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Hopeful
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posted January 10, 2002 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
I am an Aries (4-2-64 10:50pm Joliet, IL) dating a Virgo (8-24-63 Noon Chicago, Il). We have dated approx a dozen times in two months. Initially he pursued, but now I am pursuing. We both have bad romantic track records, but his is perhaps worse. Thus, we are both scared. I have tried to take a step back after feeling him pull away, but patience is not an easy thing for me!!! However, I think he is a great guy and I feel there is potential if I can tolerate his slow pace. We are not exclusive. Should I continue to try and see if this relationship will go somewhere or am I being foolish? Any insights will be greatly appreciated!

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Randall
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posted January 10, 2002 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome to the site, Hopeful.

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Morning Storm
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posted January 11, 2002 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Hopeful,

I took a look at your charts, and to be honest, you don't have much of a connection. There are a few aspects that show sexual chemistry, but not much in the way of Love aspects. That doesn't mean a relationship won't work, but they do make things nicer.

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
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Hopeful
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posted January 11, 2002 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
Morning Storm -

Thanks for the Reply. There is definitely chemistry, but we are both cautious and afraid to act on it. He started out pursuing, and now he's distancing. I'm okay with pursuing (and I'm trying to be casual and not panic), but I don't want to expend too much energy if it looks like it will go nowhere. We both have very similar backgrounds and the same attitude about relationships. It is nice to meet someone who is emotionally mature. Unfortunately, I fear he is emotionally unavailable as well. Is there an approach that would bring down his defenses to give this relationship a chance? Thanks for all of your help.

Randall -

Thanks for the welcome! I've always been interested in astrology, but only recently have delved in beyond the sun sign.

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Morning Storm
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posted January 16, 2002 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
Hopeful,

I looked at his chart with the transits and Uranus will be opposing his Venus off and on all of this year and all of next year, too. That means expected the unexpected with his Love life. He may need distance one day and get married the next. I really need his time of birth to give you accurate suggestions on how to handle him. He's analytical, intense, and likes beauty and adoration. Soft music, soft lights, and pampering will help relax him, which will help him open up more. He should also like a sharp mind and a deep thinker. I don't know if those suggestions will help you much, but good luck with it!

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
--Rumi

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Hopeful
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posted January 16, 2002 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
Morning Storm -

That is helpful information. Right now, I'm trying to give him space as he seems to be struggling with whether to take our relationship to the next level. I'm torn between wanting to connect with him (it's sooo hard for me to be patient and not call!) and wanting him to reach out to me. He was born at Noon on 8/24/63. Any indication whether it is better for me to reach out to him when he is in a distancing mood or whether it is better to give him the space? I really appreciate your help.

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Morning Storm
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posted February 08, 2002 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
Hopeful,

I'm just coming back (slowly) after having surgery on my wrist, so haven't been around to answer your question. Do you still need help with this?

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
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Hopeful
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posted February 14, 2002 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Morning Storm -

Sorry to hear about the wrist surgery. I know that can be painful and hope you are feeling better.

I would still appreciate any insight on the Virgo Man. He is still in retreat mode, and I don't know whether to contact him or not.

I would also like you to look at another one briefly. I don't have his time of birth, but his DOB is 12/14/63 in Baltimore, MD.

Thanks so much,
Hopeful

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posted February 19, 2002 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
IF his birth time is noon, right on, he lives in retreat mode. He hides his true emotions and feelings and you have to be psychic and have strong, strong Neptune bonds with him to connect--which you don't. That'll always place a huge strain on the relationship, and since there aren't many aspects between you to begin with, I'm not sure how you'd get past it. Lots of work, if you're willing to give it.

Well, I don't normally look at two charts for people. Especially when I'm this backed up and only have one hand to use, but in this case, I was probably more 'hopeful' than you given the other guy isn't the greatest match for you.

Well, at least you can communicate! Sometimes, the words will fly, but hey, at least you're talking! You can also communicate w/o saying a word. If you spent much time together, you'd develop strong feelings for each other. Be careful, because sometimes you'll stifle his emotions. And with his Moon in Sag temper combined with his Cappy coldness, he may make some cold remarks that hurt your feelings when it happens. There are some sweet aspects to help you through those times, though.


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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
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Hopeful
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posted February 20, 2002 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
Morning Storm -

Thanks so much! I hear what you are saying loud and clear on the Virgo guy. I don't mind putting in some effort - but not all the effort.

As for the Sag, I'm feeling "hopeful?!" We are both dating others and have busy schedules, and I'm trying to be patient (please don't laugh! I KNOW Aries aren't patient, but I'm trying . . .). I think there is a connection - I"m just not sure how strong it is. So, I find your words helpful.

Have a wonderful day and I hope you are healed completely very, very soon.

Hopeful

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posted February 21, 2002 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
Your connection with him is very good.

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
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Morning Storm
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posted February 21, 2002 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
BTW, I forgot to mention the other night, I checked your progressions with the Virgo and his progressions, because I just couldn't find your draw to him at all. I found your attraction with the progressions! Unfortunately, those are just temporary and will pass with time, then you won't know what happened to your relationship when they do....

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
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Hopeful
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posted March 02, 2002 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
Morning Storm -

I just returned from vacation. Thanks for the additional info! I do think I have reached a stage where I am finally comfortable with who I am. I'll try to get the Sag's birth time out of him. This is sounding interesting!

