times. Both of President Eisenhower's attacks came at such times.
From somewhere has come the tradition that for a planet to be conjunct the north node is favorable while a planet conjunct the south node is unfavorable. Over the years, we have been unable to find one iota of confirmation for this conception. We have been unable to find any evidence that the two nodes differ in any way. The results appear to be exactly the same.
The important turns during war time seem to accompany these points of instability. An inspection of history will verify this.
We must not lose sight of the fact that the zodiacal signs themselves and the astrological houses are based on nothing but mathematcal points. They are purely abstract. They are based on nodes, the crossing of planes. The zodiac is determined by the nodes where the plane of the earth's orbit and that of the earth's equator cross. The astrological houses are based on the nodes where the plane of the earth's orbit and that of the horizon cross. Theso two nodes are the ascendent and the descendent of the horoscope. In our procedure, we place the other house cusps at equal 30-degree intervals in the plane of the earth's orbit.
In interpreting planetary aspects, it is well to first see how the planets are situated in their relation to the nodes. You should check each planet in its relation to each node. After that, you should check each planet in its relation to every other planet. Do not limit your inspection to the 0 and 90 degree aspects to the nodes. Pay attention to the 60 and 120 degree aspects (sextile and trine) also. These appear to be very helpful. http://mysite.verizon.net/bonniehill/pages.aux/astrology/tobey/tobey.14.html

I have a quite bit of Heliocentric Planetary Node Actvity in my chart using the 2 degree orb
I also included Eris because it's a fellow dwarf planet of Pluto,and its even larger than Pluto. Both now classed as Plutoids.

Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio

Mercury in 18'20 Scorpio
conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Mercury Nodes in 17'59 Taurus/Scorpio
conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Mars Nodes in 19'20 Taurus/Scorpio
trine/sextile Heliocentric Pluto Nodes in 19'55 Cancer/Capricorn

Venus in 21'47 Scorpio
trine/sextile Heliocentric Saturn Nodes in 23'25 Cancer/Capricorn

Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo
square Heliocentric Uranus Nodes in 13'51 Gemini/Sagittarius
sesquiquadrate/semisquare heliocentric Chiron Nodes in 28'59 Libra/Aries - '32

Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini
conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Uranus Nodes 13'51 Gemini/Sagittarius
sextile/trine Heliocentric Neptune Nodes in 11'28 Leo/Aquarius

You can calculate your planetary,minor planet nodes here http://www.megadelfi.com/~jonathan/pos/

posted November 13, 2008 11:41 AM         

I am not sure about 29th degree being clairvoyance. There could be other indicators for clairvoyance too .....The stuff that I wrote about has to do with astrology...the study of heavenly bodes in correlation with earth affairs. I think my ability to be insightful is reflected by the heliocentric nodal activity listed. I also have other stuff...like the strong water...Scorpio(Sun,Mercury,Venus),Pisces(Moon) influence

I was born on the 29th of October which always correlates with Sun conjunct/oppose Eris Nodes in Taurus/Scorpio(both heliocentric and geocentric nodes)

As you know, Saturn is the planet of physical boundaries. Once you get beyond Saturn, you get into the metaphysical(which means beyond the physical) Uranus is liberation from the physical boundaries...Neptune is dissolving the physical boundaries,....once you get past Neptune, you get to the transneptunians which can be about the destruction of physical boundaries and the unknown,death,transformation,rebirth in general. These energies can be very difficult to handle on the physical plane,and I believe that they could manifest into physical and or mental health problems. They could even manifest as neurodivergence (Autism,Aspergers,Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,AD/HD) which isn't necessarily a problem if you look at it from the perspective of neurodiversity as well as consider that thinking outside the box,viewing things from alternative angles can help with creativity,art,and/or innovation. All of these things can be good in a way because many people who go through these hard experiences become advocate,activists,healers,therapists,coaches,advisor,and/or help people in some way as well as can even lead them to be insightful. They can even be motivated to be very spiritual. That's how I am with my own Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,AD/HD.

