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Topic: critical degrees
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Lara Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted December 08, 2008 05:37 AM
Hi!I'm confused... you all talk about critical degrees of 29' and l have no idea what it means! For example if a composite has MC/IC at 29' scorpio/taurus would does it mean please? Are critical degrees fated or negative, karmic or anything else! IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 2101 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 08, 2008 07:56 AM
Critical degrees can be temporary, lasting for days or even years. Say the Venus transit / eclipse of June 2004. The degree(s)may emphasize a corresponding degree in the natal and are powerful. Big aspects to the slow movers [Jupiter on out] can happen 3 - 5 times. Right now we have Saturn Uranus in opposition which will be exact 5 times. Permanent degrees are equinox or solstice points. Zero of Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn. Halfway between the Cardinal ~ so called Aries points ~ are the Avatars They are 15 degrees of the fixed signs so..15 Taurus, 15 Leo, 15 Scorpio, and 15 Aquarius. Solstice points are biological. Avatars are spiritual. Beginnings and endings of signs are important as well. Just as the zodiac as a whole is a cycle, each zodiac sign by itself is also a cycle. The beginnings and endings of cycles are always important, so 0 degrees and 29 degrees of each sign are critical degrees. 0 degrees represents new beginnings or unfoldings of the energy and effects related to that sign. 29 degrees represents our efforts to complete or perfect our handling of that sign's energies. The themes relating to each zodiac sign are specific to their energy and should be examined. Some say the 0 degree or 29degree are the most powerful of each sign, a culmination. Aspects to the degrees also need to be examined. For ex.the conjunction is quite powerful in the slow movers as they are once in a life time events and are presages of a new cycle beginning. The word critical resonates as crisis in some minds. The word anarectic resonates as chaos. But both are necessary to the cycle of life. Some are semi-permanent like the GC Galactic Center @ 26+ Sag. An extremely powerful point. And the GA or Great Attractor @ 14+ Sag. But that would take a very long post
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buena36 unregistered
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posted December 08, 2008 08:36 AM
Hi Lara,I have ASC at 13'51 degrees of Libra: critical degree. I feel them almost all the time. Somebody wrote (not here) that has the same ASC and very hard life. It is hard life (now), but it was nice as well. About 29 degree: most of the people are psychics or clairvoyants if they have that degree in Pisces, Scorpio or some other sign. Buena ------------------ Therapies cannot change the fate! - C.G.Jung IP: Logged |
Scorpionic Web Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Philadelphia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 08, 2008 08:50 AM
The 29th degree is often considered vulnerable and unfortunate.A friend of mine had her Sun at the 29th degree of Virgo (health), it's strongest aspect was an exact square to Neptune (drugs), obviously at the 29th degree, of Sagittarius. She died of a drug overdose at 18 years old. IP: Logged |
Lara Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted December 08, 2008 08:55 AM
Node, Thank you and also l love Crowded house!So interesting thanks I am looking at my composite with my man and this is why l ask cos we have a few 29's... l just hope critical doesn't mean it's bad!! venus 28' aquarius (ok its not 29 but!!) jupiter 29' leo chiron 29' pisces isis 29' aries IC 29' taurus MC 29' scorpio Also cupid 0' cancer ceres 0' scorpio sedna 0' taurus IP: Logged |
Libralove09 Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Oct 2009
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posted December 08, 2008 08:57 AM
this is scary, astrology gets so complex, where does it end?theres "decans", degrees meaning things, houses, signs, planets, whew.. where does it stop? i can't tell what the degrees are, from angles? :S my IC[Libra] is 29th i think, not sure ? p.s. What do the green symbols mean (in the aspects chart at the bottom?) and the black ones? IP: Logged |
buena36 unregistered
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posted December 08, 2008 09:21 AM
Hi,My ex friend (her Natal Chart is there, where is Saturn in 6th) has Sun at 29 degrees of Pisces: she is happy, healthy, clairvoyant, has much younger and well educated man, money. What more she needs? All that with very low education! I have no planets at 29 degrees (except Lillith at 29 degrees of Scorpio) and I am more unhappy than people with so-called critical 29th degree. Buena
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 9272 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 08, 2008 11:31 AM
NODE - what do you mean "15 dgs fixed signs are the AVATARS"? people with these placements are avatars? or that is where they will meet them? or....???IP: Logged |
Lara Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted December 08, 2008 11:33 AM
Libralove, your IC is 22' libra IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 2101 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 08, 2008 11:46 AM
Re: avatars--> A nickname for the 15th degree of the signs Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius. Many astrologers consider these 4 points to be "entry points" for important spiritual energies.