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posted March 04, 2002 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
Morning Storm -

I meant to ask you, is there something I can read about karma and the life lesson I am supposed to learn with regard to relationships? I'm getting the feeling the Sag is retreating. Perhaps I am just meant to be single. He is very busy right now, and that may be all it is, but knowing my track record I'm not sure! I've tried to give him lots of space, but I'm not sure I'm using the right approach with him. I need to read more of Linda.

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posted March 04, 2002 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Hopeful,

Your lessons are mostly your need to understand yOu. You may feel conflicted about what you really want and how to relate emotionally to others, and need to k-NOW yoursELF before you have a successful relationship. Sure, that's with all of us, but even moreso with you. If not, you'll continue to have difficulties with emotional bonds and expressing who yOu are to others. There are some challenges in your natal chart for marriage, but there are also sweet aspects helping you with relationships.

As for the Sag, there are aspects in his chart that show he may be emotionally unstable, or run away from emotional ties. It's being set off by Saturn right now and will continue to be challenging him until June, before it finally lets up. I need his time of birth to be able to tell you more about that, though.

Good luck!

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We see things not as they are, but as we are: Love brings understanding. ~Anais Nin

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Hopeful
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posted March 08, 2002 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
Morning Storm -

I meant to tell you that I think your astrological analysis is amazingly accurate. In mid-January, I went to this woman, who I've seen a few times over the past few years, who does a mix of tarot/astrology/psychic and she told me the Virgo guy was going to keep coming back as she saw a deer nibbling at a feeder. She also said it would be a relationship that would require considerable work, but she was wrong about him coming back. First he retreated, and then he vanished - and I had no idea what happened. Just like you said! I didn't ask her about the Sag as, although I met him late-Nov, I didn't think he was interested. It was after the Virgo retreated that I contacted the Sag.

When I first met the Sag, I "felt" like he was going to be someone special in my life. I've learned a lot of helpful info here and in LExi, and I'm going to keep hoping that a relationship comes together with him. I always have a hard time backing off when the guy starts distancing. I usually try for a bit and then shift my focus to someone new. However, this time, I'm going to practice some mantras and positive thinking and distancing. Perhaps this is what I needed to learn about myself - that I shouldn't take it so personally when they pull back. He may very well just be busy!When I get to see him again, I'll try and get his birth time. Until then, I'll remain . . .

Hopeful

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posted March 09, 2002 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
WOW! Thank you!

About the man, remember the transits aren't being easy on him right now.... so your attitude will help him a lot.

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To fall in Love, is to rise. . . .
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Hopeful
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posted March 27, 2002 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
Morning Storm -

I finally have the Sag's birth time. Here's the info again so you won't have to scroll:

me: 4/2/64 10:50 pm Joliet, IL
him: 12/14/63 2am Baltimore, MD

My positive thinking is helping, but I still don't feel like there is a strong connection on his part yet. When you get a chance, please tell me what you can about him and about us together. Thanks!

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posted April 08, 2002 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
The strong connection exists, but may be at a deeper level he's not in touch with, yet. I'll look at it when I can. Back to one handed typing.

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To fall in Love, is to rise. . . .
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posted April 24, 2002 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Hopeful, I looked up his chart with his rising. That poor guy! Saturn has been whomping on him, and in March and April, he was taking hits left and right and didn't know where they were coming from! Too bad he doesn't understand astrology, or it could have been helped to alleviate some of it, just by knowing it was there. He had a major internal tension, though. I hope he was able to get plenty of exercise to reLEASE it. The energy from that transit is still being felt a bit, but it's starting to ease up. Oh, don't get me wrong, he's still being hit, but it's Pluto, and no longer Uranus that's being squared by Saturn. That will bring small battles for him to overcome. To win the war, he has to figure out something about himS-ELF. Saturn is transiting his 8th house, which rules sexuality. Saturn is restrictive, so don't take it personally if he hasn't been responding to the sexual chemistry between you. The good news there is that relationships that start when Saturn is there, are usually long-term. It'll leave his 8th and move into his 9th in May.

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We are each of us angels with only one wing, and we can only fly embracing each other.
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Hopeful
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posted April 24, 2002 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Auriel -

How's your arm? I've been trying to be patient as your health is very important, but I definitely appreciate your input!

I actually saw the Sag last night - first time face to face in almost a month. We talked about getting together next week, which I thought was a good sign.

We are both dating others, but the reality is if he were willing to see where this would go, I would be ready to find out. However, he's clearly not there yet. I have been doing my best to be patient - let him have his space - and try to keep things light and fun when we do communicate or get together. So, I'm hoping all of these baby steps will add up to something. I also think you are so right that if we spent time together the connection would deepen, as I certainly feel that happen every time I see him.

I'm glad the planets have eased up on him a bit and hope that helps us to progress. Linda points out that Sag's do need a lot of space, but I'm not sure how long I can continue this way as I am feeling pretty strongly towards him. I'm only dating others as a distraction - and I never let those go past a 2nd or 3rd date. I don't have a good sense of how he feels about me, but since he is responding and he we have fun when we get together I am trying to stay positive and not overthink things (like I usually do).

Do you think I'm doing the right thing by trying to be light and giving him space, or at some point will I need to be more firm? He says he wants marriage and family now, but yet he continues to play the field. So, I know he's not sure about me . . . yet!

Thanks again for all of your insight. Wishing you a full and speedy recovery -

Hopeful

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