I have a lot of transneptunian activity in my chart that include not only Sun contraparallel Pluto with 45 minutes of arc

but also the following which can be calculated at astro.com

keywords for them here (Astronomically-oriented astrologer, Philip Sedgwick finds keywords by looking at the orbital symbolism of the object that also includes the nodes and the perihelion/aphelion axis)...I also use the Sabian Symbol placements for clues too http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

Eris in 12'15 Aries Retrograde
sextile Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini
quincunx Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo
biquintile Mercury - '06
A New Dwarf Planet (okay Plutoid): Eris (136199 / 2003 UB313)
Orbital Period: 556.65 yr., has lunar companion, 4th brightest KBO (Pluto #1), 3000 km diameter? (Pluto is estimated at 2320 Km).
Some preliminary keywords for Eris follow:
Positive - liberation from addictions to success or status, clear priorities regarding matters of love and money, finally getting you can't take it with you and applying full resourcefulness in life, recognition of the potency of one's energy and life force, clear sense of the sacred marriages: spirit to body, self to Creator, between soulful companions, personal sense of emergence.
Negative - greed, workaholism, believe that you must take over for God, general sense of being forsaken, condemned or abandoned, lack of spiritual regard for life, superficial, status oriented.
Mundane: promises and vows (both kept and broken), elections and election fraud, intervention by higher powers (troubleshooters, authorities, deity or God), using chaos and disruption as a method of reorganization - i.e., dumping a closet onto the floor, then reorganizing, things that overturn, the scales of justice, battles, disputes, famine, fightings, lawlessness (attributed to her moon, Dysnomia), lies, manslayings, murders, oath, oblivion, quarrels - and the last word therein, sorrows and toil, contention, rivalry, loved the spilling of blood on the battlefield, the fifth day of the month, gluttony, gloating, the nurse of war, women wearing men’s uniforms (sports players, women in the military, astronauts)
Ceremonial: capitulation ceremonies, vows to create order from chaos, intent to right wrongdoing, abundance ceremonies

Haumea in 11'16 Virgo
conjunct Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo
square Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini
Haumea (Santa Claus /136108 / 2003 EL61)
Orbital Period: 285.31 yr., with a moon., 3rd brightest KBO (Pluto #1), orbital period w/Moon about 3.9 hours, cigar shaped object because of fast rotational period, 1200 km diameter? Hawaiian creation goddess.
Positive: Soulful confidence, an unshakeable personal inner knowing, creative, regenerative. Able to reconstruct, redefine, transform, especially regarding consciousness, willfulness and restoring rock solid integrity. Supportive. Fostering. Fertile. Creative.
Negative : Insecure and attention demanding. Dramatic. Egocentric. A bully disposition. Forces head-on collisions. Claims martyrdom and sacrifice to secure attention. Willing to attach to someone else’s momentum or allowing dependent sorts to attach to one’s efforts for self benefit (using non-paid volunteers, fans, devotees).
Mundane: Self awareness programs. Portraits and or caricatures. “Spin” as in political or media framing of events. Affinity or family bonds with those similar in nature. The Hula. The big island of Hawaii. Storm warnings to sailors in form or rainbow. Lava cooling in the sea to make land. Creation, fertility, childbirth and sisterhood. Verbal affirmations. Body sacrifice. Entourages. Groupies.
Ceremonial: Hulas, regeneration ceremonies, affirmations. Soul-based capitulation ceremonies (surrendering ego to spirit). Ceremonies in which a mask is removed (unmasking of the great Hopi kachina Saquasohuh).
Lunar bodies contributing to keywords: Hi’iaka, Namaka.

