posted November 18, 2008 04:51 PM         

I believe that some of Eris' characteristics have been assigned to Uranus,and I know that this view is very controversial and ridiculous view to astrologer. What would many Vedic Astrologers and Classical Astrologers say about Modern Astrologers use of the outerplanets which aren't in their systems? They would say that they don't need the outerplanets because they already have the traditional 7 planets as well as the lunar nodes.

What would many Astronomers say about Astrologers in general? well......they would say that we are a bunch of pseudoscientists that are using inaccurate zodiac and that we are fraudulent and delusional for practicing such nonsense.

The traits of Uranus seem to be traits of Mercury,Jupiter,Saturn. Uranus can relate to Mercury because it's intellectual,nervous energy..it also is considered the high octave of Mercury...especially with Uranus ruling Aquarius which is an airsign like Gemini which Mercury rules Uranus can relate to Jupiter in regards to progression,freedom with Jupiter ruling the freedom-oriented,progressive sign Sagittarius. Uranus could possibly relate to Saturn with Saturn's traditional rulership of Aquarius which is a fixed sign and in that sense shares some rigidity with Saturn. I even think that Uranus and Saturn could possibly share some detachment. I believe that Vedic Astrologers do view Saturn as a detachment type of planet in some respects. They would see that my Moon in Aquarius aspected by Saturn indicates detachment in my Vedic Chart. They put mainly emphasis on Ketu(South Lunar Node) as detachment. They don't need to use Uranus to see detachment in charts. They also tend to see Rahu(North Lunar Node) as unconventional too,and they don't need to see Uranus for that. They would see my Rahu in 6th house as unconventional about work,service like Mars in Aquarius in 6th is viewed as that in Western Astrology.

The traits of Neptune seem to be traits of Moon,Jupiter,and Venus. Neptune can relate to Moon because it's sensitivity,dreams,and the unconscious. Some say Neptune is collective unconscious and Moon is personal unconscious. Neptune is exalted in Moon's sign,Cancer. Neptune can relate to Jupiter because of its idealism...especially with Jupiter's traditional rulership of Pisces which has been assigned to. Both Jupiter and Neptune are exalted in Cancer. Neptune can relate to Venus because it's aesthetic,relating to beauty,love. Venus is more about personal love and Neptune IS more about collective or universal love. Neptune is considered the high octave of Venus. Neptune is said to be the mystic,but Ketu(South Lunar Node) is used as the mystical planet in Vedic Astrology. They would see my Ketu in Cancer in 12th as a mystical placement like Western Astrologers would see my Moon in Pisces(square its dispositor,Neptune) as one.

The traits of Pluto seem to be traits of Mars and Saturn. Pluto can relate to Saturn with it being seen by some as a dark planet. Saturn was the traditional planet of death,and now that's been assigned to Pluto.
Pluto can relate to Mars as it can be aggressive,passionate...especially with Mars' traditional rulership of Scorpio which has been assigned to Pluto. Vedic Astrologers tend to see Rahu(North Lunar Node) in regards to being very passionate in the way Pluto is. Pluto is considered the high octave of Mars. Another interesting thing is that both Mars and Saturn are considered to be malefics in classical and Vedic Astrology. Interestingly, Mars/Saturn midpoint is known as the death axis in Cosmobiology. That also makes me think of Pluto having a Mars/Saturn combo energy. Pluto was assigned the rulership of Scorpio which is the sign that Pluto's Perihelion has been in for many centuries. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Vedic Astrologers contribute the outerplanet energies to Rahu(North Lunar Node) and Ketu(South Lunar Node) and Saturn. I have already mentioned some examples of that.

I believe that modern Astrologers that negatively criticize astrologers that use Eris would be no different from Vedic Astrologers and Classical Astrologers that criticize astrologers for using the outerplanets. Of course, it wouldn't be any different from astronomers that negatively criticize astrologers.

Astrology has really diverged from Astronomy since the Discovery of Uranus. Astrologers differ in their views,and there is a lot of disagreement about what methods to use. I believe that it's better to agree to disagree. It would be nice if astrologers even think of other astrological systems as equal and not viewing them as inferior,inaccurate,nor nonsense. Like I said before, not only is their discord among astronomers but discord among astrologers.

