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koiflower
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posted November 16, 2008 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Natal Eris

I have Eris conjunct my Ascendant in Aries by 0°. I have always felt a battle to shed light on the struggle of minority groups. I have never felt comfortable in the presence of those who live a mediocre privileged life, often finding a dispassion toward those in need. Or in other words, I do not feel comfortable around people who are insensitive to the inner turmoil of others. My Mars in Libra allows me insight into social injustice; Eris conjunct my Ascendant shines a light into dark corners, encouraging me to forge ahead in an Arian fashion. Usually, this starts with any injustice that affects ‘Me’ first.

I move like the Ram and will tackle head-on any ideal/action that keeps me from achieving my personal goals. I use my ideals to advocate for anyone, within my realm, who may be disadvantaged by the actions of others. I must use the wile of Eris when I choose my battles. In my younger passionate days, my Arian Ascendant usually battered against brick walls. As I get older, I look to see how a Ram can climb a brick wall.

Transit Eris

On the day Eris was named Eris, transit Eris was conjunct a person’s North Node by 0°. In a sense, the mythological Golden Apple was thrown at their destiny. They, quite unexpectedly, were challenged to act on their impulses through a transformation and rebirth of their sexuality. North Node in Aries is one lesson on independence. Eris brought a loss of innocence, and an intense inner enlightenment that created a dilemma, a yearning of soul connection, an “opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more clearly, to seek similarities as well as differences; contrasting logical thought processes to show the limitations of logic”.

Delving into their inner motivations created confusion, elation, dying and rebirth. This person’s North Node’s direction is to use their independence to advocate for others. They took the lesson transit Eris threw them and applied it to their destiny. Transit Eris created a stepping stone to further their career in a new direction to lead others in areas of advocacy.

This is only the beginning of investigating this planet. I can only offer my opinion in view to create ideas of the implications of Eris. My Arian Ascendant feels comfortable with being a pioneer to new ideas and frontiers.

This dwarf planet was going to be one of three names: Eris, Persphone and Xena. All female, and all with an element of Depth, Power and Transformation. Eris crosses Pluto and Neptune’s orbit, possibly reaping all the depths and secrets these powerful planets hold.

I agree with Glaucus in that Eris can open the field to greater thinking of minority groups. Here is an abridged quote from Glaucus:

quote:
Ceres and Pluto were made equals because of Eris, and so
that's one of the reasons that I believe Eris has to do with equal
rights, civil rights issues.. I am seeing Eris in civil rights, equal
rights events....especially involving Black civil rights issues. Eris
can be related to minority rights issues. Eris' Perihelion is in
Libra seems to reflect the equality, fairness, getting along that
Eris seems to call for. Eris' Aphelion in Aries seems to reflect the
war, conflict, aggression, trouble that Eris is known for causing.

Eris' North Node in Taurus seems to reflect the solidarity. It can
also be the stubbornness, materialism that often causes problems in
society and creates division between people. Eris' South Node in
Scorpio seems to reflect the transformation, rebirth, but also
revenge, resentment that often connection to division of humanity and
linked to racism.

When I think of Eris, I think of taking sides, forced to decide
between two things, torn between two factions, dilemmas, "If you are
not with me, you are against me", betrayal, resentment that happens
after choosing a side, creating a bridge, narrowing the gap
Eris orbits beyond Saturn, and so it seems like it can relate to the
metaphysical. It is a kuiper belt object like Pluto, and so it can
seem to relate to intensity, transformation, and rebirth. Eris' orbit
is more unusual than Pluto for its not only it's more elliptical, but
it is tilted 44.187 degrees relative to the plane of the solar
system. Pluto's orbit is only inclined 17 degrees. That would reflect
that Eris relates to being a nonconformist as well as being
divergent.
I believe
that Eris has to do with stirring stuff up, controversy, ideology,
civil/equal rights matters, standing up for self/others, advocacy,
bigotry, racism, minorities, race relations, diversity, .....all
those things are connected to each other too.
It could be racial relations stuff like the racial divide,
interracial relationships, interracial marriages, interracial family
connections, and interracial parentage. It could be the
multiracial. It could even be international relations. It could be
like tolerance/intolerance of divergence, diversity, minorities (not
necessarily race, ethnic...but even religion, sexual orientation, etc).
It's the intolerance of divergents, diversity, minorities that
lead to equal/civil rights issues.