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Libralove09 Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Oct 2009
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posted December 08, 2008 11:48 AM
Lara, does that mean my Aries MC is 29th degree? aka, this "bad aspect" everyone is talking about?IP: Logged |
Lara Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Dec 2011
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posted December 08, 2008 11:57 AM
your MC is 22' aries !IP: Logged |
sonah22 unregistered
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posted December 08, 2008 05:17 PM
I have merc at 29, and I do tend to vacillate between reason and excessive emotion. 29 Degrees can mean an indecisive, restless nature.However, my merc 29 is trine pluto at 29 also, so I think it's very positive also in that it helps me reform my thinking. But I can see where it would be a problem in that it's just so restless. IP: Logged |
triplecancer Knowflake Posts: 34 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 08, 2008 06:59 PM
Hi Lara, I don't really know what it means in composite and how "critical" it could really mean. For relationships I usually look at synastry more than composite. But anyway, regarding natal charts, I have mars in taurus in 29th degree in 10th house and it has been very difficult for me to make decisions with regards to career paths. I'm never sure what I want to do and don't put all my energy and focus into an area I like. But I also have chiron conjunct MC, so I don't know it it's the 29th degree or chiron that brings the difficulties in that area. IP: Logged |
Oracle Knowflake Posts: 38 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted March 26, 2012 08:26 PM
I have Avataric aspects in my natal chart, but I do not understand them. Maybe someone can explain whether or not my aspects mean I'm an Avatar? Rising Gemini Sun Capricorn Moon Aquarius Mercury Capricorn [R] Venus Scorpio Mars Scorpio 15 degrees 5th/12th depending on software Jupiter Scorpio Saturn Taurus 15 degrees [R] 11th/6th depending on software Uranus Libra Neptune Sagittarius Pluto Virgo North Node Aquarius Midheaven Pisces Part of Fortune Leo 15 degrees 3rd Vertex Scorpio 16 degrees Juno Taurus 16 degrees Believe it or not many of my Arabic parts are fixed signs ranging from 14 degrees to 16 degrees as well. For example, Part of Spirit Leo 15 degrees, Ability Scorpio 16 degrees, Ancestral Heritage Leo 15 degrees, Unusual Events Aquarius 15 degrees, Happiness Taurus 14 degrees and Beauty Taurus 13 degrees. Can anyone elaborate or shed some light? I'm just curious. I appreciate your efforts. Thank you. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka Knowflake Posts: 2131 From: Toronto Registered: Mar 2012
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posted March 26, 2012 09:54 PM
My natal sun is at a critical degree for fixed signs.I'm not sure what the significance of this is, though. IP: Logged |
Oracle Knowflake Posts: 38 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted March 28, 2012 04:13 PM
...I mean many of my Arabic Parts are in fixed signs rnging from 14 degrees to 16 degrees.
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sweet-scorpion Knowflake Posts: 1220 From: PA, USA Registered: Apr 2012
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posted April 16, 2012 10:25 AM
I have my Mars in the 8th at 29 degrees. And sadly I can agree that for me, this anaretic degree DOES resonate with the word 'chaos' as described in the original post. I see my Mars as the chaotic, unstable presence of my mother, and also a hint of my father. I have Mars in Cancer, and she's a Cancer sun. The 8th is traditionally ruled by Pluto/Scorpio, and my father is a Scorpio sun. So is my grandmother, who has had an active part in raising me. I've had traumatic experiences with my family. The 4th house cusp is on Aries, so we can see how Mars for me is directly related to an unstable family life. Not only do I have Mars in the more negative 8th house as related to family affairs, but it is at 29 degrees. It also opposes my 2nd house planets, who *I* am... and appropriately enough over the years my Uranus and Neptune influenced personality has clashed with many of my family members represented by the planet Mars in the 8th. Mars in the 4th ALONE causes intense arguments with family members... but I feel Mars in the 8th AND in the 29th degree makes it worse for me. If I was reading another's chart with this placement and its aspects, I would immediately guess verbal and emotional abuse within the family. And it's true I've had that. And not just to me - other family members do it to each other, and cause a general sense of chaos all around. At the same time, Pluto makes a trine to Mars. So I feel this gives me some amount of hope, which says one day I can rise from the ashes of childhood abuse and become a stronger, better person and leave my family behind. Pluto regenerates. It wants to transform. This trine to a planet in a anaretic degree gives me hope that I can triumph past its 'exhaustion' in the last degree of a sign. I know my experience is highly personal. I wonder if anyone else has had a very personal experience of a planet at 0 or 29 degrees. I can imagine having the sun at 27-29 degrees would also be very hard. How do I guess this? I have a progressed sun at 28 degrees right now in Libra... and personal relationships are at a boiling point! :'O ------------------ "Perfect love casts out fear." -Anthony de Mello IP: Logged |