I feel that all this relates to Eris which I believe rules Astrology along with Uranus. Astrology
is a controversial subject in mainstream society.

Many astrologers think of Uranus as stirring stuff up,controversy, and even one astrologer
contributed racism to Uranus,but I am convinced that is Eris.

I believe that Eris has to do with divergence,diversity more than Uranus does. Wars are fought because of differences in views,opinions,and beliefs.
People fought others that are different from them. People had that "you're wrong and I am right" mentality, and I see that going on in regards to morals,ethics,religion,politics,education,scientific fields,relationships,the food that we eat...I hate to say,but I see it in Astrology too. Even Steven Forrest who has a close Moon-Eris conjunction says that there is a Tower of Babel going on among astrologers,and he pointed out that the idea of one true Astrology is a myth and destructive. It's often thinking that one is better than the other which can lead to to superiority-inferiority issues. This is what can lead to equal/civil rights issues. Then people feel the need to stand up for themselves and fight for their rights. They end up being advocates which astrologers assign to Uranus. I think that advocacy and activism are mixed up. I think activism is more linked to wanting to get changes made and even progress. It can even be independence to some degree. Abolutionism would seem like Uranus, but the whole slavery thing is based on ideology leading to the superiority-inferiority issues.

Dr. Michael E. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology who discovered the distant ball of ice and rock that he nicknamed Xena and that had been designated 2003 UB313, chose the name Eris, after the goddess of discord and strife in Greek mythology.
“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.
In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.
“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html

Don't many people do that on our planet today? Of course they do, this has been going on for centuries,millenniums. Many arguments,fights,battles,and wars(including civil and world wars) have occurred because of intolerance of people's differences in some form or another.

It seems all about ideology,diversity,equality matters in general. Eris can be about "-isms"

Intolerance of diversity is the greatest problem on our planet.

Even consider it's orbit. Uranus' orbit eccentricity is 0.044 405 586, but Eris' orbit eccentrity is 0.441 77. Therefore, Eris' orbit is more eccentric than Uranus' orbit. It would be logical to think that Eris more eccentric than Uranus in its astrology. Uranus orbital inclination is 0.772 556°, but Eris orbit is 44.187°. Eris' orbit is more inclined. Uranus' orbit mean anomaly is 142.955 717°,but Eris' orbit mean anomaly is 197.634 27°. Eris' orbit is more of an anomaly than Uranus. Conclusion of Eris being more of an anomaly than Uranus in regards to Astrological characteristics makes sense to me. Uranus travels on the ecliptic like all the other planets do,and it's in the constellation of Aquarius right now. Eris travels far off the ecliptic plane,and is in the the constellation of Cetus which is not one of the zodiac constellations. Uranus doesn't have a highly elliptical orbit like Eris does. Unlike Uranus,Eris is a scattered disk object. Of course, Eris is far smaller than Uranus,but larger than Pluto. Eris is a lot more divergent than Uranus can ever be. Eris doesn't fit in with the other planets just like the mythological Eris didn't fit in with the major Greek deities. Therefore it makes perfect sense for me to consider divergence and diversity can be keywords for Eris.