Roy MacKinnon's Eris' Keywords:
Striving to achieve one's goals and refusing to capitulate to the
pressure of unjust treatment and discord from abusive authority :
with great inner conviction and single-mindedness of purpose
following a path of high attainment and enlightenment notwithstanding
adversity - alternatively refusing the call to transform with
mediocrity and underachievement as consequences: issues around power
abuse of minorities, the defenceless, the alien: networks,
multinational countries and companies, the world- wide web: piracy,
terrorism, clash of ideologies: conflict between desires of
personality and pursuit of the inner call: persecution of the
spiritually aware person who stands alone courageously acting
according to conscience: an outstanding individual ahead of the
times.

Zane Stein's Eris Keywords:
Loss of innocence, entrance into adulthood; child's trauma being
separated from parent; acceptance of unavoidable changes; dying and
being reborn (as opposed to Pluto which rules the causes/processes of
death and rebirth); internal split causing longing to be whole, the
longing of the soul for its other half; the subject/object of a
debate, argument, competition, conflict or war...what stirs people to
fight or disagree; fighting for one's rights; strife and discord;
pitting one side against the other; competition, contests and
tournaments; struggles for supremacy; rivalry; a test of skills or
abilities; love of fighting or debate; what one has at stake in a
competition, dispute or conflict, or one's perspective of what is
being fought over; refusing to relinquish one's hold on an ideal,
belief, cause, or object...'not budging an inch'; the problems
resulting from irreconcilable differences; contrasting different
perspectives; comparing thesis and antithesis in the search for
truth; contrasting opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more
clearly, to seek similarities as well as differences; contrasting
logical thought processes to show the limitations of logic;
identifying with, or trying to understand, first principles;
incongruous juxtapositions to force one to think outside of the box;
the ethics connected with one's motives and methods, and the coming
to light of less than spotless methods; the roots of one's
motivations; piracy, defrauding, swindling; society's ethics; race
intent.

Francesco Schiavinotto's Keywords:
Dam; Damming; Obstruction; Obliteration; To be opposite; Aversion for
the Extraneous; To obstacle the Alien; False Adaption between
Different Matters; Reciprocal Aversion; Feeling to be Invaded;
Resistance; Incommunicability; Controversial Figure; Ecological
Incompatibility; Underground Instability.

It's Eris' Co-Discoverer, Michael Brown that seemed to give the clue
to Eris' meaning:
"She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them
think their opinions are right and everyone else's is wrong," Brown
said. "It really is just perfect”. www-tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html

Zane Stein even added Persephone/Proserpina symbolism in his Eris
keywords. Michael Brown wanted to name Eris "Persephone", and he even
said that it was like Persephone.


Reference: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019829.html

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Rev. Alice
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posted November 16, 2008 09:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very good information--I am collecting info on Eris because I am a writer and I have transiting Eris on my Mercury.

One thing I noticed in reading the "apple" story--something others seemed to overlook. It was that Eris was "left out", discriminated against. That fits well with your feelings about discrimination, etc.

In time, I think that Eris will take her place as the new ruler of Libra.

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posted November 16, 2008 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavlee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think what you meant is the new ruler of Taurus.

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posted November 16, 2008 12:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
reading thru Glaucus' thread on Eris ..
seems rather an Arien - Libran polarity

although ..
" refusing to relinquish one's hold on an ideal,
belief, cause, or object...'not budging an inch' .. "
sounds rather 'fixed' ..

as a Taurean .. i'll stick it out with madame Venus as a sign ruler .. thanx .. ;-)))

query .. as i'm clueless about Eris .. 'xcept what i read in Glaucus' thread
any ideas what could be said about my natal Eris ? ..

