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Gooberzlostlovefound
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posted January 24, 2002 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
My older brother is a born 7/26/82 in chicago at 11:51 am.....I'm a born 12/22/86 in chicago at 10:04 am. We can't stand each other! I would appreciate any kind of advice!

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Australdi
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posted January 28, 2002 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Australdi     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Goollf (sorry but I have a habit of abbreiviating)
....now I'm not an astrologist, nor am I particularily wise.....however I too, have a leo brother...(younger) & yes, I hear you when you say that sometimes they can be a bit much
now I'm well aware that Leo's like to be the centre of everything, and like to think they have control over everything....and I believe that cappies are sometimes known for taking everything a teeny bit too seriously.....& I'm guessing that the two combined don't make the nicest of mixes at times....
(now before i get my head ROARed off, & my but BUTTed....I know, this is only a stereotype!!!.....but....)
As a ram....(like a capricorn)...I have been known to put my head down & butt (or "bite") with my horns on occassion....and no-one loves a drama more than a Leo....so....well, you know how it goes (I feel sorry for everyone else actually....my parents have to put up with two fire signs "at it")
....but you have the gift of an earth sign...hehehehe....you can put out our metaphorical fires just like that! laughter...patience....ridicule (that would really hurt him though)....I don't know, whatever works best for you....maybe just ignoring him.....(might make him think, cause no-one ignores a leo!!! ....)
personally, I use laughter now, and I wherever possible, remove myself from the situation before I bite.
hope this helps some

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Grasshopper
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posted January 28, 2002 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Grasshopper     Edit/Delete Message
Dear GooberLLF ...

Abbreviating your name seems to be a good idea.

All relationships have so many intricacies, it's hard to make a fix that will actually work in the long haul. All I know is that this is something that obviously stings at you (you've posted it more than once).

I don't have a fix for you. But I do offer a path for you to examine. And it goes a little bit into how I do things. It may not work for you.

Every time we enter a new sun sign, I examine the positive characteristics of a sign and try to emulate them into my life. Not only do I feel I become personally better, but I've come to the point where I begin to see only the "positive" influences of each sign. I encourage you to try this.

Take a look at your capricorn sign. Endurance. Wisdom. A nack for staying on top. That's a very impressive package you have there in your sun sign alone.

The Leo (pauses dramatically to get his own Leonine ego under control). Nobility. Generousity and a loving nature. Not a bad package, either.

So, blending the elements together using a little vision and alchemiacal luck ... you have a noble, enduring, wise, loving and generous relationship. Phew ... that's a terrific package.

There are a lot of techniques you could employ to get there; some of which are more universally successful than others. But I offer this path as something that just may help.

Good luck, Goober!!

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jwhop
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posted January 28, 2002 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
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It ain't necessarily so,
It ain't necessarily so,
The things that you're liable
to read from down under,
it ain't necessarily so.

Love
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Australdi
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posted January 29, 2002 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Australdi     Edit/Delete Message
Goollf oh I hope I haven't gone & put my saggy rising foot in my mouth again!!....I suppose I simply trying to say I do know what it feels like to share space with a leo
and yes, they often (and probably unwittingly) push those buttons on us that hurt the most.
Grasshopper, your advice was sage
I will try that too.
Aus

J ~ ok you got me!!!

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Randall
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posted January 29, 2002 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome, Jwhop!

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Spiritua
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posted January 29, 2002 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spiritua     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome to Lindaland, Jwhop!!

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jwhop
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posted January 29, 2002 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message


Thanks for the welcome Randall and Spiritua
I've been reading the interesting comments on the forums for some time!

Love,
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Gooberzlostlovefound
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posted January 30, 2002 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
I really appreciate all the advice...thankyou so much.

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Total Pieces
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posted January 30, 2002 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Total Pieces     Edit/Delete Message
When Morning Storm gets back she may be able to see something. But like she told me onece "Charts can bind you-set your self free" This does not sound like a 'star' problem. Your brother sounds like he needs help. I'm not sure how old you are but if you must live with him I would walk on egg shells until I could get as far away as possible. What do you parents say? His level of sadism sounds like he needs to see a psychtirst (medication may be in order). Was he like this when he was younger. It could be a chemmical imbalnce. I'm not a doctor so I don't want to speculate too much but the main thing is stay out of his way. If he was just a jerk I would say talk to him. Sweetie, I am as Libra as they come but from what I read the my internal scales of fairness and seeing both sides tells me that you are in the presences of a monster and you must treat him that way. On your toes. I know it sounds like I'm saying you live in a war zone with one vicous enemy but it sounds like you do.

My prayers so go out to you. If your young and you haven't started plans for college yet do what you can to go at the far end of your state if not completely out.