Pluto got to be classed as a planet for over 40 years, but larger Eris didn't get to be classed as a planet, and that mirrors how mythological Eris was a minor goddess who wasn't invited to the wedding of King Peleus and Thetis who were the parents of Achilles who fought in the Trojan War. She was being discriminated against because she was this bad nasty goddess who caused trouble. However, even the major gods/goddesses weren't all innocent. They were known for causing a lot of trouble and being nasty and cruel to mortals and to each other. How can Eris exclusion for being a troublemaker be justified? Certainly,Ares,the God of War, was a nasty,cruel troublemaker,and he was included in the wedding. To me, Eris' throwing the golden apple not only exposed the petty vanities of the goddesses, but also showed how they were a bunch of hypocrites that weren't perfect. Paris awarded the golden apple to Aphrodite who was so promiscuous and didn't care about her own marriage vows with Hephaestus,getting it on with Ares as well as other gods and even mortals like Anchises(father of her son,Aeneas who fought in Trojan War,mythical ancestor of Rome),she promised Paris, the most beautiful woman in the world,Helen, but she was married to King Menelaus of Sparta. I would think that would make Aphrodite a troublemaker and just as dishonorable as Eris. She was held in high regard because of her great beauty,being the Goddess of Beauty and not just Love. Eris was the ugly goddess,and so didn't get a free ride like Aphrodite did. Of course, Aphrodite was far more attracted to the handsome vain,cruel,bloodthirsty Ares than to his ugly hardworking,humble,good-natured brother Hephaestus. To me, Eris can be seen as somebody who is "ugly" but who exposing the ugliness and hypocrisy of people who are "beautiful." To put it bluntly, Eris can be about showing a person who thinks his/her crap doesn't stink really does stink.
Eris doesn't seem to care about the status quo which is based on the majority of what people think is right and what is wrong just like rules and laws which aren't always fair and just. Eris seems to challenge the self-righteousness of others and expose their hypocrisy.

Because of the discovery of Eris', Pluto was demoted to minor planet just like Ceres had been demoted to minor planet. Now Ceres and Pluto are now equals for they are both assigned minor planet numbers and classed as dwarf planets. That's because of the discovery of Eris. Just think how Pluto/Hades and Ceres/Demeter shared time with Proserpina/Persephone in Roman/Greek mythology.
Proserpina/Persephone was away from Hades/Pluto for half of the year to be with her mother,Demeter/Ceres.

This is what Eris' co-discover said in reference to naming Eris when it was just nicknamed Xena.
"Interestingly, there are no actual rules for how to name a planet (presumably because no one expected there to be more). All of the other planets are named for Greek or Roman gods, so an obvious suggestion is to attempt to find such a name for the new planet. Unfortunately, most of the Greek or Roman god names (particularly those associated with creation, which tend to be the major gods) were used back when the first asteroids were being discovered. If a name is already taken by an asteroid, the IAU would not allow that name to be used again. One such particularly apt name would have been Persephone. In Greek mythology Persephone is the (forcibly abducted) wife of Hades (Roman Pluto) who spends six months each year underground close to Hades. The new planet is on an orbit that could be described in similar terms; half of the time it is in the vicinity of Pluto and half of the time much further away. Sadly, the name Persephone was used in 1895 as a name for the 399th known asteroid. The perhaps more appropriate Roman version of the name, Proserpina, was used even earlier for the 26th known asteroid. The same story can be told for almost any other Greek or Roman god of any consequence. One exception to this name depletion is the Roman god Vulcan (Greek Haphaestus), the god of fire. Astronomers have long reserved that term, however, for a once hypothetical (now known to be nonexistent) planet closer to the sun than Mercury (god of fire, near the sun, good name). We would not want to use such a name to describe such a cold body as our new planet!" http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/planetlila/

I checked out any Eris activity during the discovery of Uranus which could reflect that Eris' energy was also involved and that some of its characteristics were assigned to Uranus. Maybe Astrologers picked up on Eris' energy when it was considering Uranus' role in Astrology.

Uranus discovery chart:
March 13, 1781
Bath,England
12:00 PM..not sure of actual time

Mercury in 11'10 Aries
Eris in 13'54 Capricorn
(The Mercury square Eris could relate to perceptions linked to Eris that helped Uranus be discovered which lead to causing disorder in organization of perceptions of the old solar system just like Eris' discovery led to disorder in organization of perceptions of what constitutes a planet leading to Pluto being demoted from major planet to minor planet,and made equals with Ceres with both Pluto and Ceres being classed as dwarf planets. This aspect could be about divergent,diverse communications,mental activity,ideas.)

