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Deliverance
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posted December 06, 2008 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deliverance     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What are your experiences with Mercury in Capricorn?

I've read that its a serious & sombre placement for mercury....a real miserable sod (not my belief)
The positive are that the native has an executive mind & is a methodical thinker....

What d'you think?

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posted December 06, 2008 04:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They will not be disrupted in their thinking process. Very serious, very focused. Reminds me of Denzel Washington in 'The Siege'.

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posted December 06, 2008 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for annaf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I completely disagree with negative descriptions of mercury in capricorn. It'S true that mercury in capricorn is very cool, calm,collected, in a way a scientific mind, but most of my friends and I have mercury in capricron and we All have a great sense of humour. I guess it's more the dry, ironic kind and not very loud, but definiteyl not a sad bunch.

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posted December 06, 2008 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deliverance     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 06, 2008 06:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my favourite description of merc in cap is "a mind like a steel trap"!! ...keith richards has this one and was supposedly very shy in his younger years (before it progressed to aq/pis/probably in aries by now...)

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posted December 06, 2008 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for annaf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
deliverance,

yes that's also my experience. Generally people take me and what I have to say seriously. But I gues with the double dose of saturn in my chart (sun, mercury, venus in capricorn AND saturn in the 1st) I would be very surprised if anyone considered me fluff

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posted December 06, 2008 07:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I've read that its a serious & sombre placement for mercury....a real miserable sod (not my belief)


Mercury ruling 3rd square to Capricorn would show this. Not your belief

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The positive are that the native has an executive mind & is a methodical thinker....


Mercury ruling 3rd, in Capricorn is exactly how I would describe the above statement as.

I have Mars ruling 3rd placed in Scorpio. Selfish type with a bit of penetration. Or innuendo

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posted December 06, 2008 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

shrugs

I believe how Mercury in Capricorn functions depends on how it is aspected.

aspects can strongly modify it and that can include midpoints

if Mercury aspects Neptune or a midpoint that involves Neptune, then the mental activity can be more idealistic,sensitive,inspirational and can be less practical,grounded.

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posted December 06, 2008 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deliverance     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 06, 2008 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Deliverance,

I don't really care much for Tyl. Those interpretations are just some guidelines. That's why there are only a few words.


here are interpretations for Mercury,Venus,Mars configurations

from Ruth Brummond's Rulebook

ME.VE.MA.
+ high-spirited. passionate. erotic. aesthetically conscious. eager for contact. people-oriented. enjoys games and discussion. skilled at writing. communicates appealingly. has artistic talent. Author.
Harmonious debate. Conversation carried on with passion. To make an acquaintance. To think and act with devotion. To implement desired ideas. Sexual thoughts. Early sexual maturity. To seek equilibrium in communications. To conclude a compromise. To pursue a hobby. To make artistic ideas manifest. Creative writing. Handicrafts.


keep in mind that these are just possible manifestations that fit the the symbolism of the 3 planets. not all nor most will apply to you

of course, free will is the ultimate factor

I have Venus semisquare Mercury/Mars midpoint myself, and I can relate to them.
My Mars square my Venus-Mercury conjunction.

Ebertin's COSI was written a long time ago during dark times

I like Ruth Brummond's because they are more modern and include a lot of psychological stuff.


the quintile is a 5th harmonic aspect,and it's associated with creativity

so Mercury quintile Uranus can indicate that mental activity,communications are in a creative connection to higher mental activity,independence,innovation


here is an interpretation from a site:
Mercury quintile Uranus
You have a very exceptional mind. You might be considered a genius for your remarkable insights and lightning-like perceptions. Your ability to communicate ideas may be your most unusual quality, you are very gifted at expressing new and original concepts so that they can be easily grasped by others. You may communicate very unconventional and far-reaching thoughts. You are known for your originality.
http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/Mercury_Aspects.html

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posted December 06, 2008 10:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sister has this placement (she is also a Cap sun and ASC) .. she speaks in a very matter-of-fact tone.. it almost comes across as rude and DEFINITELY comes across as know it all.

From what I observe she thinks in a logical, calculated fashion and is very good at arguing and problem solving. She is very intelligent but sorry to say she comes across as a straight up ***** sometimes! Can seem very cold and harsh..

