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posted November 20, 2008 09:49 AM         

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How significant is ASC in synastry ?

Does anyone have any personal experience with PLuto and / or Saturn 0 ASC?

I've read some explainations about those aspects but I'd really be interested to hear some real experiences , how does it effect the ASC person and how the planet person ( does the planet person has some kind of urge to control or dominate the ASC ?)

I have those aspects in synastry with someone, but it's a long - distance relationship so we don't see eachother so often. I have to admit that he is somehow controlling, but it's not very obvious, at least not yet !

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posted November 20, 2008 10:43 AM         

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posted November 20, 2008 11:20 AM         

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I've been involved with two people who have their Pluto right on my ASC .. the only thing I have noticed is that there is instant attraction on both sides, but there is tension there..always..some type of tension, and it often manifests itself through arguments and power control. With this aspect I think both individuals need to be mature enough to respect each other and not try to change the other.

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posted November 20, 2008 12:12 PM         

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Pluto on the ASC in synastry has no effect. You would have that aspect with millions of people. Anything past saturn has no bearing in synastry unless they aspect a personal planet of the other person which also aspects a personal planet of yours. Outer planets do not on their own effect synastry. They are transformational and by their nature temporary and only active for periods of time. Saturn is the boundary for our level of reality so to speak and it represents time philosophically and in many ways practically.

The ASC is a point of energy focus in a chart. It is not a planet and aspects to it do not work the way they work with inner planets. The ASC, like the nodes interplays in synastry by conjunction only. It is more receptive and yin than yang. ASC/node aspects are significant. Other personal planets like sun/ASC conjunctions will be highlighted in synastry and feel significant. Venus trine ASC or merc Square ASC and other non-conjunction aspects have no meaning.

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posted November 20, 2008 12:27 PM         

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Bucketrider - says who? i disagree, as i have felt the effects of ASC and 1st house synastry especially because I have a very affected 1st house.

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posted November 20, 2008 12:48 PM         

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The ASC is important, especially if you consider conjunctions to the DSC as opposing the ASC. I have Saturn/Uranus opposite my ASC. They are outer planets, but they are definitely still felt and definitely important. They show how I relate to other people.

For the outer planets, I use exact degrees for them to significant. I have Venus square Pluto with my boyfriend, at an exact degree. It is very much felt, though he has this with everyone my age. But he could be dating older women, where this aspect wouldn't exist.

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posted November 20, 2008 01:06 PM         

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amowls, yes, i think exact or at least within 1-2 deg. are needed for outer planets to be effective..and also, as with everything else in synastry..it must be triggered by an attraction or interaction of some sort.

and this is off topic but a question for you amowls, how has venus square pluto manifested in your relationship? are you venus or pluto? thanx!

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posted November 20, 2008 01:16 PM         

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I agree, close aspects to outer planets, especially Pluto are definitely felt.

Also conjunctions to any calculated point like ASC, DSC, IC, MC, NN or SN are strong, especially if they conjunct the ASC- DSC-axis.

Regarding other aspects to the ASC, I`m on the fence with this one. I can understand how one comes to think they don`t work. They just are different things than planets, as they are only calculated points, and I think they may need a planet conjuncting them to trigger them.
They are,a s pointed out, Yin energy; they are just there, looking good , and waiting for someone to see them and react to them.

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posted November 20, 2008 03:15 PM         

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Saturn on the ascendant feels like hell.
The strongest tie I've ever had was Mercury and Moon conjunct my ascendant. With Mercury it was as though we finished each other's sentences all the time, and with the Moon, there was always complete awareness of the other person's moods/feelings. I've had both these aspects with someone and the connection was so strong, it was crazy.

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posted November 20, 2008 03:25 PM         

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Virgo - i like moon on the ASC or at least in the 1st house in synastry, too. you can definitely feel the other person..you sense their mood at all times when together. and when they're in a bad mood, you're in a bad mood too!

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posted November 20, 2008 03:48 PM         

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augentier, yep...the time when the Mercury and Moon were conjunct my ascendant they fell into my first house, and forget about hiding anything. On the same wavelength...wonderful feeling *sigh*

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posted November 20, 2008 04:12 PM         

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A guy I dated had his saturn conjunct my ascendant and I felt I couldn't be myself around him, like inhibited.

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posted November 20, 2008 04:29 PM         

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augentier: I'm Pluto, he's Venus. I've had a crush on him for a long time, and he didn't really like me at first. 5 years later he's all over me. Our relationship started out as sort of "secret" I guess. He was dating someone and I was dating someone, but we decided to drop those other people and be together.

We go through power struggles. Since he has Venus square Pluto natally, he feels the need to dominate me and he gets super jealous of other guys around me. Normally I'm not needy or possessive in relationships, but I happen to be going through a Pluto square Venus transit, so I try to dominate him too.

It's a pretty intense relationship.

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posted November 20, 2008 05:04 PM         

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Amowls -

The outer planets are in a completely dif class than the inner planets. There are a number of astrologically significant centaurs aside from chiron. Are you going to tell me you feel aspects to them in synastry? Do you have deep transformative relationships with thousands of people? I dont think so. Nobody does. Outer planets are potentially significant if they aspect inner planets which then for major aspects in synastry with someone else. On their own they do nothing.

Aside from intense research on this point, I have experienced several times - conjunctions to my uranus, neptune and pluto in relationships which had absolutely no uranian, neptunian or plutonic themes. You are overinterpreting. There are other reasons for intense relationships. Pluto is not intensity. It is transformation, confrontation, birth and death. It deals in wounds which last a long time. It is not about having an "intense relationship."

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posted November 20, 2008 05:34 PM         

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Bucketrider, what would an example of a felt aspect be to you, then? Are you saying Venus is not a personal planet if it aspects Pluto? But I thought Venus was a personal planet?
I guess I don't understand exactly what you mean.

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posted November 21, 2008 11:15 AM         

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i disagree with people saying that pluto is not important, but then again, my pluto is conjunct sun and vertex and it squares my moon. also, my longest, most important relationships involved and still involve the pluto/asc conjunction. and i'm always the pluto person. well, i guess i have a special magnet for libra asc people. from my experience this connection is intense and it changes the people involved, for better or for worse. yes, there is the issue of control and some power struggles. but, i stress again, i felt closer to these persons than anyone else.

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