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In mythology, Ceres/Demeter had a daughter named Proserpina/Persephone who was kidnapped by Hades/Pluto to be his consort in the Underworld. Ceres was in grief over losing her daughter, and so the Earth suffered because she was the Goddess of the Harvest. She ended up getting her daughter back but not permanently. Proserpina ate some pomegranate seeds. Proserpina had split time between her mother and Pluto. So when Proserpina was with Ceres, the Earth had Spring and Summer. When Proserpina was with Pluto,it had Fall and Winter.
the theme was the mother having a hard time letting go of the daughter, the empty nest syndrome...also girl becoming a woman....you could say it also be losing one's virginity.
I always thought Ceres was another indicator for mother in the chart. Ceres is the asteroid of nurturing,and it does seem to strongly have to do with maternal matters.

In Roman mythology, Ceres is the goddess of growing plants (particularly cereals) and of motherly love. Ceres was worshipped in Ancient Roman religion,and is today still worshipped in Religio Romana Neopaganism. Ceres was usually equated with the Greek goddess, Demeter.
Her name may derive from the hypothetical Proto-Indo-European root "ker", meaning "to grow", which is also the root for the words "create" and "increase".
Ceres was the daughter of Saturn and Ops, wife-sister of Jupiter, mother of Proserpina by Jupiter and sister of Juno,Vesta,Neptune,and Pluto.
The Romans adopted Ceres in 496 BC during a devastating famine, when the Sibylline books advised the adoption of her Greek equivalent Demeter, along with Kore(Persephone) and Iacchus (possibly Dionysus). Ceres was personified and celebrated by women in secret rituals at the festival of Ambarvalia, held during May. There was a temple to Ceres on the Aventine Hill in Rome and her official priest was called a flamen. Her primary festival was the Cerealia or Ludi Ceriales ("games of Ceres"), instituted in the 3rd century BC and held annually on April 12 to April 19.

Ceres, is the smallest identified dwarf planet in the Solar System and the only one in the asteroid belt. It was discovered on January 1, 1801, by Guiseppe Piazzi,and is named after the Roman goddess, Ceres — the goddess of growing plants, the harvest, and of motherly love.
With a diameter of about 950 km, Ceres is by far the largest and most massive body in the asteroid belt, and contains approximately a third of the belt's total mass. Observations have revealed that it is spherical, unlike the irregular shapes of smaller bodies with lower gravity. Ceres appears to be differentiated into a rocky core and ice mantle. It may harbour an ocean of liquid water underneath its surface, which makes it a potential target of current searches for extraterrestrial life. Ceres may be surrounded by a tenuous atmosphere containing water vapour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceres_(dwarf_planet)

My exgirlfriend broke up with me because of her man-hating feminist mother,and they are very close. her mother doesn't want her being with other men, Like Ceres/Demeter couldn't let go of Proserpina/Persephone and she feels that she is the only one that can be there for her mom. You can see how difficult it would be to have a relationship with her. I would have considered both of them as family. The Ceres theme of nurturing,mother-daughter relationships figured prominently.

keywords for Ceres can be about mother/daughter issues,letting go,the empty nest syndrome
Demeter can be the same too

keywords for Proserpina can be a girl becoming a woman,leaving the nest,losing one's virginity
Persephone can be the same too

Eris,which is a dwarf planet that has a Persephone-like orbit could have Persephone characteristics and not just Eris characteristics

What is the real name going to be?
this part is obviously out of date. the answer to the question? Eris

When a new object is discovered the International Astronomical Union (IAU) gives it a temporary designation based on the date it was first seen. Thus 2003 UB313 can be decoded to tell you that the data from which the object was discovered was obtained in the second half of October 2003. Next, depending on what the object is, the discoverers propose a certain type of permanent name.
Interestingly, there are no actual rules for how to name a planet (presumably because no one expected there to be more). All of the other planets are named for Greek or Roman gods, so an obvious suggestion is to attempt to find such a name for the new planet. Unfortunately, most of the Greek or Roman god names (particularly those associated with creation, which tend to be the major gods) were used back when the first asteroids were being discovered. If a name is already taken by an asteroid, the IAU would not allow that name to be used again. One such particularly apt name would have been Persephone. In Greek mythology Persephone is the (forcibly abducted) wife of Hades (Roman Pluto) who spends six months each year underground close to Hades. The new planet is on an orbit that could be described in similar terms; half of the time it is in the vicinity of Pluto and half of the time much further away. Sadly, the name Persephone was used in 1895 as a name for the 399th known asteroid. The perhaps more appropriate Roman version of the name, Proserpina, was used even earlier for the 26th known asteroid. The same story can be told for almost any other Greek or Roman god of any consequence. One exception to this name depletion is the Roman god Vulcan (Greek Haphaestus), the god of fire. Astronomers have long reserved that term, however, for a once hypothetical (now known to be nonexistent) planet closer to the sun than Mercury (god of fire, near the sun, good name). We would not want to use such a name to describe such a cold body as our new planet! http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/planetlila/

Any Ceres transits during the breakup? Lets see.....shall we?


