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Jugular Knowflake Posts: 185 From: New York, NY, USA Registered: Jan 2008	posted November 20, 2008 07:42 PM Do any of you have this in your synastry with a long-term romantic interest? Their Saturn opposition your sun? If yes, what is your experience of this? Do any of you experienced astrologers feel that this aspect in synastry would be so bad that anyone should walk away from this kind of potential relationship because it would end up being painful, or destructive somehow? IP: Logged
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 689 From: processing destination...... Registered: Sep 2008	posted November 20, 2008 08:27 PM No, my mother and stepfather, married 25 years, have Saturn oppose Sun one way, the Saturn square Sun the other. I had it with my ex-husband. It's not a great aspect, but it's amazingly common in marriages and long-term relationships I've found. Crazy glue. My ex's Saturn squared my Sun. Eventually we divorced (my choice, though he was equally miserable - and I would most certainly NOT attribute it to a single aspect). This is how that aspect played out for us: At first, he was like this toward me: I think your carefree nature is amazing, I love it. Then : I envy your carefree nature. Then : I'm jealous of how you are. You are completely irresponsible. But I'm jealous. I hate that I am. Exact words. If I had to chalk up my Saturn square Sun experience, it would be the above example. IP: Logged
Jugular Knowflake Posts: 185 From: New York, NY, USA Registered: Jan 2008	posted November 20, 2008 08:42 PM Do you think it plays out in a similar manner always, i.e., the Saturn person kind of being like a wet towel vis-a-vis the Sun's enthusiasm? IP: Logged
Jugular Knowflake Posts: 185 From: New York, NY, USA Registered: Jan 2008	posted November 20, 2008 08:43 PM MVM, what happened in your mother's case? How did Saturn act, and why was she unhappy? IP: Logged
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 689 From: processing destination...... Registered: Sep 2008	posted November 20, 2008 09:01 PM Well, my mother's got Saturn square Sun natally...so I don't think it is AS bad for her. For my stepfather though, I think he and my mother have major communication problems. However, they're very much in love and still together, never looked like they were going to divorce or leave each other, never did anything beyond bicker. Their synastry isn't great, but they love each other...some things can't be explained I guess ...they even have Pluto square sun in the composite, though they both have it in opposition in their own natal charts. They both have their Plutos squaring my Sun though, and I can assure you THAT was not easy growing up with For me, I do think the Saturn person becomes a wet blanket at times. I also think the Saturn person is a very comfortable presence for the sun person. It's like a familiar presence, someone you rely on. You don't notice the more negative stuff in the beginning of the relationship - if anything, I think the Sun person feels like they have someone who feels very comfy and familiar and who is always THERE for them...and they are really all of that. It's over time that the dynamic gets a little stifling, a little dampening, etc.. Still, I would never call it a deal-breaker in a relationship. It's really glue-like. That bond remains for a long time. I was Saturn once and squared another guy's sun and after a while I couldn't stand the feeling of responsibility. He was so comfortable with me, and I was too, but there were SO many other terrible aspects and our relationship wasn't good at all. I've read that the Saturn person rarely leaves the relationship - it's usually the Sun person that does because they feel oppressed, and the Saturn person feels enormously abandoned (Saturn invokes a lot of fears as well, it's not just some taskmaster, it's also a level of fear)...but in this case, I left the Sun person...he was waaay scattered and really truly irresponsible in many, many ways. One of the few times when I found myself using the term 'responsibility' a lot (in the emotional sense)...and didn't find out until later that I was the Saturn person! IP: Logged
Jugular Knowflake Posts: 185 From: New York, NY, USA Registered: Jan 2008	posted November 20, 2008 09:41 PM MVM, that was such a great, thoughtful response, I appreciate it. What I'm trying to understand is what exactly you felt, as Saturn, when you say "responsibility". Do you mean that you were the grown up one, so you paid the bills and made sure there was toilet paper in the house? That kind of thing? IP: Logged
