posted November 16, 2008 01:41 PM         

Specially when we look at our NN and ASC.

I have looked at mine and here they are:

6 VIRGO SUN
"A HAREM.
A fateful (even if sought after) subservience to the vagaries or desires of the emotional nature."

tHIS RELATES to a feeling of being dominated,but having to be apart of the group in order to benefit.-IT RINGS TO ME.
Im not taken seriously enough.
Im needed to use my Libra Charm in order to be valoured and cherished.This has to do with the natural Virgo modesty also.

I feel very identified with this one too.

21´04 GEM NN
"DANCING COUPLES CROWD THE BARN IN A HARVEST FESTIVAL"

THIS is about celebrating when te tasks are made and we reach some security and the sense that the work is done.
I need to open up to others and free my emotional instincts.

Hmm till now i dont sense that task is done..so I have not opened myself up to celebrate.IM still in the quest for my Path

5´25 LIBRA ASC -SAME AS MY BF´S SUN
"A Man Watches His Ideals Taking A Concrete Form Before His Inner Vision"

The need to visualize clearly one's dreams or ideals in order to make them truly effectual.
It is "THE SECRET" unfolding here.I feel it is the Truth for me.

"According to a French proverb, "What is well conceived can easily be formulated." The process of interior visualization can be quite essential, except in the case of a creative individual who has become a totally pure channel for the descent of spiritual Power, and a clear lens through which the Archetype in the Mind of Man (or God) can be projected without distortion wherever needed. In other cases the creative act is less direct: a man projects into the world what he has "seen" reflected on the screen of his individualized consciousness.

This is the first stage of the thirty-eighth five-fold sequence of symbolized phases in the process of individualized existence. It is a phase of INTERIOR FORMULATION in preparation for a creative projection of one's ideals or concepts. "

By watching my ideals unfolding i´ll see them coming to a physical reality.
But i must be careful to what i wish for.

This Sabian relates exactly to one of my most deares dreams since a child:to write and getting published

What about you?Do you identify with your Sabians?

SABIAN ORACLE: http://www.sabiansymbols.com/page.asp?id=968

SABIAN´S INTERPRETATION:
http://www.khaldea.com/articles/pss_gkm1.shtml
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/8784/sabian.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/sabiansymbols_degreemeanings.html
http://www.tarotforum.net/forumdisplay.php?s=b1b50140af4bf0a829cdf4905adbb0f9&f=127

posted November 16, 2008 01:48 PM         

Venus 20 deg Aquarius - A Disappointed And Disillusioned Woman Courageously Faces A Seemingly Empty Life

Mercury 23 Capricorn (also my Venus/Mars midpoint)
A Woman Entering A Convent

posted November 16, 2008 02:00 PM         

usually if they say: 25° of some sign, they mean the placement from 24°00 - 24°59; cafe astrology made it just easy for us.

Sabian of my TRue Node
11 Sagittarius (10°10)
IN THE LEFT SECTION OF AN ARCHAIC TEMPLE, A LAMP BURNS IN A CONTAINER SHAPED LIKE A HUMAN BODY.

- this Sabian is very close to my heart, even though I do not really now what it means; I just SENSE there is an important truth in it for me

Sabian of my ASC
08° Sagittarius (my ASC is on 07°01 Sag, so if I have been born just 2 or 3 minutes earlier, the previous Sabian would be valid)

WITHIN THE DEPTHS OF THE EARTH NEW ELEMENTS ARE BEING FORMED.
- Again I feel a deep spiritual resonation with this Sabian; for some reason I have the feeling in this present life I will have the opportunity and the obligation to change and transform old patterns.

Maybe My Mars widely conjunct my NN will help me doing that.

Also, when I developed my "crush" on Jude Law, I`ve had a very weird dream of him.
We were somewhere outside at night, in a desert or something like this, and there was a sky covered with gazillions of stars above our heads.
But suddenly the sky seemed to shift, not slowly, very quickly, and within moments I was looking up into a completely different sky.
I`m not sure why of all people Jude Law was at my side in that dream (lol), but it felt somehow important.
The sky, the stars have changed. Almost like signalling a new beginning.

posted November 16, 2008 02:15 PM         

"(ARIES 14°): A SERPENT COILING NEAR A MAN AND A WOMAN."

This is according to more then one of the sites the author posted and according to cafeastrology its..

"14-15 deg Aries
An Indian Weaving A Ceremonial Blanket"

AC 27 deg 46" Aries

"(ARIES 27°): THROUGH IMAGINATION A LOST OPPORTUNITY IS REGAINED."

or 27-28 deg Aries

"A Large Audiences Confronts The Performer Who Disappointed Its Expectations"

posted November 16, 2008 02:36 PM         

but your Sabian degree for TN would be 15° Aries.

For the ASC it would be 28 Aries,

posted November 16, 2008 02:52 PM         

What is to stop me from writing a book with every sabian symbol made up, and then people taking it literally?

1 Aries: The cuckoo is clucking while the sheep is bucking.

posted November 16, 2008 02:57 PM         

that was EXACTLY my first reaction when I heard about the Sabians.