I have Mercury in 3rd biquintile Eris with 6 minutes of arc myself. The biquintile is a 5th harmonic aspect devised by astronomer/astrologer,Johannes Kepler,and it relates to creativity. I believe that it fits with my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD(they tend to be comorbid) which has a lot to do with neurodivergence,thinking, outside the box,seeing things from other perspectives. I think that this is also reflected by Eris aspecting both my Mercury-ruled angles. It sextile my Gemini Midheaven with 1'01 orb and quincunx my Virgo Ascendant with 1'12 orb. I even have Eris/Node midpoint in Virgo square my Midheaven in Gemini with 8 minutes of arc and Eris semisquare Mercury/Saturn midpoint with 30 minutes of arc. There is a very strong Mercury-Eris theme in my chart. All this a mere coincidence. I don't think so. It's more like synchronicity to me.

I checked to see if any connections to Geocentric Eris Nodes as well as Heliocentric Nodes

Venus in 2'21 Pisces
sextile North Eris Node in 2'21 Taurus
trine South Eris Node in 3'39 Scorpio
sextile/trine Heliocentric Nodes in 2'34 Taurus/Scorpio
This could be values,love,relationships connected to the collective issues of diversity,discord,equal rights
(so Uranus Discovery chart's Venus trines South Eris Node and sextiles the North Eris Node
note: The Eris North Node is sextile its dispositor,Venus...so a double whammy of Eris Node-Venus.)

I checked the Heliocentic Chart (After all..there is such thing as heliocentric Astrology...Philip Sedgwick has a book on it called Sun At The Center..I have that book too)

Heliocentric Mercury in 2'00 Cancer
sextile/trine Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 2'34 Scorpio
(This could be communications,mental activity,ideas that are connected to the collective issues of diversity,discord,equal rights)
Heliocentric Mercury is also the dispositor of the Heliocentric North Uranus Node in 12'50 Gemini

Heliocentric Mars in 13'26 Scorpio
sextile Heliocentric Eris in 12'44 Capricorn
(this could be activity that is diverse,divergent)

Heliocentric Eris also squares its own Perihelion/Aphelion in 11'50 Libra/Aries

I checked to see connections to Eris Perigree/Apogee axis

Perigree:The point nearest the Earth in the orbit of a planet or other celestial body.

Apogee: The point furthest from the Earth in the orbit of a planet or other celestial body.

Mercury is in 11'10 aries
Eris Apogee is in 11'40 aries
Eris Perigree is in 12'18 libra

So Mercury is aspected to not only Eris but Eris perigree/apogee axis and Heliocentric Mercury aspected to Heliocentric Eris Nodes suggesting that Uranus is connected to Eris and that astrologers were picking up on Erisian energy in Uranus and assigning some characteristics to Uranus that actually belong to Eris.

Could it be that the discovery of Uranus that ended up causing controversy,chaos in regards to view of the solar system which also ended up turning astrologers into not only minorities and outcasts from the academic,science fields but also created diversity,divergence in Astrology(for instance,some astrologers don't use the outerplanets and think that's the only right way to do Astrology) is linked to Eris? I believe that's the case. I believe that Eris could be co-ruler of Astrology along with Uranus.

another thing.......

if you check Eris' Perihelion/Aphelion axis and Heliocentric Uranus Nodes today

Perihelion - the point of a body's orbit that is closest to the Sun

Aphelion - the point of a body's orbit that is farthest from the Sun

you will find...

Eris Perihelion/Aphelion axis in 14'46 Libra/Aries
trine Heliocentric Uranus Nodes in 14'05 Gemini/Sagittarius

They move very slowly...far slower than outer planets. They don't even move a degree in a century

The Eris Perihelion/Aphelion axis and Heliocentric Uranus are always trine each other. They are very much connected. That means that the energy of Eris and Uranus are connected to each other too.

If you check the day that Uranus was discovered....

Eris Perihelion/Aphelion axis in 11'50 Libra/Aries
trine Heliocentric Uranus Nodes in 12'50 Gemini/Sagittarius

as you see, the Eris Perihelion/Aphelion axis and Heliocentric Uranus Nodes were trine each other like they still do.