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

Mercury:: Sagittarius
Venus::Scorpio
Mars::Pisces

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posted December 07, 2008 02:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
augentier, an old friend of mine is a triple cap too and she has that same tone. she's always been very Authorotative (except when we were young teens and she was shy). sometimes she can be way too sure of herself and comes off as condescending.

my guy is a cap mercury and he is pretty all over the place mentally (he is a silly fellow and also has ADD) but definitely has a course of action and thought that is completely CONSISTENT within that variance, if that makes any sense. he's very driven and sure of what he wants and is unwavering in his loyalty to things that matter. also has tonnes of integrity. i forget the aspects he has to mercury at the moment.

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posted December 07, 2008 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ranti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A friend of mine with Sun/Asc/Mer triple Cap left laughter in her wake everywhere she go. Darn bright too, the kind that took full scholarship to top 20 US college being the only foreign student in her class, and her subject is Professional English. Go figure.

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posted December 08, 2008 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
augentier, you had it pegged with the matter-of-fact tone. That's exactly what it is. I've found that no matter what happens, no matter how laid-back they are, the natural response of Mercury in Capricorn is VERY matter-of-fact and at times cold.

I was married to a Mercury Cap. and his Mercury conjunct his sun. He wasn't talkative. Said 'should' a whole lot. It irritated me personally. No room for argument (Mercury in Libra here...I think I thrive on it LOL). It just IS what it is. But it's also, oddly, highly subjective too. That's what's maddening about this Mercury.
It can sound highly judgmental and condescending at times.
I've had a couple of friends with this also and they tend to sound this way. There's an odd bossiness, even a weird abruptness. They certainly aren't 'chatty'...but even when they care, and love you, they are not fanciful.
Get a couple of drinks in them though, and watch a completely different side emerge

In truth, it's not my favorite position for Mercury...but then I like to banter and debate and daydream with my mouth open at times.

I think these guys aren't so much into debate. Rocking the boat seems to bug them. Playing devil's advocate (which I do a lot) seems to rub them the wrong way. If you have something to say, it had better be very well-thought out, and grounded in the here and now. And not too abstract !

I think they can have sort of a deadpan humor or the typical Cappy corny humor. It really depends on your own Mercury and what you like, to decide what you think. They're just not my cup of tea from what I've seen so far.

Could always be proven wrong

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posted December 08, 2008 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mother told me that my father had speech problems like me. She told me that he stuttered. He also cluttered(rapid,loose,tangential,and can be disorganized) speech like me. He was very shy about talking to people that he didn't know,and he would stutter badly. My mom told me that she would talk for him some time when they are around people that he didn't know. He had auditory processing problems like me too. He needed things to be repeated to him. From all that my mom, told me. He was very shy,insecure because of those issues. My mom told me that he was soft-spokened like me and that he was even more soft-spokened.

I inherited those issues mainly from him...even his coordination issues. Even a lot of his personality. I never knew him. That's an example of personality characteristics aren't necessarily learned from the environment.

I found out that he was born on January 2, 1941 thanks to finding him in California social security death record index online and getting his birth certificate. His birthtime was not recorded on birth certificate which really disappointed me for I wanted to know more about him through Astrology just like I learned more about my mom's unknown birthmother through Astrology.

He had Sun-Mercury in Capricorn trine Jupiter-Saturn in Taurus(both stationary), but that would not indicate problems with communications.

If an orb of 1'30 degree is used for a sesquiquadrate, Mercury sesquiquadrate Uranus is in orb from midnight of January 2nd to midnight of January 3rd.

Ruth Brummond's Rulebook interpretation for negative Mercury-Uranus characteristics:
- hasty. rash. unsettled. impatient. hurried. short tempered. nervous.
Upsets or arguments in or about a discussion. Nervousness.


His Mercury squares the lunar nodal axis too,and that could indicate his problems with communications.

Ruth Brummond's Rulebook negative characteristics for Mercury-Node
- restless. unstable. nervous.

but yeah...he had Mercury in Capricorn,and his mental activity was a lot different from the stuff that I read about Mercury in Capricorn. I also wondered about his Moon in Pisces(like me) being disposited by a stationary Neptune in Virgo. I have something similar with Moon in Pisces in 6th square Neptune in 3rd.

