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Glaucus
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posted December 02, 2008 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
SOLAR RETURN OF A DESTINED RELATIONSHIP

I talked to my mom on Thanksgiving, asking her when she met my father. She told me that she met him in Feburary, 1970. She gave birth to my halfbrother on December 1969. She is not sure of the date. She was forced to give him up for adoption. She was 15 at the time. She was 17 years old when she gave birth to me on October 29,1971. My father was almost 31 at the time.


I did her June 12, 1969 Solar Return to see if anything pointed to significant relationships

This is what I found:


Sun in 6th - focus on daily routine
square Pluto in 8th - in friction transformation,intensity in the area of sexual matters.....strong emphasis on transformation
square Jupiter in 8th - in friction with expansion in the areas of sexual matters
semisquare Venus in 4th - in minor friction with love in the areas of domestic environment -'39

a conjunction of
Venus in 6'20 Taurus in 4th - love,relationships in the areas of domestic environment
Saturn in 5'08 Taurus in 4th - discipline,structure in the areas of domestic environment
trines Ascendant in 7'40 Capricorn (the sign of her natal Descendant)
(Venus-Saturn trine Ascendant points to serious,committed relationship...it can involve a much older partner...my father was 13 years older than her)
quincunx Mars in Sagittarius in 11th
(in strain with assertion,passion in the areas of friendship)

Venus-Saturn quincunx Mars can indicate
serious,committed relationships with a bit of passion that can make her uneasy. it can also involve older people.

Moon in 2'32 Gemini in 5th - emotional focus in the areas of romance,children
Mercury in 3'39 Gemini in 5th - mental focus in the areas of romance,children
(emotional focus,mental focus in the areas of children,romance)

oppose Neptune in 26'40 Scorpio in 11th
(idealism,dissolution in the areas of friendship)

Moon-Mercury in 5th oppose Neptune in 11th can indicate sacrifices involving children..so giving up her child ....also she could have gotten involved with the wrong people in regards to friends...She was on her own in San Francisco which is home to many weird,dysfunctional people. Also my father was a recovering drug addict. How is that for Neptune??? My father had Moon in Pisces like me and my maternal grandfather along with stationary Neptune.

trine Uranus in 29'53 Virgo in 9th
(change,independence in the areas of expansion)

Moon-Mercury trine Uranus in 9th can fit in with relocations with Moon involving domestic matters ,Uranus is the planet of change,and 9th house is long distance travel.

Moon contraparallel Ceres - '13
(this fits with being pregnant and giving birth)


I also check the asteroids pertaining to my father
Lawrence,Laurentia,Larry - for my father's first name,Lawrence
Scott,Scotti - for my father's last name, Scott


Laurentia in 21'03 Gemini in 6th
conjunct Sun in 21'59 Gemini in 6th - merge with ego,self,expression in the areas of daily routine
square Pluto in 22'26 Virgo in 8th - in friction with intensity,transformation in the areas of shared resources
sextile Scotti in 19'21 Leo in 3rd
semisquare Venus in 4th - '17 - in minor friction with love,relationships in the areas of domestic environment
semisquare Saturn in 4th - '55 - in minor friction with discipline,structure in the areas of domestic environment
(my father was the main focus for the year!)
she met him 8 months after she started the solar return period...you can meet that fated relationship partner late in the solar return period....so if nothing goes on after half a solar return period is over, it doesn't mean that nothing will happen, it could happen late in the period like it happened with my mother)

Scotti
semisquare Mercury in 5th - '45 in minor friction with mental focus in the areas of romance,children

Larry in 5'56 Capricorn in 12th Retrograde
conjunct Ascendant in 7'40 Capricorn - merging with the person
square Chiron in 6'34 Aries in 3rd - in friction with wounded healing issues in the areas of communications
trine Venus in 5'08 Taurus in 4th - in harmony with love,relationships in the areas of domestic environment
trine Saturn in 6'21 Taurus in 4th - in harmony with structure,discipline in the areas of domestic environment
semisextile Mars in 5'51 Sagittarius in 11th - in minor working with assertion,passion in the areas of domestic environment
(serious,committed wounded healer relationship with my father)


Lawrence in 8'05 Leo in 7th
square Venus in 6'21 Taurus in 4th - in friction with love,relationships in the areas of domestic environment
square Saturn in 5'08 Taurus in 4th - in friction with structure,discipline in the areas of domestic environment
trine Scott in 9'13 Sagittarius in 11th
quincunx Ascendant in 7'40 Capricorn - in strain with the persona
semiquare Sun in 6th - 1'05 - in minor friction with ego,self expression in the areas of daily routine