I also find it interesting that Eris' North Node is in Taurus and Perihelion is in Libra, both signs ruled by Venus. This to me, can seem to mirror the mythologicial symbolism of the connection of Eris and Aphrodite with Aphrodite,born from the spot where Ouranos' detached genitals(severed by Cronos' sickle) were thrown in the sea, getting so much respect for her beauty and that she was one of the 12 major Greek deities(think of astronomical Venus' much larger size), but Eris, twin sister of Ares as well as daughter of Zeus and Hera didn't get to be to be included as a major Greek deity but was a minor deity(think of astronomical Eris' much smaller size) with her being ugly.

To me, it's like Eris demanding some equal treatment.

Eris saying "Let that materialistic bimbo rule Taurus, and let me rule Libra."

Of course, Eris' North Node and Perihelion placement mirrors the mythogical symbolism of Eris' throwing the golden apple in the wedding with Aphrodite's claim, competition,and the award of it which led to discord,war,hatred,killing,death,revenge between the Greeks and Trojans. This seems to reflect the Nodal axis in Taurus/Scorpio and Perihelion/Aphelion axis in Libra/Aries.

There are clues to Eris characteristics from not only mythology and but also astronomy

Astrologers don't need to depend on the name of an object to find meaning to it. They can use orbital and physical features for clues. Astronomically-oriented astrologers like Philip Sedgwick,Juan Revilla make that point.

In my own chart, Geo North Uranus Node is 12'04 Sagittarius in 4th conjunct my Imum Coeli in 11'14 Sagittarius,and that's trine by Eris in 12'15 Aries retrograde in 8th. I also have Uranus in 15'17 Libra oppose Eris and conjunct Eris Perihelion in 14'47 Libra. Maybe that has to do with my belief that some of Eris' characteristics had been given to Uranus.

Raymond N. Andrews

posted November 18, 2008 05:34 PM         

I am not sure Eris has the significance of uranus bec it is not in the classic solar system and relates to a much wider swath of human generational time.

Another important point here is about the classic planets up until neptune. They all amazingly follow a pattern in terms of their declinations! They tend to be at their lowest points in sag and capricorn and their highest in gemini and cancer. Very tellingly - this is true for the sun, moon, nodes, mercury, venus, mars, ceres, jupiter, saturn, uranus and neptune. This is not true for pluto, chiron, pholus and the other centaurs. Their declinational patterns are much more idiosyncratic and unique. They are off the grid. They are much more eccentric and eliptical in their orbits and astrological energies play unique and more specific roles which involve transitioning from one stage of life to another, one stage of consciousness to another which is why they intersect major planetary orbits. They do not follow the declination pattern of the other planets.

Eris is part of the same cannon of planets as pluto and the centaurs. Both in its makeup - as a small, rocky dwarf planet and in this declination aspect which is defining. I feel strongly that these other bodies be seen as unique and important colors in interpreting a chart or event but not be put in the same class as the classic planets through neptune. The classic planets are not eliptical or eccentric. They have stable orbits and share very similar declinational patterns. It appears that many of the centaurs have neptunian, uranian as well as chironic and plutonic aspects to them but they are not as cosmic or total in their effect. They deal with particular themes. Chiron with healing, being liberated from an old and always deeply personal limitation. This is not as cosmic, transpersonal or detached as saturn or uranus.

We need more intensive study of the centaurs and outer dwarf planets until they become mainstream. It has taken chiron almost 40 years to achieve more or less mainstream status and while it is undoubtedly extremely significant in a chart, it somehow is not as fixed in its definition as uranus, neptune, saturn or jupiter which are larger consciousnesses and less personal. The same goes for pluto, pholus, chariklo and the others which have a mix of the personal, the cosmic and their own unique transition consciousness energy. They all relate to the orbits they intersect as well which suggests that areas of the sky are particularly themed regardless of the number of planets inhabiting them.
Eris is much further out than pluto and would seem to relate to trans-plutonic themes which are far, far beyond uranus. This is not a random system where we can assign similar meanings from inner planets to outer planets. Each concentric circle represents a level of consciousness. In fact, mercury is closer to uranus than eris is and it probably has more in common with it than eris does.

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