posted June 20, 2002 02:26 AM         

This is my first post but am happy to have found so many friends of Linda. I would love to read some of your thoughts on my (April 26, 1964: Royal Oak, MI: 5:30 am) and his (Feb 25, 1953, Hood River, OR ,time?)potential realtionship paths and if we might walk the same one some day. I met this fish 3+ years ago when he started doing some routine work for me. I knew right when we met from those green eyes that I would have to concentrate hard on keeping it a work relationship. We became occasional friends. Well, 3 1/2 years later and 2 divorces later (one me, one him, nothing to do with each other) the attraction was still there and we got together once in a while and just talked. He seemed so lost sometimes but has a steady life as well as a good handle on tangible things. And yes, this fish makes money as a supervisor and also has his own successful side business. And has lots of dreams. I still had it planted in my mind to just be a friend as he was seeing another. Our attraction grew and eventually, he asked if he could kiss me. I couldn't say no. We fell into that kiss like I never have before. All that karmic pull finally had a path. We have so many interests in common and can talk for hours. Allowing him to find himself and make his own life was not what this other gal wanted (Virgo) and now she is due have a baby. Something about a mistake in her pill prescription. (?) Well, suprise, he wants to help her and I cannot fault him for that, in fact I support him. Although he's not 100% sure it's his. We maintain our extended friendship and he is very honest with me about everything. There were a couple times of dishonesty, for fear of scaring me away, but he got through that. I would still like to have children, and to be a mom, not necessarily a wife. Takes too long to get to know someone and I'm almost out of time. He wants to be the father to my 2 kids. I tried to step back from that when he told me of their predicament, but he didn't want to give that opportunity up. After writing this book, I think I need a shrink. Love is a strange and wonderfully enticing thing. Just tangled sometimes. But life's too short to pass some opportunities up. Although he's not even in a position to love fully right now. So, words of wisdom, advice, and encouragement would be welcome on how best to move forward.

posted June 21, 2002 01:24 PM         

I'll take a look later this evening.
Sue

posted June 21, 2002 07:16 PM         

I think I can get his birth time. I'll check into it.

posted June 22, 2002 02:31 AM         

Ok I'll wait for you to get back to me re his birth time.

Sue

posted June 27, 2002 03:07 AM         

OK great...I'll take a look later today for you.

posted June 27, 2002 09:24 AM         

Hi JE

OK just now looking at your chart.....
First thing I noticed was your transits.....

You currently have Pluto transiting your 8th house......Wow! The planet of sex in the house of sex!

He currently has Saturn transiting his 8th house..... Sex may simply become more important to him. If he previously did a lot of one night stands, they may seem empty now. He's more likely to want something deeper. However, if there are any sexual dysfunctions, they will tend to flare up during this Saturn transit, and he will be forced to deal with them.

Hmm interesting if we take into account the Mars conjunct Venus aspect you have with each other.

posted June 27, 2002 10:10 AM         

Ok here are some of the aspects you have together....

Sue

Sun sextile Sun
This is an excellent aspect for a relationship, you go remarkably well together. You're made to understand each other, to complement each other and to support each other.

Sun sextile Mercury
There's a good understanding between you and intellectual interests in common, the same type of curiosity. You appreciate each other.

Venus conjunct Mars
This is a relationship that is particularly based on physical understanding, passionate love.

Moon square Mercury
You'll have problems understanding each other on an everyday basis, your interests and preoccupations will be different, sometimes conflicting. Rows may be the result.

Sun conjunct Saturn
This aspect shows that as a couple you are stable. Friendship slowly replacing love. Saturn (you) will dominate the Sun (him) - but he might find this difficult to accept. In any case, as the Sun (him) likes to feel secure, Saturn (you)is a perfect partner.

Venus sextile Venus
Very good aspect for a successful relationship. Love, happiness, understanding, everything for getting on well together.

Sun opposed Uranus
This aspect speaks against any long-term understanding. At the beginning, you'll appreciate each other a lot, and will have pleasure in being together but, quite quickly, this life could become unbearable with disputes.
This aspect can also create an "on-again, off-again" relationship. Sudden break-ups followed by unexpected reconcilliations.