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 689 From: processing destination...... Registered: Sep 2008	posted November 20, 2008 10:03 PM Thanks, Jugular I meant emotional responsibility...I've never been that kind of materially responsible person to begin with...but in general emotional responsibility means a lot to me, and in this case it was extremely heightened. It was about saying what you mean, meaning what you say, walking your talk, etc.. I felt the person I was with talked a whole lot, but did nothing in his own life. He had a lot of great ideas, and I was always very supportive. The burden a lot of times fell on me to 'get things done' as far as dealing with his emotional issues, though he was never so supportive of mine. It's funny because in that relationship I was more matter-of-fact...didn't really lay my own emotions on the line so much because I felt more wary and needing to 'control' myself so that I would not get hurt. Saturnian ... the few times I did open up a little, I felt extremely vulnerable, and then kind of cut down by him for expressing sensitivity. My Saturn is in Cancer, so it added to that kind of hypersensitivity. IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 501 From: ca, usa Registered: Jan 2008	posted November 21, 2008 12:27 AM MVM your description is almost classic. stephen arroyo couldn't have said it better, though he said it almost the same!! jugular, saturn IS glue. whether it kills your relationship or not, as MVM implies, is what ELSE is going on in the relationship. what often happens is the saturn person gives off feelings of security to the sun person...and then when the sun person starts growing and changing (as we all do) the saturn person gets scared (the fear MVM mentioned) and tries to sit on the expansion/ growth of the partner. with conscious effort and forewarning you CAN work with these energies and both parties can benefit. but if there's TOO MUCH hard stuff elsewhere in the chart, yes, it can be a relationship killer. NOT NECESSARILY!! MOST longlived marriages and partnerships include one or more major saturn aspects... IP: Logged
writesomething Knowflake Posts: 2376 From: meet me in montauk Registered: May 2006	posted November 21, 2008 12:38 AM heres an example in motion.....jennifer aniston and john mayer have a double whammy sun opposite saturn in synastry....its a strong glue. my prediction is theyre going to make babies and get married. IP: Logged
Snow_Dream Knowflake Posts: 126 From: Wichita, Kansas USA Registered: Jun 2007	posted November 21, 2008 02:21 AM My love and I have double whammies of Sun square Saturn, I can't really say how it affects us yet, since we're still in the "honeymoon" stage. IP: Logged
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 689 From: processing destination...... Registered: Sep 2008	posted November 21, 2008 02:53 AM I gotta read Stephen Arroyo. I hear a whole lot about him, and I'm always trying to learn more to add to the 'astro experience'. I feel like the best way I can learn astrology is through hands-on experience, so when I have had extensive dealings with an aspect, it sinks in a lot better than when I just read about it. Snow_Dream, the early times are the bait!!! Run while you can! Just kidding ... don't let it knock you. All the other romance indicators for me really mean nothing without this aspect. You get this, it's a bind for life, IMO. Forget the other pleasantries. Man, I tell you, the Saturn square Sun thing is weird glue! I don't think Saturn to other planets is as strong (Saturn on my Mars it ****** me off, my Mars is pretty prominent and deliberate and does not like to be messed with AT ALL...same with my Venus, my chart ruler) Saturn to my (12th house) Moon makes me want to put on my running shoes (I've got a Uranus opposition there as the only aspect). ...but on the Sun it's got some bonding effect for sure. With my having a peregrine Sun, I wonder about this aspect... For runner-up I'd take Sun square Moon for a storybook romance, though it's not nearly as long-lasting...it's got passion and mutual fascination that's endless (though painful)... IP: Logged
23 Knowflake Posts: 4497 From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain Registered: Aug 2006	posted November 21, 2008 03:20 AM Mr 23 and I have been together for a long time now and his Saturn is conj my Saturn which both oppose my Sun. I see him as a scrooge, in fact I call him that to his face . Luckily he sees the humour in it. He is Cap rising so he is rather reserved in projection anyway but I guess he's the responsible one in the relationship who is building for the future and I'm the doofus who likes to spend his money. He says that I have a childlike innocence but whether this is caused by my Aries Rising or Sun, I don't know. I've said this heaps of time before but Saturn really is the superglue in relationships. It is also very prominent between family members. IP: Logged
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 689 From: processing destination...... Registered: Sep 2008	posted November 21, 2008 03:52 AM "I'm the doofus who likes to spend his money." LOL. 23, you're too adorable, I swear. What Scrooge can stay a Scrooge LOL????? IP: Logged