" Eris 08.19 Aries in 9th house .. square to Asc .. semisquare to Sun .. sextile to Mars "

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posted November 16, 2008 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking that we can turn this into a continuing thread of Eris.

I can repost all my Eris posts here too. It would be cool for anybody to comment on them. It would be even more cool for anybody to post about Eris too. I love reading other people's ideas about Eris. It would be great to get together on things and discuss and see how our ideas are in cohesion even though they can be divergent from each other. Diversity is a splendid thing in my opinion. Compromising and agreeing to disagree instead of fighting and arguing.I think that's a positive way to use the Erisian energy.


I looked at the Sabian Symbol placements for Eris and its Heliocentric Nodes and Perigree/Apogee at the time of Discovery

Heliocentric North Eris Node is the point of Eris' orbit moving north through the ecliptical plane

Heliocentric South Eris Node is the point of Eris' orbit moving south through the ecliptical plane

Eris Perihelion is the point of Eris' orbit closest to the Sun

Eris Aphelion is the point of Eris' orbit farthest from the Sun

January 5, 2005
Pasadena,California
11:20 AM

source: Eris' co-discover, Michael Brown http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/planetlila/


calculations done with Jonathan Dunn Ephemeral.
I strongly recommend it for anybody who want to check out a wide variety of objects and their orbital features like nodes,perigree/apogee,perihelion/aphelion


Eris in 19'45 Aries -
Sabian Symbol 20 Aries
A Young Girl Feeding Birds In Winter
"overcoming crises through compassion"


Helio North Eris - 5'57 Taurus
Sabian Symbol 6 Taurus
Cantilever Bridge Across A Deep Gorge
"the conquest of separativeness through group-cooperation"


Helio South Eris Node(release,past) - 5'57 Scorpio
Sabian Symbol 6 Scorpio
The Gold Rush Tears Men Away From Their Native Soil
"the passionate search for new values which, at any level,promise a more abundant life"


Eris Perihelion - 14'26 Libra
Sabian Symbol 15 Libra
Circular Paths
"coming to terms with the inevitability of establishing steady rhythms of social activity"

Eris Aphelion - 14'26 Aries
Sabian Symbol 15 Aries
An Indian Weaving A Ceremonial Blanket
"projecting into everyday living the realization of wholeness and fullfillment"


In my own chart:


Eris in 12'15 Aries Retrograde in 8th:
oppose Uranus in 15'17 Libra in 2nd
sextile Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini
sextile/trine Lunar Nodes in 10'29 Aquarius/Leo in 5th/11th
quincunx Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo
trine Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius in 3rd
biquintile Mercury in Scorpio in 3rd - '06
parallel Mars - '47


Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio:
oppose/conjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd
semisextile/quincunx Saturn in 5'08 Gemini Retrograde in 9th

Eris Perihelion/Aphelion in 14'14 Libra/Aries:
conjunct/oppose Uranus in 15'17 Libra
oppose/conjunct Eris in 12'15 Aries Retrograde

Raymond


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posted November 16, 2008 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rev Alice ~
quote:
In time, I think that Eris will take her place as the new ruler of Libra.
I'm curious as to why you think the Goddess of Discord would be a good ruler for Libra, the sign of Harmony??

Thanks,
Zala

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posted November 16, 2008 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't believe that Eris is just about discord and controversy. I think that there is more to it. That's like saying Pluto is just about the underworld because Pluto/Hades is the God of the
underworld. Juan Revilla made good points that we can't just rely on the name of the object for its astrological meaning. Uranus/Ouranos personality traits fit more with Prometheus(the Titan who stole fire from the gods to give to mankind) than the god, Uranus even though Uranus/Ouranos was the sky god. Neptune personality traits fit more with Dionysus/Bacchus(The God of the Vines/Wine) even though Neptune/Poseidon was the sea god. I looked at some asteroid stuff in regards to that. Juan Revilla said that it's important to consider the orbital symbolism of the objects.
Philip Sedgwick takes into account the heliocentric nodes and perihelion/aphelion of the object.