Scott
quintile Jupiter - '28 - in creative connection in the areas of sexual matters


I checked asteroids in regards to my father being black

Africa,Africano,Black,Negron,Niger


Black in 8'14 Cancer in 7th house
conjunct Descendant in 7'40 Cancer - in merging with relationships
oppose Larry in 5'56 Capricorn R
semisextile Lawrence in 8'05 Leo in 7th
(this indicates a relationship with a black person named Lawrence/Larry)


Niger in 1'26 Cancer in 6th
trine Midheaven in 0'29 Scorpio
(blacks in harmony with social status)

Negron in 4'52 Libra in 9th
sextile Mars in 5'51 Sagittarius in 11th - working with assertion,passion in the areas of friendship
trine Moon in 2'24 Gemini in 5th - in harmony with emotional focus in the areas of romance,children
trine Mercury in 3'40 Gemini in 5th - in harmony with mental focus in the areas of romance,children
(this indicates romance involving a black man)


Africa in 18'20 Leo in 8th
trine Scotti in 19'24 Aries in 4th
sextile Sun in 21'59 Gemini in 6th - working with ego,self expression in areas of daily routine
sextile Laurentia in 21'03 Gemini in 6th
(my father,Lawrence Scott who is Black)



Meeting my father was no accident. You could say that it was fate or destiny. She was meant to meet him. After she was forced to give up her son, she ran away to San Francisco where she met my father.
They had an interracial relationship(my mom being white,my father being black) that resulted in me being born on October 29, 1971. I wouldn't have been born if she had kept her firstborn son and didn't move. The purpose of losing her son and running away to San Francisco seemed to meet my father so I can be born.

The solar return showed that it was all meant to happen. Like some cosmic plan. I am of illegitimate birth with my parents never married to each other. I was unplanned too. My parents were together until 1972. We never heard from my father since then. He disappeared without a trace. He had went back to using drugs. so yeah...it's a tragic situation. It's not some ideal soulmate relationship, but at the least,I was a result of it. I believe that a couple coming together for a short time can be very karmic if a child is the result of that relationship. I believe that having a child together,bringing another person into the world is like the strongest karmic connection that two people can with each other regardless of the longevity or brevity of the relationship.


I do believe that everything happens for a reason. Asteroid Astrology seems to show that.

I have seen asteroids play out in solar returns big time. ...even in lunar returns too.

Yeah...it makes me want to look to see who might be my future lifeparther and mother of my children

hahahahahaha

Raymond

This is only part 1.

part 2 will be my mother's natal chart to show that she was born with the predestined astrological setup to meet my father.


Raymond

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posted December 02, 2008 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
here is part 2

The Natal Chart of my mother showing the astrological predestined setup of meeting my father

Sun in 21'59 Gemini in 12th - self expression,ego,men
trine Neptune in 23'25 Libra R in 5th - in harmony with idealism,dissolution in the areas of children
trine Scott in 22'38 Aquarius in 9th
sextile Pluto in 22'54 Leo in 3rd - working with intensity,transformation in the areas of communication
sextile Niger in 23'26 Niger in 3rd
semisextile Uranus in 21'25 Cancer in 2nd - minor working with change,unexpected in the areas of security
(A KITE of Sun,Neptune,Pluto-Niger,Scott indicates a sensitive,idealistic intense,transformation involving my father who is Black that involves change,unexpected)

Moon in 18'57 Scorpio in 5th - emotional focus in the areas of romance,children
square Laurentia in 16'57 Leo in 3rd
(this indicates emotional connection with my father that led to romance and having a child together but involved difficulty in communications)


Venus in 25'04 Cancer in 2nd - love,relationships in the areas of security
conjunct Uranus in 21'25 Cancer in 2nd - in merge with change,unexpted in areas of security
oppose Chiron in 27'45 Capricorn R in 8th - at odds with wounded healing matters,maverick in the areas of shared resources
trine Lawrence in 25'56 Pisces in 10th
square Neptune in 23'25 Libra R in 5th - in friction with idealism,dissolution in the areas of romance,children
Africano in 25'25 Aries in 11th
Africa in 26'06 Aries in 11th
(Grand Cross of Venus-Uranus, Chiron,Africano-Africa,Neptune indicates an unstable,unexpected love,relationship with a black person that was painful,as well as involved deception,illusion,escapism,drugs.....Venus trine Lawrence indicate her love,relationships that tend were in harmony with my father)