ShyVirgo1979 Knowflake Posts: 1414 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted April 17, 2012 12:41 PM
Hmm interesting thread. So if someone has their mercury @0.57 degrees in virgo is that considered the 0 degree or does it hafta b exact? And they also have jupiter in leo @0.57 degrees as well. How does that work?IP: Logged |
Oracle Knowflake Posts: 38 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted June 29, 2012 01:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by sweet-scorpion: I have my Mars in the 8th at 29 degrees. And sadly I can agree that for me, this anaretic degree DOES resonate with the word 'chaos' as described in the original post. I see my Mars as the chaotic, unstable presence of my mother, and also a hint of my father. I have Mars in Cancer, and she's a Cancer sun. The 8th is traditionally ruled by Pluto/Scorpio, and my father is a Scorpio sun. So is my grandmother, who has had an active part in raising me. I've had traumatic experiences with my family. The 4th house cusp is on Aries, so we can see how Mars for me is directly related to an unstable family life. Not only do I have Mars in the more negative 8th house as related to family affairs, but it is at 29 degrees. It also opposes my 2nd house planets, who *I* am... and appropriately enough over the years my Uranus and Neptune influenced personality has clashed with many of my family members represented by the planet Mars in the 8th. Mars in the 4th ALONE causes intense arguments with family members... but I feel Mars in the 8th AND in the 29th degree makes it worse for me. If I was reading another's chart with this placement and its aspects, I would immediately guess verbal and emotional abuse within the family. And it's true I've had that. And not just to me - other family members do it to each other, and cause a general sense of chaos all around. At the same time, Pluto makes a trine to Mars. So I feel this gives me some amount of hope, which says one day I can rise from the ashes of childhood abuse and become a stronger, better person and leave my family behind. Pluto regenerates. It wants to transform. This trine to a planet in a anaretic degree gives me hope that I can triumph past its 'exhaustion' in the last degree of a sign. I know my experience is highly personal. I wonder if anyone else has had a very personal experience of a planet at 0 or 29 degrees. I can imagine having the sun at 27-29 degrees would also be very hard. How do I guess this? I have a progressed sun at 28 degrees right now in Libra... and personal relationships are at a boiling point! :'O
I've had difficulties, trauma and betrayal in my family. My family has been a tremendous amount of pain and confusion for me. I hope everything will work out for you. You seem strong. Good luck to you. _______________ Oracle Rising Gemini Sun Capricorn Moon Aquarius Venus Scorpio Mars Scorpio Jupiter Scorpio Vertex Scorpio IP: Logged |
Despina Knowflake Posts: 45 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted June 29, 2012 05:18 AM
I'm curious about critical degrees too. A friend of mine has Venus at 29 degrees of Taurus. The only aspect it makes is a tight square to his Saturn in Leo. Any thoughts? I gather he's had a rough time in relationships, but having said that, he doesn't act as 'though they're all that important to him.IP: Logged |
ebou Newflake Posts: 8 From: somewhere in between Registered: Jul 2012
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posted January 07, 2013 03:02 PM
I have a Sun 0 degree conjunct Pluto at 29 degrees Libra . 4th house. This conjunction is square my Ascendant at 0 degree Leo and conjunct my scorpio saturn in the 4th. ascendant and saturn are also square. The implications on my family/past/and home stability have been off the charts! Very difficult finding stability. Even as a child I moved more times than I remember. Tough times with family, a lot of pressure to be the Rock and glue as an adult. My mother relies on me a lot for stability but says I am too overbearing on the homefront ( leo ascendant square sun/pluto??) but I say.." Hey, you want me to keep things in control on your side, then by god I am doing it my way!"... Family and home have always been the focal point of my life ( but for the 3 years I ran away to france! lol) but it has never been smooth and always restricted me... 29th degree, eh? IP: Logged |
ebou Newflake Posts: 8 From: somewhere in between Registered: Jul 2012
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posted January 07, 2013 03:04 PM
I have a Sun 0 degree conjunct Pluto at 29 degrees Libra . 4th house. This conjunction is square my Ascendant at 0 degree Leo and conjunct my scorpio saturn in the 4th. ascendant and saturn are also square. The implications on my family/past/and home stability have been off the charts! Very difficult finding stability. Even as a child I moved more times than I remember. Tough times with family, a lot of pressure to be the Rock and glue as an adult. My mother relies on me a lot for stability but says I am too overbearing on the homefront ( leo ascendant square sun/pluto??) but I say.." Hey, you want me to keep things in control on your side, then by god I am doing it my way!"... Family and home have always been the focal point of my life ( but for the 3 years I ran away to france! lol) but it has never been smooth and always restricted me... 29th degree, eh? IP: Logged |