I also checked to see if he had any transneptunians in hard aspect to his Mercury

using an orb of 2 degrees, there is a Mercury-Ixion square from midnight of January 2nd to midnight of January 3rd.

Ixion is conjunct North Lunar Node,and his Mercury squares that conjunction.
That could probably indicate his communication problems.

I would think that Mercury in a hard aspect to a transneptunian, the thinking can be so metaphysical that there can be problems on the physical plane in the form of neurodivergence.

Ixion is a big plutino(meaning that it's a kuiper belt object that has 2:3 resonance with Neptune like Pluto...for every 3 times Neptune orbits around the Sun, Pluto and the plutinos orbit twice around the Sun)


He also had Mercury square Eris within 4 degree orb. That might also be an indicator for his neurodivergence.


any ways...he's a perfect example that you have to look at the aspects to his Mercury and that you can't just go by the sign placement of his Mercury to determine how he thinks and communicates. I believe that the transneptunians fill in the holes,and I feel that's the same with minor aspects like the sesquiquadrate which is a regularly used aspect in Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology.

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posted December 08, 2008 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My husband has this placement. He is practical, a good problem solver. His job involves solving problems effectively, and financial considerations are part of it.

He's not miserable. He loves satrical humour, and particularly political humour.

I am deeply biased as his Mercury is Trine my Mercury in Taurus within 1 degree.

I like practical and fair thinkers, and get a little irritated with people who bring overly emotional or personal insights into logical arguments. It can confuse things and bring in prejudice. Yes, feelings matter, but everyone has them so it can be hard to prioritise fairly on this basis.

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posted December 08, 2008 05:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus, what are the midpoints (im still a newbie to astrology) i don't understand how to see what these are, my thinking processes and seriousness is a bit like the capricorn description, but only at times when im being serious, i also know how to have a sense of humour (but i suck at making others laugh, i just laugh at others)

my merc is in virgo,

heres my chart

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posted December 08, 2008 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deliverance     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 08, 2008 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Glaucus, what are the midpoints (im still a newbie to astrology) i don't understand how to see what these are, my thinking processes and seriousness is a bit like the capricorn description, but only at times when im being serious, i also know how to have a sense of humour (but i suck at making others laugh, i just laugh at others)
my merc is in virgo,"


Midpoint is the middle of the distance between 2 points. You get the midpoint by adding the 2 points together and dividing my 2.

when a midpoint is contacted by another point, it works as a combination of 3 points. This means that there is a harmonic triangle in a certain harmonic.

Aspects are geometrical angles(degree divisions of a circle),and they are based on harmonics(fractional division of a circle).
like conjunction 0 degrees is 1st harmonic
opposition 180 degrees is 2nd harmonic
trine 120 degrees is 3rd harmonic
square 90 degrees is 4th harmonic
quintile 72 degrees is 5th harmonic
sextile 60 degrees is 6th harmonic
septile 60 degrees is 7th harmonic, and so on


Your Mercury is conjunct your Venus/Mars midpoint with 1'13 orb. I already gave the interpretation for Mercury-Venus-Mars earlier in the thread.


Your Mercury is oppose Midheaven/Node midpoint with 1'26 orb
MC.NO.ME.
+ entertaining. highly aware. enjoys contact with others. agile or mobile. youthful. nimble. busy. has business acumen. people-oriented.
To think of associates. To talk about contacts. Discussion of relationships. Personal exchange of ideas. One's own opinion. My business associates. Intellectual soul union.
- unsettled. restless. nervous.

Your Mercury is oppose Eris/Node midpoint with 1'10 orb, and this could indicate maybe divergent thinking as communication connections with diversity of people. There is a possibility of ideological thinking or communication connections with people that are ideological. This aspect could indicate somebody who might be into debating too....especially offering alternative viewpoints to other's views which can seem controversial to others. This is how I am with my own Mercury biquintile Eris with 6 minutes of arc.


I couldn't notice that your Mercury is sextile Quaoar with only 6 minutes of arc. Quaoar is a kuiper belt object that orbits beyond Pluto. Because it orbits beyond not only Saturn but all the other outerplanets, it's related to the metaphysical aspects of life. It is also said to be associated with creativity too. That's a pretty cool aspect for metaphysical subjects and being creative.