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posted January 30, 2002 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Total Pieces     Edit/Delete Message
When Morning Storm gets back she may be able to see something. But like she told me onece "Charts can bind you-set your self free" This does not sound like a 'star' problem. Your brother sounds like he needs help. I'm not sure how old you are but if you must live with him I would walk on egg shells until I could get as far away as possible. What do you parents say? His level of sadism sounds like he needs to see a psychtirst (medication may be in order). Was he like this when he was younger. It could be a chemmical imbalnce. I'm not a doctor so I don't want to speculate too much but the main thing is stay out of his way. If he was just a jerk I would say talk to him. Sweetie, I am as Libra as they come but from what I read the my internal scales of fairness and seeing both sides tells me that you are in the presences of a monster and you must treat him that way. On your toes. I know it sounds like I'm saying you live in a war zone with one vicous enemy but it sounds like you do.

My prayers so go out to you. If your young and you haven't started plans for college yet do what you can to go at the far end of your state if not completely out.

Amber

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posted January 30, 2002 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Total Pieces     Edit/Delete Message
When Morning Storm gets back she may be able to see something. But like she told me onece "Charts can bind you-set your self free" This does not sound like a 'star' problem. Your brother sounds like he needs help. I'm not sure how old you are but if you must live with him I would walk on egg shells until I could get as far away as possible. What do you parents say? His level of sadism sounds like he needs to see a psychtirst (medication may be in order). Was he like this when he was younger. It could be a chemmical imbalnce. I'm not a doctor so I don't want to speculate too much but the main thing is stay out of his way. If he was just a jerk I would say talk to him. Sweetie, I am as Libra as they come but from what I read the my internal scales of fairness and seeing both sides tells me that you are in the presences of a monster and you must treat him that way. On your toes. I know it sounds like I'm saying you live in a war zone with one vicous enemy but it sounds like you do.

My prayers so go out to you. If your young and you haven't started plans for college yet do what you can to go at the far end of your state if not completely out.

Amber

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jwhop
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posted January 30, 2002 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Gooberzlostlovefound

Consider this as totally nonjudgmental.

I pulled up your brothers natal chart, yours too.

I cannot reconcile your brothers chart with the cruel, brutal monster you say he is.

He's a Leo, Libra Moon, Leo Merc, Cancer Venus, Libra Mars, Libra Pluto and a Libra Rising.

I would think him idealistic and soft hearted, good looking, fluent with lots of friends. He likes women and they like him.
He would tend to suppress his anger, (Libra Mars) and sports are a good release for him.
I think most people would say he's easy to talk to.

I would say he's also a very conventional guy and might react unpleasantly to your friends/boyfriend if he thinks them weird or outside societies norms.

When he argues, it's probably more like a discussion but an open display of sullen, simmering, hostile temper directed at him or derogatory personal remarks would tend to set off and offend both his Leo and Libra. His Libra would want to withdraw but that Leo would want to stick around and fight it out to the bitter end.

Whatever the truth of the matter, he sees himself as a "nice guy" and I think his friends would agree.

You already know your own chart so no need to set it out here. You're reserved, sharp intellectually, tolerant, sensual and have that Pisces Mars that can show the sullen, simmering, hostile temper I talked about.
You're an Aquarius Rising and may not always be especially conventional in your thinking or demeanor.

Nevertheless, I would think your brother would act like a "big brother" and defend you against all comers, including people and situations he felt might cause you harm.

I don't see the classic abuse markers, (Mars/Pluto square or opposition) between you and your brother. Your Risings are trine and there's also a Venus/Pluto trine.

There is one thing you should be aware of and that's a Sun/Pluto square, his Sun, your Pluto. Lots of possible friction here and especially in a family atmosphere where you're constantly in close proximity. Any attempt to control or direct the other may set off the fireworks.

Please note that I am not an astrologer and these are my personal observations from looking at your charts. Happily, Auriel will be back soon and render an 'informed' opinion of the problem.

Love,
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Gooberzlostlovefound
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posted January 30, 2002 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
Total Pieces~ I think he has a chemical imbalance, too. He has one hell of a severe case of ADD. My parents try to deal with him, but he's come a long way believe it or not. You're right on when you say I have to walk on egg shells. That's exactly what I do. Thankyou for your support; it will not be forgotten.