Makemake in 16'20 Leo
square Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio
Makemake (Easter Bunny / 136472 / 2005 FY9)
Orbital Period 309.00 yr., 2nd brightest KBO (Pluto #1), 1,250 km diameter? From Rapa Nui. Pronounced maki-maki.
Positive: Articulate and ultra-communicative. Self-assuredness, especially by verbal means. Clever, quick-witted and interested in invoking insight and inspiration with speech. Quick to report findings, regardless of impact. Courageous, possessing the willfulness to confront the peril required for discovery or spiritual evolution. Conscious of family security and safety. Protection of the brood.
Negative: Cunning and verbally manipulative. Double talk. Diversion of facts. Declaring false findings (laying an egg, so to speak). Taking flight to avoid consequence. Hiding as a coping skill. Reckless. Disregard for safety of the home. Self-serving.
Mundane: Data collection to support a doctrine or cause. Books, especially those of multi-cultural interest. Translation especially with a cross-cultural theme. Cultural synthesis. Integration of tasks. Computer iterations and/or algorithms. Dissemination of information whether true or false. Split second decisions. Lightning fast assessment. Fertility and fertility procedures. Birds. Fans. Eggs. Creeds. Documents of self declaration - affirmation statements, bios or autobiographies, a feather in one’s cap, selecting a safe location for nesting.
Ceremonial: Incantations. Oral remedies for healing. Meditations to unify the minds of several. Isolation for ceremonial purposes. Shamanic retreat. Cave ceremonies. Ceremonies involving hair cutting. Personal acceptance of one’s cause and karma. Ceremonies involving the use of feathers or eggs (feather fans, Eagle feather cleansing, the egg diagnostics of curanderos and curanderas - common in Ecuador, one of Rapa Nui’s neighbors).

Other Dwarf Planet Candidates

Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio
conjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
trine Moon in 3'11 Pisces
Ixion: Father of the Centaurs, and not a particularly nice fellow. Orbital Period: 246.78 yr.
Positive - understands karmic wheel, gives and uses a second chance, discerning
Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience
Mundane - second efforts and chances, reset buttons, cloud seeding, study of weather, watching clouds, lust or coveting of another's mate
Ceremonial - rain dances, purging fires, seeking master healers

Varuna in 3'01 Gemini Retrograde
square Moon in 3'11 Pisces
Varuna: Vedic deity of vast power, particularly the waters. Orbital Period: 284.65 yr.
Positive - sovereign, competent, regulating without force, mastery of all tasks accepted
Negative - incompetent and blaming, laments losses, holds resentment
Mundane - appointments or elected positions, delegation of authority, promotions, demotions, court martial, public humiliation
Ceremonial - ceremonies to confirm positions, spiritual coronations, “induced” journeys as in shamanically led vision quests

Quaoar in 2'23 Scorpio
conjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
trine Moon in 3'11 Pisces
Quaoar: Native American deity of creation. The first object in space to bear a Native American name (not counting Hopi and Navajo, which refer to tribes). Orbital Period: 283.84 yr.
Positive - creative, inspiring, possibility oriented, uplifts sagging emotion, strong sense of self
Negative - doom saying, prophet of Armageddon, controls others with fear
Mundane - birds, frogs, bears, songs and dances of cultural or spiritual origin, harmony, syncopation, rhythm
Ceremonial - singing and dancing praise the Creator, use of animal totems

Orcus
contraparallel Sun - '01
biseptile Sun - '01
Orcus - A lord of the underworld. Orbital Period: 248.01 yr.
Positive: a person of one’s word, challenges broken promises, aligned with a spiritual creed, accountable for personal thought, word and deed
Negative: hypocritical, fault finding in the ways of others, blame assigning, ducks responsibility for word and actions, unable to keep promises
Mundane: contracts, oaths to organizations, religions or countries, creeds
Ceremonial: declaring faith, writing creeds, channeling the latest cosmic downloads and formatting it into doctrine

Sedna in 2'06 Taurus Retrograde
Moon in 3'11 Pisces
The Enigmatic Sedna
Not a centaur, nor Trans-Neptunian Object, Sedna is the first named Scattered Disk Object. These bodies have long orbital periods based upon their high eccentricity. They are scattered into the realm "beyond (?)" our solar system by the relatively significant gravity of Neptune.
Sedna's influence appeared in the bowl of chili severed finger incident, a finger in custard incident, punishment of primarily female members in the military for the Abu Graib scandal and (hopefully more joyfully) in Tim Burton's anifilm, The Corpse Bride.
Sedna - She is the first body to bear the mythology of the arctic's Inuit culture. Orbital Period: 10666.77 yr.
Positive - a forgiving disposition, discernment, clarity of perception, recognition of free will and choice, responsible, conscious of consequence, far thinking, dharma-oriented, does the homework of life
Negative - victimization, abuse, being deceived, history of betrayal, bitterness, “gold digging” attitude in relationship, transfers blame to others, numbs out, goes unconscious
Mundane - blubber, products made from sea mammals, whaling, diving bells that go into the dark of the sea, emotional healing, forgiveness, sorrow, engagement, masks, flight of the birds
Ceremonial - cleansing in the sea, propitiation to the sea, sea creatures, use of sea creature talismans (walrus tusk carvings, scrimshaw), ceremony with masks of sea creatures, ceremonial masks in general