Astronomical-oriented astrologers including Philip Sedgwick, Juan Revilla, Zane Stein don't rely on the name of objects to derive meaning from it.

Some of them suggested names to the astronomers that were accepted for some centaurs after studying their orbits, physical properties. Nessus was the first. http://www.zanestein.com/page4_2.htm


this is what Philip Sedgwick said
Star Blogs ~ The Galactic Times
Planet With No Name (Yet) ~ 02 Feb 2008

"So if you were Neil Young traversing the desert night sky on a planet with no name, how could you derive any meaning for it? One,consider its nature, uniqueness and physical profile. Two, assign interpretive delineations by pondering the sign and degree of critical orbital elements, specifically the node and closest point the body makes to the Sun."

the closest point of the object makes to the sun is called the
Perihelion.

Here is some stuff by Juan Revilla who believes in the orbital
symbolism should be used to determine an object's astrological meaning and not the name.


ORBITAL SYMBOLISM IN ASTROLOGY http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/essays/paradigm.html


Zane Stein even added Persephone/Proserpina symbolism in his Eris keywords. Michael Brown wanted to name Eris "Persephone", and he even said that it was like Persephone. He said that half of the time, Eris orbits away from Pluto. But the names, "Persephone" and "Proserpina"
were given to asteroids. Obviously, astronomers gave mythological names too readily. Michael Brown did give the name Eris after all the discord among the astronomers. Methinks..that there could be astrologers in discord. Many astrologers don't agree on many things in Astrology like orbs are hotly debated.


I was thinking how Ceres and Pluto are made equals in Astronomy because of the discovery of Eris, and how it can seem similar to how Pluto/Hades and Ceres/Demeter shared equal amount of time with Proserpina/Persephone.
Pluto got demoted to minor planet and assigned a minor planet number. Ceres got promoted to dwarf planet. Therefore, Pluto and Ceres are equals in astronomy. Pluto got the same treatment as Ceres. Ceres was classed as a planet but got it's planetary status stripped after the realization that it is one of many objects in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Now Pluto's planetary status is stripped after the realization that it is one of many objects in the Kuiper Belt. After they found Eris, the need to make a definition of what a planet is had to be made. Astronomers even hypothesize there could be a dozen Plutos out there and even some Mars-sized objects. that's one of the reasons that I believe Eris has to do with equal rights, civil rights issues.

also Eris Perihelion is in Libra
Pluto Perihelion happens to be in Scorpio
Perihelion/Aphelion axis move so slow ....they are in the same sign for numerous centuries. the same with all perihelion/aphelion axis and heliocentric nodes of objects.


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posted November 16, 2008 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lavlee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Azalaksh`

p.s- Venus is the true ruler of Libra

Bless you G for at least trying to stick to the subject of this little planet and not which sign it should rule sweetheart!

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posted November 17, 2008 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eris Sabian Symbol

Discovery chart

January 5, 2005
Pasadena,California
11:20 AM

Placement - 19'45 Aries Stationary Direct
Heliocentric North Node - 5'58 Taurus
Heliocentric South Node - 5'58 Scorpio
Heliocentric Perihelion - 14'26 Libra
Heliocentric Aphelion - 14'26 Aries


The following is from Lynda Hill's 360 DEGREES OF WISDOM :

ERIS IN 19'45 ARIES STATIONARY DIRECT
20 Aries
Sabian Symbol
A Young Girl Feeding Birds In Winter

Commentary: is an image of care,innocence,nurturing and benevolence. She brings nourishment to those who need it--this can be physically,emotionally or spiritually. It is "Winter," which shows that times may be lean and food or resources scarce. The "Young Girl" shows that even when the cold winds are around us, we can find joy through sharing or doing things for others. Long talks with those in need, be they family,friends,or,indeed strangers,can bring a sense of nurturing,reassurance,satisfaction,and love.