But I`m open to it now. Maybe it`s all illusion, but in the end if this illusion triggers a valuable insight inside me, then it served its purpose.

It`s easy for me, either something resonates with me, then I will look further into it, or I will dismiss it because it has nothing to do with me.
I admit, this is definitely not a scientific approach.

However, I think the Sabians might have been based on "visions". Does that sound highly suspect? Yes, indeed it does.
Does it sometimes direct my thoughts into an interesting direction? Yes, that is true as well.

But honestly, I don`t take it as serious as I would other things in astrology, like the validity of rulerships for example.

posted November 16, 2008 03:32 PM         

Taurus 8 Deg – A sleigh without snow
The need to get unstuck
Although this symbol could be referring to a means of getting somewhere if conditions become difficult or different, it is more than often an indication that the object of your inquiry is at the wrong place at the wrong time. Or it could simply be saying that, for 1 reason or another, your attitude or question is inappropriate or irrelevant inertia.

posted November 16, 2008 03:55 PM         

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Fascinating insights can be seen by reading the degree before (every degree holds the 'impulse' of the degree before). This I see as being the 'karmic condition' of the planet or point (of any zodiac point for any reason). It describes the things (talents, abilities, ideas perfected, habits, life situations, etc, that feel very 'present' as well as 'past'). These are brought over from past lives in every sense of the expression.

The actual degree describes the personality, the outward expression, what we do with our lives. We have that talent, obsession, compulsion, habit) behind us; we have transits of planets, etc, over the degree before every time we move into an exact aspect.

The degree after the degree is what was laid down in our personalities in the first year after birth. These things are showing us ways to our future. Reading the degree after often shows what needs to be embraced in order to move on in our lives.

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posted November 16, 2008 04:18 PM         

You are all welcome!

thabks DD for the clear answer.

Lara

of what description are you asking?

I took it from the links i gave.
1st i went to cafe astrology to see the phrase of the Sabyan.then i went to look the meanings for it.

And it was when i found both the Oracle and the Story of the Sabyans.

posted November 16, 2008 04:21 PM         

My Moon in 3'10 Pisces
conjunct Fomalhaut in 3'28 Pisces
Sabian Symbol 4 Pisces
Heavy Car Traffic On A Narrow Isthmus Linking Two Seashore Resorts
"the mobility and intensity of interchanges which make possible and characterize complex social processes
I am all about those things...especially trying connect to numerous kinds of people,and trying to find some common ground and similarities with them no matter how far apart we seem to be. I am always communicating with others...especially here in this forum...hahahahaha

My Saturn/Neptune Midpoint is 3'28 Virgo,and it opposes my Moon
Sabian Symbol 4 Virgo
Black and White Children Play Together Happily
"the overcoming of sociocultural prejudices"
this one is totally amazing and hits home big time!...well...I was from an interracial relationship of a black man and white woman,and so I was raised to not be prejudiced against people.....also the man that shot my mom was black, but she never hated black men....she's not prejudiced against a certain type of people because of one person. I am the same way. However, I lost the woman that I love because her mother hates men because she was hurt by my exgirlfriend's father. They are both white too...so interracial relationship. This is also the sabian aspect orb for the Sun triseptile Sun that I have with my exgirlfriend

My Heliocentric North Angel Node in 2'28 Virgo,and it opposes my Moon
Sabian Symbol 3 Virgo Two Guardian Angels
"Invisible help and protection in times of crisis"
My mother told me that she believed an angel saved her and me by getting her to get up off the ground after being shot and guiding her out of the house.
I am totally blown away.....it is also the sabian aspect orb of my Moon quincunx Pluto which can indicate transformational,intense emotional experiences that are traumatic that fits with my mom's shooting.

My Midheaven is in 11'14 Gemini
Sabian Symbol 12 Gemini
A Negro Girl Fights For Her Independence In the City
"liberation from the ghosts of the past"
Well....I am part Black on my father's side...it seems to fit with advocacy,standing up for self, equal rights which I believe fits right in with Eris...especially with Eris' Perihelion being in Libra
sextile
Chiron in 10'32 Aries Retrograde in 8th
Africa in 11'15 Aries Retrograde in 8th
Eris in 12'15 Aries Retrograde in 8th
Africano in 12'38 Aries Retrograde in 8th
(some say retrograde bodies have to do with pastlife karma)
also....Mu'Min Bey uses this chart for Black America to check out Black race relations matters. He is into writing about astrological sociological matters from a black person's perspective. He's been very controversial. He happens to have Sun trine Eris less than 1 degree too.

African American Slavery
Aug 30 1619
10:15AM
Jamestown Virginia
Marc Penfield
This is the astrological representation of the moment when the first shipment of African slaves were offloaded at Jamestown, Virginia. The chart itself is based on the research of well known Mundane Astrologer Marc Penfield, seen in the book "Astrology Looks at History", edited by Noel Tyl, 1995, in the chapter called, "Lincoln, The South & Slavery". http://muminspeaks.blogspot.com/2007/02/question-of-street-cred-obamas.html

The chart's Eris happens to be in 11'14 Gemini exactly conjunct my Midheaven! That could mean two things.......one,it could be my connection strong connection to Black America because I am part Black from my father's side. Also,it could also mean that I had a strong pastlife connection to African American slavery. I could have been involved in slave trade as in participating in the African slave trade...could have been Spanish or Portuguese,and I have both those heritages from my mother's side. It could also mean that I could have been the descendant of Portuguese,Spanish slave traders.