True Black Moon Lilith(osculating Lunar Apogee) in Scorpio conjuncts
my Sun in Scorpio with 22 minutes of arc and trine my Moon in Pisces with 2'32 orb

at astro.com, osculating lunar apogee is h13,and is in the hypothetical planets section

IV. Atavistic wisdom and clairvoyance.
The astronomical counterpart of the earth is the Sun, not the empty focus of the lunar orbit. Integration is always in the direction of the Sun. The astrological Moon is where the unconscious emotions may become conscious, but the Black Moon, isolated and hot/cold, fire and ice, Unicorn-like, is like a place where there is never light, where it is always dreamy, like the dark side of the Moon. For this reason it may be a point where "consciousness" and energy may concentrate, but it is a slumber type of consciousness, an "entrance" into a world where knowledge is acquired by dreaming, not by thinking...
The way I'm using "magic" regarding the Black Moon is in the more traditional sense, related to occultism and "ancient" magicians like the legendary Merlin. This is to me the realm of the Black Moon, which we can see full-blown in legends, myths, and fairy tales. They all talk of things that are very "real" but not physical, or belonging to a time when the Earth itself was not as physical as today, and when people lived more in the astral than in the physical plane. In a nutshell, it is the "astral" or imaginative world, where things do indeed change shape constantly.
I believe that, today, we misinterpret many of the ancient --even medieval-- traditions and legends because we expect them to refer to a world like ours, while the truth --to me-- is that pre-enlightenment people had an atavistic clairvoyance and wisdom, which in occultism is related to the dark Moon and dark Sun forces-- that allowed them to perceive many things that people today do not perceive any more. The Dark or Black Moon, because of its astronomical symbolism, is for me the best tool there is to represent this "occult" level of reality, the world that is at the other side of the mirror, or, if you want it, the "Twilight Zone".
They had access to levels of perception that we don't have today, or only few people have what was common for them: atavistic wisdom and clairvoyance. Becuase of this, we "explain out" what looks as fantasy for us, ignoring that it was real experience for them. For example, succubi and incubi ("evil" Lilithian spirits) do exist today as they did back then, but because we do not normally perceive or "see" them (they can be perceived and seen in action under abnormal circumstances), we *believe* they are just "childish" explanations of their fears or lack of psychological and medical knowledge. There is a fashion today of "angels", which looks quite shallow when we realize how much the dark side of the spirit world is ignored, making it more powerful.
Bats represent this very well, for example, or gargoyles, among many other things The demoness Lilith and her different guises --putting aside the modern feminist approach which pretends to wipe the "demon" part-- is to me a very good mythological figure for this.
Like Hekate, the Black Moon is a "Queen of the Night", and negatively it is demonic (black magic) and vampiresque, while positively it is related to sexual initiation and transformational magic, a symbolic and oniric/artistic/imaginative world of primal wisdom that resists rationalization.
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/lilith.html

posted November 13, 2008 12:38 PM         

"yes...it could also indicate past associations with people who were hurt and wounded.
Chiron can involve healing (whether it's you being healed or you healing others)

With the conjunction in Aries, wounds,healing could be connected to things associated with Aries like passion,anger,aggression,violence...also Aries is the sign associated with the head/face. the house where the conjunction takes place can also indicate in what area where woundedness,healing take place. You have Sun oppose North Chiron Node in Libra too. I would also say look at the North Chiron Node in Libra placement and look at the house placement. Heliocentric Chiron Node in Libra could involve present,intake(North) associations,connections(Node) wounds,healing(Chiron) that involve relationships(Libra).

with the Sun involved, it can be wounds,healing involving ego,self expression but also the heart which the Sun rules. Of course,there is the heart in regards to romance too. So it can be wounds,pain involving romantic matters. Also Sun is associated with men too...especially the father,and so it can be about wounds,healing that involve men, the father.