JWHOP~ The last thing my brother could be described as is soft-hearted or idealistic. The only way he argues is with losts of yelling; he has a really bad temper. He *is* very conventional, though. Gooberzlostlovefound


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Australdi
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posted January 31, 2002 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Australdi     Edit/Delete Message
Goollf, it sounds dreadfull! Is there anyway you can avoid him most of the time?
.....thw yelling bit when throwing a tantrum etc is typically Leo (oh boy can they roar! ..but usually they wouldn't act further on it unless severely pushed) ....makes me wonder if there isn't some outside factor involved....you mentioned he's a proffessional athlete....could steroid use be a factor? It can cause some ballistic mood changes and violent outbreaks. whatever, what he does to himself is his life & for your own peace of mind, I would try to stop worrying about him & what his behaviour signifies....let your mum/dad/professionals worry about that....but when his behaviour directly impacts on you ie: he abuses you or your friends, then I would speak up to your parents or to someone in a position to take him to task. I would also stand up to him & quietly & calmly state that he does not have that power over you.
that's the truth, he doesn't have that power - unless you give it to him

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Morning Storm
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posted February 04, 2002 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
I'm just coming back from vacation and wrist surgery, but I'll look at your charts as soon as I can.

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
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Gooberzlostlovefound
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posted February 04, 2002 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
THANKYOU THANKYOU THANKYOU!

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Gooberzlostlovefound
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posted February 04, 2002 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
Australdi~

Thank you so much for your reply. He *says* he doesn't take any stereroids....btu I know he takes creatine and other "muscle building" drugs. Their effects could be bad on him. I mostly try to stay out of his way; yet still not let him push me around. You are so right about Leo's yelling!!! He really roars if he doesn't get his way....he demands to be treated like royalty! (Leo, King of the Jungle!) Now that Auriel is back I can finally get the charts I so desperately need! Thanks for all your help, you are an

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Morning Storm
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posted February 19, 2002 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
Would you like me to send you a computer generated report until I have a chance to do this? I have looked at it several times and the message to it will be long. I just can't type it out right now. Sorry, I need to heal more, first.

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
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Gooberzlostlovefound
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posted February 20, 2002 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
take your time! don't worry about it, really!

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posted February 20, 2002 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for QT     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Goobllf, I'm not sure if this advice will help, but maybe you could try it out! I'm a leo ( and i actually get along with cappies quite well) but I know i have one true weakness. And that's giving me a compliment. So one day, say to your brother, "Hey, your hair (or anything) looks REALLY good today" your big ego brother will turn into mush. He'll actually, have to stop and say "thank you" and "really?"

AUS, I also feel sorry for my parents, my older brother is an aries, and our fights used to be out of control!!

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posted February 21, 2002 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome to the site, QT!

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Morning Storm
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posted March 01, 2002 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for being so patient.

The first thing I noticed in your charts together is the your brother's huge stellium, that includes his ASC, Saturn, Moon, Pluto, Mars and Jupiter, in your 8th house. Those are deep emotional issues, and are also very, very intense. They're all conjuncting your South Node, too, so those are deep issues from your past life together that you two need to work out. If you don't learn to get along and get past it, it's going to get worse.

His Sun and Mercury square your Pluto in your 6th house of every day life. These are both very powerful aspects, but usually aren't much fun. In fact, they indicate that you will have an hostile relationship and violence might even erupt, when the transits set it off. You need to use some of your sweet aspects to temper this. His Venus trines your Pluto, which will help, if you allow it.

You have several aspects for deception and mind games with each other. Be nice to him and expect the same. The next time you want to be mean and toy with him, remember these aspects. You may be younger than him, but that's okay, show him how to act, anyway. I tell my kids the same thing, and I already know your response. I know, it's not easy, but it's worth it. Even if you feel like you didn't accomplish anything, that doesn't mean you didn't. The universe knows what you're doing. Plus, it'll help you become more in touch with your Higher S-ELF.

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posted March 01, 2002 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
You two have the ability to communicate, even if you don't agree on something. The way you converse is very similar--heated(! ), and you should use that to your advantage, instead of yelling at each other.

The way you give and receive love is very similar, too. You can also use that to your advantage.

One of the big things between you, is you both have very intense charts, making you both intense people. When that intensity heats with the Fire you each have, and then clashes, the war is on. Learn to use the sweet aspects between you to get along. When the transits hit those sweet aspects, take advantage of them and invite your brother to do something fun. Don't just expect it to happen. There's a lot of harsh stuff there between you. K-NOW it's going to be some work, and take the first step to build the bridge.

If you have any questions about your individual charts, or your charts together, just ask. Your brother was wide open with me and was very comfortable with me looking at his chart. He may tease you about it, if he finds out, so don't take personally if he does. He's very intense emotionally, and rather secretive about some things, although enjoys attention about a lot of other things. I'm not sure why he was so open with me, given some of the secrets in his chart, but he was. Maybe it's his way of letting you know he wants the situation to change. I'm not sure, but he IS open. He's allowing me to talk to you, so if you have a question, just ask!

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posted March 01, 2002 12:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
You know what I just realized? If I would have answered this question earlier, all the personal planets transiting Aquarius were opposing his Sun and Mercury. I didn't answer the question until they let up, but I didn't K-NOW that until now! I bet he wouldn't have been so open with me if I would've looked at his chart earlier!! The universe is so awesome when we listen.

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