CoralFrequency Knowflake Posts: 1432 From: Registered: Feb 2007	posted November 21, 2008 04:00 AM quote: don't let it knock you. All the other romance indicators for me really mean nothing without this aspect. You get this, it's a bind for life, IMO. Forget the other pleasantries. Man, I tell you, the Saturn square Sun thing is weird glue! Stop freakin' me out dammit!! lol This is like the 3rd Saturn thread in a week lol IP: Logged
writesomething Knowflake Posts: 2376 From: meet me in montauk Registered: May 2006	posted November 21, 2008 04:09 AM coral...lol i thought you had the sun conj saturn in synastry? yeah, i noticed the saturn threads too.....bah IP: Logged
writesomething Knowflake Posts: 2376 From: meet me in montauk Registered: May 2006	posted November 21, 2008 04:11 AM I read this in Liz Greene's book...when a man's saturn conjs a woman's sun, he stifles her creativity, he feels a need to keep her knocked up and in the kitchen, so she doesnt excel him...the fact she might not want to, doesnt occur to him... IP: Logged
taurus/gemini cusp Knowflake Posts: 750 From: London, England Registered: Sep 2006	posted November 21, 2008 04:30 AM My other half and I have this aspect. It's my Saturn conjunct his Sun. Is it a relationship dealbreaker?! Nope. We've been together for 6 years already and are engaged to be married. Even if we don't make it, it won't be because of this aspect. It's actually one of the things in our synastry I'm grateful for..... He sees me as the responsible one. I'm like; "whaaaaaaaaaaat?!" (If you knew how highly irresponsible I can be, you'd think that too)!!! But I see what he means. For example, whilst we are both terrible with our finances, I am slightly better with my money than he is. I am also more able to make sacrifices in order to meet my goals - he is more reluctant. I have to admit, I occasionally envy him for his opportunity. I have had to struggle every step of the way to make something of myself due to a bad start in life and the struggle still continues. (Saturn, lets not forget, is the planet of restriction and limitation). He however, was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has had it relatively easy. Then again, he is so generous that you can't hate on him for too long!!! So that's my Saturn manifesting. His Sun? Well he calls me his rock and although I probably annoy him with my slow progress, he knows that once the ball is rolling, I'll fly!!! He also claims that he'd literally die of heartbreak should I disappear. Sometimes I feel the same..... We also have other Saturn aspects, my favourite being his Saturn EXACTLY conjunct my Pluto. Just gorgeous..... You'll never get strong Saturn contacts out of your life completely. It's super-glue. Saturn mates for life, even if you don't..... IP: Logged
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 689 From: processing destination...... Registered: Sep 2008	posted November 21, 2008 04:32 AM Oh MAN, I have an ex visiting in January whose Saturn conjunct my Sun EXACTLY at zero degrees. The chemistry is amazing, but I'm an artist and with Saturn conjunct my Sun in my own chart through transit right now, this whole thing can make me completely hit a wall...AAGHHH!!! Running away.... IP: Logged
Jugular Knowflake Posts: 185 From: New York, NY, USA Registered: Jan 2008	posted November 21, 2008 06:21 AM How good to wake up in the morning and discover the thread you started has taken off! You guys are awesome! I am so grateful for having found this forum... actually, for the universe having led me to this forum. So, I get it: Saturn binds you to the other person. I just thought since we're talking about an "opposition" that it was an unpleasant kind of binding. I have to read some Arroyo myself. I'm gonna do my part to support the economy and find my way to Amazon... IP: Logged
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 6678 From: Australia Registered: May 2008	posted November 21, 2008 06:23 AM Jugular quote: actually, for the universe having led me to this forum. That's exactly how I see it happening for me. IP: Logged
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 6678 From: Australia Registered: May 2008	posted November 21, 2008 06:24 AM I like 23's take that Saturn is the glue factor. Saturn does bring challenges, but it also brings longevity and stability. IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 501 From: ca, usa Registered: Jan 2008	posted November 21, 2008 04:00 PM well i just want to plug stephen arroyo one more time. it was he and liz greene who made sense of saturn for me. his ASTROLOGY, PSYCHOLOGY AND TRANSFORMATION (sic?) is BEYOND COMPARE in making the karmic contacts in charts, personal and synastric, understandable. Liz Greene is also great on saturn (A NEW LOOK AT AN OLD DEVIL) although sometimes she is a bit dour in presentation she is VERY clear and has a really good grasp of the subject...both these people took me out of feeling sorry for myself with all my outer planet aspects (every one of them tied to one or more of my personal planets!) and into appreciating the potential power there!! IP: Logged

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