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Australdi
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posted February 03, 2002 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Australdi     Edit/Delete Message
Auriel,
I (being a typical aries)hates to ask anyone for favours (or help) but I really need an impartial point of view on this, now I don't want to put you to any trouble, & realise that your wrist still needs alot of rest, so there is no hurry....just when you get around to it okay?
I'm just not sure if what I am seeing in the charts is truth or illusion ie how well have I learnt?
I also think that chiron in these charts is important, ....very important....but I know nothing regarding chiron....

26 march 1968 melbourne Aust 2225hrs
29 sept 1975 auckland NZ 0250hrs

thanks heaps for this Auriel, I really needed an opinion from someone I could implicitly trust at the moment.

Di

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Morning Storm
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posted February 04, 2002 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Aus,

I'm not running any charts tonight, but well get to it asap.

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
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Morning Storm
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posted February 19, 2002 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Aus,

I took a look at your charts, and to be honest, there is quite a bit of illusion there--A LOT, actually. The deception and illusion is on both sides, too. There are some sweet aspects between you, but you have to learn to trust each other and not play mind games, if you want it to work.

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
--Rumi

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Australdi
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posted February 21, 2002 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Australdi     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks so much Auriel,
...I suspect it won't work long term....however I am somehow held..transfixed...as though there is some karmic debt thing happening, and I can't leave until the hand has been fully played..I'm in denial..pretending not to be emotionally envolved, but I probably am....pretending that my suspicions may not be accurate, but they are probably on the money....
...but something deeper is binding me...he has many saturn aspects to me, however I have none to him...I thought that meant that he had karma to make up, however I'm begining to suspect that I was mighty unfair on him in a past incarnation & boy am I paying for it now!...but on the other hand, I am learning so much from this experience & it's providing me with excellent practice sessions for my new beliefs....only by putting beliefs into practice can I ensure that they really work...
how long can I play with fire & not get burnt ? or is it too late already??

Aus

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The price of self-destiny is never cheap, and in certain situations it is unthinkable. But to achieve the marvelous, it is precisely the unthinkable that must be thought.
~Tom Robbins...jitterbug perfume

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Morning Storm
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posted February 21, 2002 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Aus,

Actually his Moon squares your Saturn, meaning you'll stifle his feelings and emotions sometimes. I don't agree with that old Saturn philosophy anyway. Plus, by that school of thought, you'd owe him because it's his Saturn with most of the aspects, and the one who would be in control....and who the heck wants to agree with that thought?! YUK! NOT ME!! Saturn aspects don't just mean one owes the other one. Both people hurt when there is pain, therefore, both people have to heal and deal with the issue TWO-GETHER. Saturn shows you have known each other in other lives, and shows if you have issues to work out and how nice you may have been to each other. You do have issues to work out according to Saturn, but relationships take two and mean the people have to RELATE to each other. If only one person had issues to work on, and the other person was in charge, then how would the issues get resolved??!! The Saturn person would blow the other person off, because they were hurt before and wouldn't want to be hurt again. The Saturn person will be the harsher of the two at times, no doubt about that, BUT that is for a reason that the two of you CHOSE before coming to Earth. That doesn't mean the other person HAS to let them be in charge, it merely means the two have t(W)o grow and learn TWO-gether when the Saturn person is cold and the other person recoils, runs, cries, spits, rages, and all the other emotions and reactions get provoked. If you react, and don't stop and patiently work on the issue together, you'll have to face it again, but next time it'll be much tougher.

One of the problems between you two that needs to be worked on--BY BOTH OF YOU--is your intuition and doubts with each other. You HAVE to learn to trust each other. You have strong aspects working against you for that. There's no chance for a long-term relationship if trust isn't learned. Your doubts about the relationship is exactly what I'm talking about.

Take care, Aus.

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
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Australdi
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posted February 21, 2002 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Australdi     Edit/Delete Message
Auriel
Thanks, I know/understand what you're saying...and you're absolutely correct...emotionally, this has the potential to be a volatile & dangerous relationaship, and also the potential to be passionate & soulmate...but the line between the two is very thin & tricky...but that is also what is attractive to me...big risks, but big payoff...Not that I'm saying I am playing games...I am tired of games, and am searching for what is real, but typical aries that I am, I could not be content without a challenge & this time I suspect I've chosen to take on a dooozy! both of us seem to like playing with fire & our mutual water moons are throwing in some heavy indulgent distractions just to up the ante!
Is something going on with our chirons though? I felt that there was & that it was important, that it could give me some direction...
I am trying to be very careful (well as carefull as a ram/saggie could possibly be) (oh dear!!) hehehe

Aus

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The price of self-destiny is never cheap, and in certain situations it is unthinkable. But to achieve the marvelous, it is precisely the unthinkable that must be thought.
~Tom Robbins...jitterbug perfume

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Morning Storm
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posted February 22, 2002 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message
Well, of course. A lot, in fact. His Chiron conjuncts your Mars, which is actually a marriage indicator, but it also pulls you together. His Chiron also in a Yod with your Neptune and Uranus--they're all at 26*, so it's very powerful. His Chiron also quincunxes your Pluto. Your Chiron quincunxes his Venus--which is so sweet. Your Chiron also trines his rising, which will help you through your doubts, if you don't allow it to make you lazy and take each other for granted. Your Chiron also quincunxes his Mercury and squares his Mars. The Mars square is another marriage indicator, even though it's a harsh, but could also be sex and marital upsets or delays or cancellation of an engagement. Given all that's here with Chiron, you have a lot to do tWo-gether and to learn from each other. Unfortunately, I don't feel comfortable talking about Chiron anymore. You'll have to settle for knowing it's very strong, and wait for my book. The Magi Astrology has information about Chiron that is okay, that you might want to read, but my views are um, a bit different.

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Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.
--Rumi

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Australdi
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posted February 25, 2002 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Australdi     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks so much Auriel
I understand your not wanting to say too much on chiron until the book is published.
however, my curiosity is barely contained now so hurry up & finish the book!!! (Impatient ram that I am!) My gut feelings told me that chiron was important in these charts & it also tells me that your book & interpretaion is worth waiting for as it speaks truth. (just don't expect me to be patient!!!! )
can't wait to find out what the yod means...and also that exact aspect....know it's important!
hehehe, just knew there was something going on in these charts that was beyond my control per say....something much more profound than the analytical mind can rationalise....oh the 'unseen' bonds that bind us!!!

Aus

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The price of self-destiny is never cheap, and in certain situations it is unthinkable. But to achieve the marvelous, it is precisely the unthinkable that must be thought.
~Tom Robbins...jitterbug perfume

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Morning Storm
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posted February 26, 2002 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Morning Storm     Edit/Delete Message

Thanks, Aus.

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We see things not as they are, but as we are: Love brings understanding. ~Anais Nin

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