Keywords: Nurturing innocence. Feeding energy to situations that feel cold,hopeless, and lost. Small efforts bringing their rewards. Codependent relationships. Nurturing. Helping those less fortunate or smaller. Taking time out for others. Doing things without thought of reward. Enjoying nature. Trying to find friends or company. Bread and water. Soup kitchens. Counseling. Hot vs. cold weather

The Caution: Wanting to win approval. Creating dependence with others that has to be maintained. Feeling bleak, lost and alone. The need to continually rescue others. Doing anything in order to be liked. Finding it difficult to stop giving. Not being able to say "no." Feeling used and unrewarded.


Subjective Focus - What is most urgent to this body
Perihelion 14'26 Libra
Sabian - Circular Paths

Commentary - symbolize a situation where there is a continual coming around back to the same place. It can picture a pattern of going around and around, with no real outcome and no sense of a final destination. In some instances, this can be good, as it can be rather meditative but it can also prove to be a very real waste of time.

Keywords: Going round and round. The orbits of the planets. Cosmic rhythms and cycles. The cycles of life. Things we feel we can trust. The secure path that never really leads anywhere. Crop circles. Realizing mistakes and learning from them. The wheels of progress. Merry-go-rounds. Circular machinery. Mazes and labyrinths. Chaos theory. Learning through repetition. Looking for somewhere to park.

The Caution: Being lost in abstractions or small details. Losing perspective from going around and around. Addictive cycles that are hard to get rid of. Boredom. Episodes that repeat themselves. Repeating the same actions or mistakes. Treadmills. Habits that are self-defeating.


Objective Focus - What is most effective use of this body
Aphelion 14'26 Aries
Sabian - An Indian Weaving A Blanket In The Light Of the Setting Sun

Keywords: The fabric of one's being. Traditional pastimes and skills. Weaving security and independence. Patience and gentle handcrafting. Stories, especially those handed down. Tales and traditions. Consideration of one's unique history. Weaving,spinning looms. The warp and weft of life. One's life story--past and present. Being focused on one's task. Colors, dyes. Threads.

The Caution: Underestimating skills of self expression in comparison with intellectual skillls. Allowing dull routines to overcome. Feeling one hasn't got much to contribute. Inability to apply routine and necessary tasks. Being too "full-time" about one's work. Feeling insecure no matter what the situation. Selling off one's integrity. Finding that it's too late in the day to get anything done. Not knowing when to stop.


Point of Intake - What This Planet is teaching humanity
North Node 5'58 Taurus
Sabian - A Bridge being built across a high narrow gorge

Commentary: is about finding a creative and concrete solution to be able to cross to the other side of a separation or dilemma. There may be a separation or gulf, shown here by the "Gorge," between places,people,or objectives. "Bridges need to be built overcome separate areas of activity and to link people and places together.

Keywords: Overcoming distance and separation. Endeavoring to build continuity. Solving problems with creative solutions. Bridging emotional chasms. Spanning gaps. Breaking down barriers. Structures spanning distances between places or people. Conquering time and space barriers. Physical limitations overcome. Taking one step at a time. Avoiding looking down.

The Caution: Taking the long way round to avoid asking for help. Using shortcuts to cut across the real issue. Only seeing the risks, not the solutions to the problems. The fear of establishing connections. The pervading sense that it could all fall through at any moment. Extreme sports.

Point of Release - What humanity needs to release
South Node 5'58 Scorpio
Sabian - A Gold Rush Tears Men Away From Their Native

Commentary: brings the temptation to chase the promise or riches, wherever they may be. There have been many "Gold Rushes" throughout history, and people often gamble their resources and their sense of security to chase the possibility of discovering treasures of rewards.

Keywords: strong desires to move on. The longing and the search for the easy fulfillment of hopes and dreams. Leaving one's native soil. Having a cause or mission to pursue. Leaving home,people,family. Dropping everything to chase a project. Pilgrimages. The search for riches. Immigration and migration. Listening to clues. The search for the Holy Grail. Pursuing a better life.

The Caution: Chasing the impossible dream. Losing everything. Being unrealistic or opportunistic. Not being content with what one's got. The grass being greener elsewhere. Lusting after rewards that may be unreal or transitory. Risking what one has for what could have. Wild goose chases.

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