Midheaven in 8'57 Pisces - aim of life,social status,soul
conjunct Larry in 8'13 Pisces
square Black in 7'32 Gemini in 12th
square Negron in 10'52 Gemini in 12th
(this indicates her aim of life strongly involved my father who was black that included much difficulty and karma)

Mars in 5'49 Capricorn R in 7th - assertive,passion in the areas of relationships
oppose Jupiter in 4'29 Cancer in 1st - at odds with expansion,optimism in the areas of self
oppose Scott in 5'56 Cancer in 1st
sextile Saturn in 3'04 Scorpio R in 5th - discipline,structure in the areas of children
sextile Larry in 8'13 Pisces in 9th
sextile Midheaven in 8'57 Pisces - working with aim of life,social status,soul
(this configuration indicates the passion,expansion that involved my father which led to her having a child by him.)

Neptune in 23'25 Libra R in 5th - idealism,dissolution in the areas of children
sesquiquadrate Midheaven in 8'57 Pisces - in minor friction with aim of life,social status,soul
sesquiquadrate Larry in 8'13 Pisces in 9th - '11
(this indicates the idealism that she had about my father that ended up resulted in me being born...it also indicates the escapism,drugs involving my father)

5th house/12th house ruler Venus in 25'04 in Cancer in 2nd - love,relationships in the areas of security
semisquare Negron in 10'52 Gemini in 12th - '48
(this indicates love that involve difficulties,karma with a black person that ended up resulting in me being born)

As you see, her natal chart shows that she was meant to meet him. Meeting my father was no accident. She was destined meet him in order for them to become my parents.

It seems that when we are born, we have celestial alignments that indicate future relationships with certain people.

I believe everything happens for a reason.


I also want to stress that free will is the ultimate factor.

no matter what astrological setups we might have in regards to meeting somebody and having a relationship with him/her, we have the the free will to choose and decide to have the relationship or not.
In my mom's case, she made the choice and decision to get involved with my father. She also made the choice and decision to end the relationship when she realized that it was unhealthy,harmful for both her and me. She definitely has no regrets about being involved with him because I was the result of that relationship. I am her pride and joy just like I know that my future children will be my pride and joy.


Raymond


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posted December 02, 2008 01:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message
why june of 69?

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MyVirgoMask
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posted December 02, 2008 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting!
Yes, I definitely think karmic relationships aren't always 'meant' to last. Sometimes people cross paths for a very specific reason, to create something (or someone) before moving on.

How does one find the name asteroids ?

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posted December 02, 2008 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
My mother was born on June 13th

She told me that she gave birth to my halfbrother on December 1969 and met my father on February 1970

a solar return is a chart that is used as forecast for the whole year

my mother's solar return period June 12, 1969 to June 12, 1970.

the birth of my halfbrother and the meeting of my father happened during that solar return period.

Therefore, I used the the solar return chart of June 12 1969.


you can find the name asteroids on astro.com

here is the asteroid list to make it easy http://www.astro.com/swisseph/astlist.htm

Raymond

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posted December 02, 2008 01:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Raymond, I could never do the math nor am I very educated on asteroids, past life stuff, although I find it quite facinating. I really do not understand it. I apprecaite your conclusions and fully respect your education on these things.

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posted December 02, 2008 02:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Glaucus could you give me information on my chart.

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posted December 02, 2008 02:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message
welcome to ll farcyded....

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posted December 02, 2008 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I want to show you the regular synastry between my parents. After all, no matter the asteroid setup, it's the planetary action that help make things happen. The attraction,relationship indicators happen to be there. I am not including any asteroids in this chart except for Ceres which is a dwarf planet which I found as much astrological influence as even its fellow dwarf planet,Pluto. Ceres is a personal planet,and not generational. I also included Juno which is one of the major asteroids associated with committed relationships. Please note that I don't view Juno as sex which is its meaning in Magi Astrology. Of course if it involves Mars, it is a passionate relationship. Of course,if it involves Venus, it can be an affection relationship. Of course if it involves Pluto,it is an intense relationship.

now with that in mind

using orbs of only 4 degrees for synastry aspects.
only 2 degree orb for Uranus aspects
only 1 degree for Neptune and Pluto aspects

if the outerplanet is stationary in the synastry,then the orb is extended to acknowledge the unusual power due to the planet being stationary.