Mars trine Pluto
Great physical passion.

Venus sextile Pluto
Great passionate affair that may not last but will be very pleasant to experience, whatever the future.

Jupiter opposed Neptune
(You have this aspect both ways)
You must be careful that you don't lead/encourage each other into bad habits.
Friction could occur if you hurt each feelings with "painful arrows of truth"

Mars opposed Neptune
You're each capable of destroying the other using lies, aggression, violence. Each trying to destroy the other with the weapons at their disposal, strength against lying.
Watch this aspect!

Venus trine Neptune
You have artistic tastes in common, and your life will sometimes be full of fantasy.

Jupiter trine Pluto
If you take full advantage of this aspect....it's powerfully beneficial.
But you'll need co-operation and compromise which may be difficult to achieve.

JE, as with any passionate relationship there can be storms - the passion needs to be used in a positive way.
Only you know in your heart what's the right thing to do regarding his current situation with this other woman. What I would say to you though is there are "no winners" in a triangle. Everyone will get hurt. If I get time later I'll take a look at his natal chart (to see how he "deals" with things).
But as you say in your post, he's not even in a position to love fully right now.
You're worth nothing less than the best and by that I mean someone who is fully available to love you. And as you also say "Life is too short"........so don't settle for 2nd best.
Listen to your heart and not just your biological clock (cos I can really sense that that's ticking strongly in your mind )
Sue

posted June 27, 2002 12:14 PM         

JES (When I signed on, I miskeyed my username....)

posted June 27, 2002 01:56 PM         

Yes it's very hard to listen to your head, heart, body and soul all at the same time...especially if they're each giving you a different answer

You said....
"Maybe we will be lucky here having had additional communication training from our jobs. (That's a whole other interesting topic on how so called complicated communication styles simply relate right back to astrology)"

Yes that's really a very interesting topic. Most problems do stem from a lack of communication. That's why I originally started to look into astrology. I find that it really does help to understand other people - which can only be good for everyone. And it also gives you a better understanding of yourself
Hope you don't mind me asking...but what line of work are you in? Just curious with you mentioning the communication training.

I've got a few things I need to do this evening but I will look at his natal chart for you. It may be tomorrow.
Love
Sue

posted June 27, 2002 09:39 PM         

and Randall, you walked off of a GQ page didn't you?!

I don't mind answering our occupations.

I am in sales management - I am a business management/consultant to resellers for a worldwide wholesale distributor of a top commodity - business supplies. (we have over 45,000 things to choose from...)

My fish friend manages a shift at a manufacturing plant for a world wide company. Plus, owns his own business on the side as an equine manicurist...(farrier)

We have both been through various types of training to assist our "management" Mine lead more towards business, sales training, and marekting. His more towards people and production.
I wish there was more of this type of training at the school levels. It's a most basic skill that many, many people lack. (I'm no expert)

posted June 29, 2002 06:43 PM         

Ok I promised to take a look at his chart for you (it's only a brief look as it's very time consuming to do a full chart interpretation and it's almost midnight here).....

Sue

He is compassionate and sentimental. Can have a tendency to be lead astray. He can also sometime be lethargic, over-sensitive and emotional.
He has a great sense of and respect for justice. Has a fertile imagination. Can sometimes be melancholy.
He can also have bursts of friendship or embracing of causes that can't be justified or which turn out not to be what they promised at the start.
He can become drunk with love or passion.
Can be aggressive, offensive, impulsive, provoking. He is bold and adventurous.
He likes the good things in Life and knows how to profit from them.

He's very influenced by the family, especially his mother.
Is highly imaginative. He could be professionally successful abroad, or in import-export or as a diplomat. Contact with foreigners. Long journeys. Has a good ability to learn foreign languages.

He likes intellectual games, sports that require skill and finesse.

Does he work in a medical or social setting? And did you meet him via work?

He has Jupiter in his 7th house.
Which means he should have a good marriage, with a useful partner who helps to bring success if only by her advice.

He is very interested in humanity and is highly intellectual. Does he travel a lot?

His ascendent is in Scorpio....
Emotional life certainly very changeable. Lovers will come and go, and then come back again. Sexuality is very important for him, for his stability.