Quaoar: Native American deity of creation. The first object in space to bear a Native American name (not counting Hopi and Navajo, which refer to tribes). Orbital Period: 283.84 yr.

Positive - creative, inspiring, possibility oriented, uplifts sagging emotion, strong sense of self

Negative - doom saying, prophet of Armageddon, controls others with fear

Mundane - birds, frogs, bears, songs and dances of cultural or spiritual origin, harmony, syncopation, rhythm

Ceremonial - singing and dancing praise the Creator, use of animal totems
http://www.philipsedgwick.com/


as for your seriousness, well..you have Moon square Saturn with 35 minutes of arc. With such a tight orbed aspect like that,it should be a rather dominating theme.

your Moon squares Neptune with 1'35 orb....that's a close orbed aspect.

actually your Moon squares Saturn-Neptune opposition and the Saturn/Neptune midpoint
. Moon square Saturn/Neptune midpoint with 30 minutes of arc.

I have something similar, Moon square Saturn-Neptune opposition and oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint.


here is an interpretation of Moon-Saturn-Neptune from Ruth Brummond's Rulebook.

MO.SA.NE.
+ empathic. sensitive . private; drawn to obscurities. serious. free of confinement or restraints. cautious. deals with medical issues. seriously interested in metaphysical factors.
Gynecology. Concern with obscure problems. [Responsibilities during night hours.]
- secretive. insecure. dissatisfied; discontented. hopeless. pessimistic. melancholy. contrary. lacking in self-confidence. dejected; mournful. emotionally distraught. manic depressive. emotionally cold.
Uncertainty of an older woman. Continual deceit of or due to the wife. Secret separation from a woman. Problems due to uncertainty. Unrecognized problems. Continual emotional weakness. Insomnia. Long illness. Chronic circumstances. Brain malfuctions. Uncertainty about or due to public problems. Deceit of a small nation.


keep in mind that these are just possibilities that fit in with the planetary symbolism of Moon-Saturn-Neptune. Not all nor even most will apply.
there is also free will to consider. Most of these definitely apply to me, both the positives and negatives...even the brain malfunctions(Dyslexia,Dyspraxia)


I am kinda skeptical about Mercury in sign placements. I just don't put much emphasis on sign placements. I put more emphasis on the planetary geometry,aspects. none of the stuff about Mercury in Capricorn really applied to my father.

as for me, I have Mercury in Scorpio, but I believe that my thinking is far more Neptunian than anything else...I can totally relate to Mercury in Pisces
My Mercury is parallel Neptune with 33 minutes of arc,and my Mercury is conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint with 14 minutes of arc due to 27th harmonic triangle(grand trine in 9th harmonic chart....9 X 3 = 27). I also feel that my Mercury-Saturn-Uranus-Sedna 11th harmonic isosceles trapezoid which has corresponding midpoint pictures of Sedna oppose Mercury/Uranus - '17, Mercury oppose Saturn/Sedna - '16,Mercury/Sedna oppose Saturn/Uranus - '01 indicate my thinking is "out of this world",remote that is very divergent. I believe Mercury-Sedna aspects can be like Mercury-Neptune aspects, but even more imaginative,sensitive,otherwordly,metaphysical. Sedna is a large transneptunian,and is the most distant object in our solar system when it is at its most distant point from the Sun. It is named after an Inuit Seagoddess.


but yeah...I prefer to look more at the aspects of Mercury than the sign placement for how mental activity is like.

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posted December 08, 2008 10:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that was a really long post Glaucus! you are such a devoted poster, you allways put your full into them!

gotta be one if not the top contributing member here : )

yeh, i can relate to most of that, definitely, and especially the moon aspects you mentioned, i don't have any brain malfunctions that im aware of, my mother has Bipolar though, i on the other hand definitely lack self confidence and such. I do have a horrible phobia if that counts, i have a (be ready to laugh..) phobia of vomiting. (my self being sick) its such a complex and horrible phobia because you can't run away from what your afraid of, when you feel sick and the panic and anxiety kicks in, theres no stopping it, you are practically forced to face your fear eachtime and it never gets better !, and since theres countless possibilities of causing vomiting, it can make people housebound (i fortunately am not, but it makes me stay away from alot of things in life, like holidays /planes/)

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