My father's Sun-Mercury conjunction falls in her 7th house. That indicates that his ego,self expression(Sun) and his mind,communications(Mercury) have an effect on her that can lead to a relationship with him
His Sun conjuncts her North Lunar Node in 7th house which indicates his ego,self expression merge with her destiny in relationships. His Mercury conjuncts her Mars in 7th and opposes her Jupiter in 1st which indicates his mind,communications(Mercury) merge with her assertion,passion in relationships and is at odds with her expansion,optimism in regards to her self. His Sun,Mercury are in the same sign as her as her Descendant and North Lunar Node. This indicates that his ego,mind and how she is relationships and her destiny have seriousness,practicalness in common.

His Mars is in her 6th house and closely squares her Juno. That means his passion,assertion have an effect on her daily routine and is in friction with her committed relationship in communications. This aspect can indicate a relationship that is too passionate for its own good and involve jealousy and can lead to violence. His Mars is in a wide trine to her Venus with both in the same element. This means that his physical energy can be in harmony with her love nature in regards to their shared sensitivity,emotional depth,and nurturing. His Mars is in the same sign as her Moon and Saturn which shows that his physical energy and her emotional nature and discipline have intense,transformative traits in common.

also looking at my mom's midpoints. Her Mars/Neptune midpoint is in 29'36 Scorpio,and his Mars conjuncts that. It indicates his passion affects her idealistic passion. Her Venus/Ceres midpoint is in 29'01 Leo and her Jupiter/Neptune is in 29'01 Leo, and this indicates that his passion affects her nurturing love nature and her expansive idealism.
I don't really believe in wide orbed trines,and so I looked to see if his Mars aspects a Venus midpoint of hers which can indicate a sexual attraction. Sure enough..there was one.


His Venus is in her 6th house,and that indicates that his love nature has an effect on her daily routine.

His Ceres is in her 6th house,and that indicates that his nurturing nature has an effect on her daily routine.

His Jupiter-Saturn (both stationary) conjunction is in 11th house, opposing her Saturn in 5th, trine her Mars in 7th,and sextiling her Jupiter in 1st. This means that his combined expansion/optimism and structure/realism has a strong effect on her friendships, is at odds with her structure,discipline in romance,children, in harmony with her assertion/passion in relationships,and works with her expansion in regards to her self.
note: stationary planets are strong energies. so stationary planet in a house have a strong effect in the house that is in.
They actually form a Mystic Rectangle which indicates that this relationship is very significant and has a special purpose.

His Uranus is in 11th house, squaring her Pluto in 3rd, and oppose her Moon in 5th,and sextile her Uranus in 2nd. This indicates that he can bring about change,unpredictability in her friendships, and that they involve conflict with intensity,transformation in her communications, works well with change,unpredictability in regards to security.
His Uranus forms a t-square with her Moon square Pluto indicating a turbulent unstable,intense emotional connection.

His Stationary Neptune is in her 4th house,sextiling her Venus in 2nd, and this indicates that he has a strong idealistic,dissolving effect in her domestic life,is working with her love nature in regards to security.

note: Stationary planets are strong energies. His Neptune is stationary,and so it has a strong effect in the house that it's in....also I don't use 2 degree orbs with sextiles in synastry involving Neptune...but this is a special case with his Neptune being stationary.

His Pluto is in her 2nd house, closely squaring her Saturn in 5th. This indicates that he has an intense,transformative effect on her security,and it's in friction with her structure,discipline that involves romance,children.


He has Jupiter-Saturn(both stationary) trine Juno, and they forms a Kite with her Mars in 7th sextile Saturn in 5th and forms a Kite with her Mars in 7th oppose Jupiter in 1st which indicates that this was a serious,committed relationship was very significant and had a special purpose that involve children.
2 Kites indicate a very special,purposeful relationship


my father's birthtime is unknown...if he was born in the early morning, his Moon could be in early Pisces...then he and my mother would have formed a a Grand Sextile aka Star of David which can indicate highly significant,special,purposeful relationship.

So their synastry had both a Mystic Rectangle and 2 Kites. Definitely some major symmetical planetary geometry that indicate very special bond that led to me being born. Of course, this reflects my mom's natal aspects and her solar return chart for the period she met my father.