Does he deal with foreign countries in his work?

His 5th house is in Pisces.....
He is full of tenderness, sentimentality. Things do not always go his way. A meeting with a person who is either not free, too young or from a different family or social background means that living together will be done in the utmost secrecy while waiting for the chance to legalize the situation quietly, without any trouble. This state of affairs will make him melancholy. A little family could result from this union.

Saturn conjunct Neptune
His plans are realized in a methodical fashion, he works hard to achieve success.

Venus conjunct Mars
He is amorous, not a peaceful and calm lover but a passionate one with a strong temperament. He is demonstrative in love, and likes healthy pleasures. He enjoys life to the full.

Moon trine Mars
He is frank, honest, full of vigor and ambition. He is strong-willed and powerful at work. He is a little hard on himself but, above all, on others whose capacity for action is not as great.

Jupiter sextile Uranus
He knows what's going on at a glance. He thirsts after knowledge, and is a good organizer. He is very independent, likes his freedom of action, is a non-conformist. He is very agreeable company and is always in demand.

Mars square Uranus
He is full of contradictions. He is original, tending to the eccentric, headstrong, impatient and irascible. He fights to the bitter end to overcome hurdles, and has the strength to overcome them.

Jupiter opposed Ascendant
He does not listen to those around him. Can possibly go to excess when eating.

Venus opposed Neptune
He lacks self-confidence and his ideals are not easily to achieve. In love, he is unstable and could be unfaithful and not always honest.

Saturn sextile Midheaven
He is ambitious, but in a calculated, well-balanced way. He perseveres, is serious, orderly. He climbs the ladder slowly but surely; if need be, he is willing to change his ideas. He is wise and experienced.

Venus opposed Saturn
He does not know how to express his emotions. He is frightened of showing his love, and this leads to disappointments, break-ups, lack of satisfaction. It is likely that he had problems with his mother, who did not know how to love him or give him self-confidence. He doubts, is suspicious and jealous. He will learn how to be happy in love, to be at ease with himself and to control his jealousy in the second half of his life, thanks to an older person, who gives his self-confidence back to him, so he can then trust others.

Venus trine Pluto
His emotional and sex life is powerful and rich. He lives out truly passionate love affairs.

Moon square Jupiter
He can be indifferent to others, to those who surround him. He likes excess, could gamble and his honesty could be "elastic".

Uranus trine Ascendant
He is always changing, can be unstable. He is ready to innovate, to change everything. He is inventive.

Moon square Ascendant
He is unhappily influenced by the family. He is probably loved insufficiently by his parents, but looks for more love especially from his mother.

Pluto conjunct Midheaven
He uses all his energy to succeed professionally. He has a good sense of organization and authority.

Sun trine Uranus
He is independent and original. He likes change, reforms, he is allergic to everything routine. He has a strong personality, and has many friends.

Venus trine Midheaven
He has good taste, has an affectionate nature, his love is warm and deep, based on intellectual understanding and common tastes. His friends are useful in furthering his career.

Sun trine Ascendant
He has good judgement. He succeeds through will-power and vitality.

Mars trine Pluto
He is ambitious, has a great capacity for work, has self-confidence and goes to the end of his plans.

posted June 30, 2002 03:02 PM         

So many to match up, but for a quick one is the older person that helps him in the 2nd half of life.
This is his 2nd wife (whom he is dv from) older and did come into his life when his 1st wife - whose soul was ruled by the bottle and other unknown demons - was killed on the mountain on an agry, drunken drive home. She was alone. Alcholism must be the worst enemy. One is jealous of an unseen force.
Anyway, he sees his 2wife as one that helped him out of his anger and be at ease -to be who he is today. He is very grateful to her.
He just did not love her as he wants to love a wife. And, he wants to find his own path now - I guess like moving away from home.

They are still best of friends.

Got to go - the weather is good and the horses(my own) are waiting for me!

For now -
Jes

posted June 30, 2002 03:51 PM         

"the pools of truth you send my way".

What a lovely thing to say

posted July 01, 2002 12:15 AM         

Randall and I have a very tight Venus/Mars conjunction. Here's what I think of the aspect: Nuff said!