I certainly would like IQhunk's opinions on that

also my Sun conjunct South Eris Node in Scorpio with only 10 minutes of arc seems like some serious karmic issues involving diversity....especially with retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th (other cultures) quincunx that conjunction. My Retrograde true Black Moon Lilith is conjunct that too, and so seems like pastlife karmic issues involving women's issues.
I do believe that I have incarnated to learn serious karmic lessons involving diversity,and equality and so that's why I incarnated as somebody born to an interracial couple and is neurodivergent as well as don't fit the male stereotypes. Those issues led to a lot of mistreatment in the past,but it taught me to treat others like I want to be treated. I do believe that my path in life is to be a neurodiversity advocate,raising awareness about neurodivergent conditions and how they don't mean lack of intelligence and the need to distinguish them from psychiatric disorders. I can't see myself being a civil rights activist even though my chart seems to strongly point in that direction. I don't want to be viewed negatively by a lot of people,and I don't want to get killed...especially seeing my very close Sun-South Eris Node-True Black Moon Lilith conjunction in the sign associated with death(Scorpio) and my Chiron-Africa-Africano-Eris conjunction in the house associated with death (8th). I believe some civil rights leaders unnecessarily stir stuff up,and I don't want to be viewed that way. Eris is very controversial too. I have to keep my controversy in check to avoid angering people. I prefer peace,harmony,and love,and light, but I am not afraid to point out issues that are totally opposite of that to raise awareness about so we can have that peace,harmony,love,and light. I am a member of NOW (National Organization for Women),and I support equal rights for women through monthly donation. I support gay rights too,and that's because I developed empathy with gays from people giving me a hard time because they mistakened me for being gay because I don't fit male stereotypes and have strong feminine traits which help me believe in gender equality and female rights.

Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
Heliocentric South Eris Node in 5'30 Scorpio
True Black Moon Lilith in 5'42 Scorpio Retrograde
Sabian Symbol 6 Scorpio
The Gold Rush Tears Men Away From Their Native Soil
"the passionate search for new values which,at any level,promise a more abundant life"

My Heliocentric North Eris Node in 5'30 Taurus oppose my Sun
Sabian Symbol 6 Taurus
Cantilever Bridge Across A Deep Gorge
"the conquest of separativeness through group-cooperation"
I definitely believe in bridging the gap in many ways, and I was born from my parents bridging the gap between black and white.

Raymond

posted November 16, 2008 04:49 PM         

I absolutely agree with you.

posted November 16, 2008 04:56 PM         

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now i'm confused... cos if l want it for 7' and yet on yours it says 8'??? So do l read the one before then? The 6'?

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posted November 16, 2008 07:34 PM         

Not sure yet what I think about them--are they really revealing, or do they appear to be only because I'm expecting meaning? I'm still in limbo, but I do check them out. My favorite site for them is the mindfire one Diandra listed. I like their interpretations.

I hadn't realized IQ emphasizes the NN and ASC Sabians.

My junk:

NN: Two guardian angels.
Invisible help and protection in times of crisis.
Strength within.

ASC: The gold rush tears men away from their native soil.
The passionate search for new values which, at any level, promise a more abundant life.
Avidity.

Sun: An Easter sunrise service draws a large crowd.
Rebirth

Moon: In a circus the bareback rider displays her dangerous skill.
The audacity and perseverance required to control & play with energies of the vital realm in human existence.
Virtuosity.

posted November 16, 2008 08:17 PM         

THE "MAGIC CARPET" OF ORIENTAL IMAGERY.

KEYNOTE: The use of creative imagination.
A way of life refusing a hectic involvement in social competition and waste-producing overproduction allows for the development of unattached and transcendent understanding. The static floor (carpet) on which man's feet (symbols of understanding) rest can become transformed into the means for great flights of imagination and super-physical perception. The period of rest from outwardly directed activity bound to collective normality presents the creative mind with the possibility of surveying in dreams the totality of the present-day social situation, thus "to see whole."

The fourth stage of the fourth five-fold sequence of symbols invokes the possibility of developing a new technique of perception, A STRIFE-TRANSCENDING AND UNATTACHED OUTLOOK UPON EVERYDAY REALITY.

posted November 17, 2008 04:19 AM         

I think of them like Tarot Cards on steroids.

Just a small example. The week I studied my Heliocentric Chart, I saw the Heliocentric Earth Sabian as a Canoe with oarsmen. This is 3-4 Capricorn. Later that week, the Sun entered Capricorn and I was invited to speak to tech students in a seminar where a future business contact was also a sponsor. He unveiled his software company banner ad, which had... a large canoe with oarsmen, and a quote on teamwork.

This is just one example, I can quote hundreds.