Raymond


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Michael E. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology who discovered the distant ball of ice and rock that he nicknamed Xena, chose the name Eris, after the goddess of discord and strife in Greek mythology.

"It is absolutely the perfect name," Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

"She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else's is wrong," Brown said. "It really is just perfect."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/09/15/MNGS8L67LJ1.DTL

Ideology,Diversity,Divergence,Equality,Sharing,Advocacy,Discord,Debating,Compromise,Agreeing to Disagree,Alternative Viewpoints, Seeing/or not seeing Eye to Eye.

Eris in Aries Retrograde in 8th oppose Uranus,trine Ceres,sextile Midheaven,sextile/trine Lunar Nodes,trine Jupiter,quincunx Ascendant,biquintile Mercury,parallel Pluto

Sun conjunct South Eris Node in Scorpio in 2nd

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posted December 02, 2008 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Glaucus

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posted December 02, 2008 03:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message
very interseting. I notice you did not include any points at your moms asc.....iq relies on that a lot in soulmate or fated type synastry...do you think it is as weighty of a factor? my vertex and dc were conjunct the day I met my s.o., his venus conjuct sun, many 7th house planets both synastry and in composite, but, no acs contacts...wierd...but I notice you didn't include them. I know you don't have dad's birthtime..but moms?

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posted December 02, 2008 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I didn't use the points that you mentioned because of my father's unknown birthtime.

also there were no aspects within 4 degrees of my mom's personal points. Therefore,they weren't mentioned.

"relies on that a lot in soulmate or fated type synastry...do you think it is as weighty of a factor?"

Yeah...but in my parents' case, there are no aspects involving the personal points unless my father's personal points are aspected by mom's planets,points.

There are probably some,but without birthtime, there is no way to find out.

but he does form a Kite and Mystic Rectangle with her 7th house ruler(Saturn)in 5th though. That could be significant too.

Her Mars-Jupiter opposition squares his Lunar Node axis with 12 minutes of arc and 1'06 orb respectively. This could indicate a karmic connection that involves passion,expansion.

Her Mars = Jupiter = His Node


the interpretation for Mars-Jupiter
MA.JU.*
+ enjoys one's work. venturesome. active. enterprising. energetic. practical. resolute. circumspect. positive in outlook. champions justice. acquisitive. experienced at handling money. athletic.
Success in work. Satisfaction with one's work. Good luck in enterprises. Favorable decision. Good deed. To act fairly. To contribute to happiness. To work for profits. To make gains. Financial work. Procreation. Child. Birth. Bearing of fruits.
- impulsive.

the interpretation for the node


NO : Lunar Node :
MANIFESTATIONS : Connections. Relationships. Contacts. Links. Encounters. Touching. Couplings. Unions, Alliances. Common bonds. Togetherness. Personal relations. Bonding.
MED/CHEM: The navel. Body joints.

the interpretations are from Ruth Brummond's Rulebook.


my Mom's Ceres is conjunct his Node...that even adds to the procreation part.


in cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology, Mars-Jupiter has to do with procreation,birth,child. Node is connections,associations,unions. So my father's Node aspecting my mom's mars-jupiter indicates connectios,assoication,union that involves procreation,birth,child

my mom's Mars trines my father's Jupiter can also indicate their procreation to have a child.

My father's Pluto parallels my mom's Sun,and my mom's Pluto contraparallel my father's sun, and so they had intense,tranformational effect on their ego,vitality. Very intense bond.


His Eris is sesquiquadrate her Moon in 5th with only 5 minutes of arc. This indicates that his divergence,ideology in minor friction with her emotional nature. This also could indicate issues of diversity in their relationship with it being interracial and producing a child from it.

His Venus parallels my Mom's Moon indicates his love nature and his emotional nature merge into an affectionate,emotional bond.

Her Venus contraparallel her Sun indicate an affection,romantic connection with his love nature being at odds with her ego.

His Venus contraparallels her Uranus,and this indicates an unstable love connection with his love nature being at odds with her independence.

His Sun contraparallel her Mercury-Venus-Jupiter-Pluto which can indicate a strong intense,espansive,communative bond with her communications,love nature,expansion,intensity at odds with his ego. 4 planets aspecting each other in declinations is very significant too. Planetary synchronization in the declinations.

His stationary Saturn semisquare her Sun with 56 minutes of arc can indicate that his structure,discipline in minor conflict with her ego. It can be a restricting influence.


Raymond

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posted November 17, 2010 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
This post is so brilliant!

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