In my own chart....the heliocentric Chiron Nodes in Libra/Aries are in the 2nd/8th houses in 8th harmonic(semisquare,sesquiquadrate to my Ascendant with 32 minutes of arc (only use 1 degree for 8th harmonic aspects

How this manifests for me?
intake,present(North)associations,connections(Node)of healing,woundedness in regards to Libra(relationships,partnerships,aesthetics,socializing) in areas of security,selfworth(2nd) and release,past(South) associations,connections(Node) of healing,woundedness(Chiron)in regards to Aries(passion,anger,aggression,violence) in areas of shared resources,sexuality that are connected to my frustration(sesquiquadrate/semisquare) personally(ascendant)

I have Chiron in Aries Retrograde in 8th parallel Ascendant with 20 minutes of arc too.

I actually believe that with the heliocentric Chiron Nodes in Libra/Aries reflects the pain,healing can be connected to relationships but also violence too. Once you're hurt in a relationship,there can be so much pain that it could lead to anger. Many people get hurt in relationships too. Many relationships have turned violent for sure. Domestic violence is big problem in many relationships. A lot of fighting are in relationships.
The divorce rate is high too which fits in with the heliocentric Uranus Nodes in 8th harmonic aspects(semisquare,sesquiquadrate)to the North Chiron Node in Libra.

Some people do believe that true can heal. Some people could find wholeness in a relationship. Many people get hurt in relationships and they can get into other relationships where they can be healed or hurt. They can also be bitter about their experiences and hurt others in relationships. They can also use their experiences to be compassionate and bring about healing in their partners. It could be all those things too. This could be Chiron in connected to Libra,Venus,7th house,Descendant,Vertex,West Point, in some way as well as even the animus planets for females(Sun,Mars),anima planets for males(Moon,Venus), also 5th house(romance),8th house(intimacy)

also...the Chiron Perihelion/Aphelion axis is in Libra/Aries too....so even furthers the issues,matters of the heliocentric Chiron Nodes in Libra/Aries

Perihelion is the point of an object's orbit closest to the Sun.

Aphelion is the point of an object's orbit most distant from the Sun.

The Heliocentric Nodes and Perihelion/Aphelion of objects are routinely recorded by astronomers too.

I believe these astronomical coordinates could also be used in Astrology.
I will discuss about that in a new thread.

"love your insights glaucus by the way, you always have such interesting posts.

etoile"

Thank you very much.

Raymond

posted November 13, 2008 01:21 PM           

very interesting... my sun is in 5th house so could very well be relating to romance lessons/hurts/healings, certainly a subject that figures highly in my life experiences...

Is there a reason why you look at the 8th harmonics??

what about helio moon? would that be relevant? I have it at 29 libra so obviously thats conjunct chiron NN ....

I'm working through the rest of this subject as I find it fascinating although difficult to "get" for a beginner like me lol

posted November 13, 2008 01:55 PM         

Yep....Cosmobiologists,Uranian Astrologers as well as astrologers who use midpoints use them. 8th harmonic aspects(semisquare,sesquiquadrate) have the influence of weaker squares,and are associated with frustration. In Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology, 8th harmonic series aspects. They believe that hard aspects are event-oriented aspects and that the hard energy of those aspects activates the midpoint which is a sensitive point. Conjunction-8/8,Opposition-4/8,Square-2/8,6/8,Semisquare-1/8,9/8,and Sesquiquadrate - 3/8,5/8 are all waxing,waning aspects related to the 8th harmonic(Divisions of 8 in a circle) .

"what about helio moon? would that be relevant? I have it at 29 libra so obviously thats conjunct chiron NN .... "