Transiting Ceres in 1'31 Gemini in my 9th
conjunct my Varuna in 3'01 Gemini in 9th
oppose my Neptune in 1'48 Gemini in 7th
square my Moon in 3'10 Pisces in 6th
(T-Square Transit......this indicates that mother/daughter issues are in extreme conflict that involve women and relationships)


Secondary Progressed Ceres in 21'37 Leo in 12th
square natal Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 3rd
(mother/daughter issues are currently in conflict with my lovelife)

and transiting Eris in 21'07 Aries is trining my Secondary Progressed Ceres and quincunxing my Venus which could bring the mother/daugher theme out even more

in my exgirlfriend's

Her Ceres in 12'01 Aquarius in 12th
square Venus in 13'24 Taurus in 2nd
sextile Mercury in 13'26 Aries in 1st
sextile Eris in 15'09 Aries in 1st
(mother/daughter matters in conflict with her love life....her Venus has no ptolemaic aspects too)

my Ceres in 13'57 trines her Mercury,but it forms a t-square with her Venus square Ceres.


As for her Demeter....

Demeter in 23'18 Aries
conjunct Mars in 25'28 Aries
trine Midheaven in 22'40 Sagittarius
sesquiquadrate Uranus - '41
parallel Venus - '21
(mother/daughter issues affect men in her life and relationships....mother/daughter matters a big part of her life)


How does Persephone and Proserpina fit in?

well.......

Her Persephone in 22'48 Pisces
square her Midheaven in 22'40 Sagittarius
contraparallel her Sun - '57
(just call her Persephone!...hahahaha)

My Venus in 21'47 Scorpio trines her Persephone


Her Proserpina in 29'41 Scorpio
semisextile Neptune in 29'13 Sagittarius Stationary Retrograde
semisextile Pluto in 28'40 Libra
sesquiquadrate Eris - '28
(I guess her Proserpina in the last degree of Scorpio is significant and it semisextiling her stationary Neptune, sesquiquadrating Eris which has a Persephone-like orbit)

also in her chart:
Moon in 1'24 Scorpio in 7th/8th
conjunct Saturn in 2'45 Scorpio Retrograde in 7th/8th
conjunct Pluto in 28'50 Libra Retrograde in 7th

(so you see that there could be issues of responsibility,letting go involving the mother that effect relationships..a highly symbiotic relationship with the mother)

her Moon-Saturn conjunct my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio,and so that indicates that her obligatory maternal matters could strongly impact me,and it trines my Moon too, and I felt that I could easily accept her relationship with her mother and that I could be friends with her mother.


Persephone,Proserpina,Ceres,Demeter in my own chart:

Ceres in 13'57 Leo in 11th
oppose Vertex in 14'58 Aquarius in 5th
trine Eris in 12'15 Aries Retrograde in 8th
sextile Uranus in 15'17 Libra in 2nd
sextile Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini
parallel Midheaven - '08
(mother/daughter matters figure prominently in romance,relationships)

of course, my Ceres forms a t-square with her Venus square Ceres,trines her Mercury


Demeter in 6'30 Aries Retrograde in 7th
trine Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius in 3rd
sextile Saturn in 5'08 Gemini in 9th
quincunx Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd
sesquiquadrate Venus - '16
(a Yod of Sun quincunx Demeter-Saturn sextile....karmic fated mother/daugher matters figure in my relationships conflict with my lovelife--------go figure!)


Proserpina in 18'10 Pisces in 7th
trine my Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd
parallel Moon - '46
(this indicates that mother/daughter issues figure strongly in my relationships with women in my life)

Her Moon parallels my Moon-Proserpina


Persephone in 16'12
trine Ascendant in 13'26 Virgo
sextile Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio
square Uranus in Libra in 15'17 Libra
semisquare Neptune - '35
(Persephone square my Uranus in relationship sign and semisquare my 7th house ruler indicates the mother/daughter issues strongly connected to my relationships)

How did Demeter/Ceres,Persephone/Proserpina theme show in our composite?

Ceres in 12'59 Scorpio in 6th
conjunct Uranus in 12'09 Scorpio in 6th
quincunx Ascendant in 13'35 Gemini
(mother/daugher issues can bring changes in relationship)

Proserpina in 23'56 Capricorn Retrograde in 8th
conjunct Sun in 22'17 Capricorn in 8th
sextile Mars in 25'41 Pisces in 10th
(issues of leaving the nest merge with the expression with opportunity to be assertive)

Persephone in 19'30 Aquarius in 8th/9th
conjunct Venus in 17'35 Aquarius in 8th/9th
oppose Saturn in 18'56 Leo in 2nd/3rd
sextile North Lunar Nodes in 19'27 Aries/Libra in 11th/5th
sextile Juno in 17'20 Sagittarius in 7th
(major karmic love,relationship issues of leaving the nest that can involve restrictions,setbacks)

Demeter in 14'54 Aries in 11th
conjunct Eris in 13'42 Aries in 11th
oppose Pluto in 14'46 Libra in 5th
trine Neptune in 15'31 Sagittarius in 7th
(power issues involving the mother/daughter matters figure prominently in romance,relationships in harmony with idealism)


This was definitely a highly karmic relationship involving mother-daughter issues,leaving the nest

Maybe I should start worshipping Ceres myself, and while at it,her daughter, Proserpina!


I am definitely considering making Ceres Pluto's equal in the Astrology that I do just like the astronomers made Ceres Pluto's equal with them both classed as dwarf planets now.


Raymond

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