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pidaua
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posted August 01, 2002 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
I recently posted this to Morning Storm not knowing that she was not available. Thank Jwhop for letting me know to start a new string. I appreciate the help.

Here it is:

I posted something a while back about the Leo and I, but I had the wrong birth times listed.

Leo: 7/28/1969 11:59 PM Moscow, Idaho
Sag: 12/16/1969 11:45pm Artesia, CA

For some reason we seem to have such a strong bond, but it always seems to be tested with power struggle games. It really feels as if he wants to test my loyalty over and over again with the getting close and pulling away thing. It also seems as though his main goal is to change meor subdue my outgoing nature, which drives me nuts.

We work together and most of the time we travel well together. Our job enables us to travel all over the US (which I love) and meet people from the ag industry. There is a fair amount of socializing and the industry is male dominated, which causes him to become a bit jealous (not that he wants to admit it) and possessive. He ends up making stupid comments and then the fight is on. He'll blow up, say that he never really cared for me or loved me, I pull away and cry, then we make up. Except, this time I feel a bit confined and can't deal with it, yet there is this strong pull that tells me that no matter what, we are meant to learn something from each other.

Sorry this is so long. I know that there is a lesson to be learned, but trying to find it out is driving me nuts. I really want to just walk away and I am trying to evaluate if it's what I should really do.

Any advice? Are we really tied by some former life and made to learn a lesson in this one.

Again, thank you for your help.

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"Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world--and never will."

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ineedlove
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posted August 01, 2002 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ineedlove     Edit/Delete Message
Sun 5 Leo 51 18N49
Moon 6 Aquarius 35 22S10
Mercury 13 Leo 8 18N35
Venus 24 Gemini 18 21N14
Mars 4 Sagittarius 34 24S23
Jupiter 2 Libra 2 0N17
Saturn 8 Taurus 29 12N00
Uranus 1 Libra 1 0N14
Neptune 25 Scorpio 58 17S35
Pluto 23 Virgo 13 16N41
Node 21 Pisces 56 2S34
Ascendant 18 Aries 13 7N09
Midheaven 11 Capricorn 2 22S59

Sun 25 Sagittarius 5 23S21
Moon 9 Aries 23 5N34
Mercury 11 Capricorn 35 25S11
Venus 15 Sagittarius 50 22S21
Mars 1 Pisces 12 12S04
Jupiter 0 Scorpio 6 10S25
Saturn 2 Taurus 20 9N51
Uranus 8 Libra 27 2S42
Neptune 29 Scorpio 25 18S25
Pluto 27 Virgo 19 15N25
Node 15 Pisces 38 5S30
Ascendant 15 Virgo 14 5N49
Midheaven 13 Gemini 52 22N28

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ineedlove
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posted August 01, 2002 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ineedlove     Edit/Delete Message
that the both of you alls data above as you probably know. But what I'm going to do is find out the compatibility between you all I will be back 1 second .......

P.S. Randall I know your proud of me that I'm truely learning astrology finally lol thanks to you all!

and pidua i will be back to tell you about your relationship!

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pidaua
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posted August 01, 2002 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks ineedlove. One thing to point out, he was born in Moscow, Idaho (His rising sign should be Taurus). Moscow is on Pacific time, like Spokane, Washington.

Thanks again!!! =)

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ineedlove
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posted August 01, 2002 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ineedlove     Edit/Delete Message
Sun sextile Moon
This is an aspect considered very good for cooperation and understanding. You to be the more action influence in this relationship. Thus, in our society, male/female relationships tend to have fewer problems if the man's Sun sextiles the woman's Moon. This is a very good combination for family and domestic relationships.

Sun sextile Jupiter
This aspect produces a cooperative attitude and generous friendship. You are likely to make excellent traveling companions. There is general philosophical agreement at many levels.

Sun sextile Uranus
This aspect generally denotes unusual friendships, or meeting under extraordinary circumstances. There is likely to be an inexplicable and immediate attraction. Though associated with romantic attractions, this aspect doesn't of itself indicate an enduring relationship.

Moon sextile Moon
This aspect aids communication and emotional empathy. In family and domestic relationships, this combination show compatibility derived from habit patterns established in the childhood family.

Moon sextile Venus
This is an aspect for romantic attraction and for marriage because it shows a sense of sympathy for each other. There is mutual consideration and you are likely to share social, musical, artistic and other activities and appreciations together. Common friends are usually found in relationships featuring this aspect. Emotional understanding may border on the intuitive. The aspect bestows a good deal of harmony in an emotional sense.

Moon square Jupiter
This comparative combination indicates the possibility of an insincere or somewhat hypocritical relationship. There may be a pandering to each other's weaknesses and self-indulgent tendencies. As parents, you may be inclined to be overly protective to children or to each other. You may join in unwise financial endeavors or be extravagant in expenditures together.

Moon square Saturn
This is a difficult and emotionally restrictive comparative combination. The restriction may be a financial one or it may be more of an emotional nature. Career and status ambitions, and resulting responsibilities cause conflict with family and domestic concerns. Saturn may be so wrapped up in career activities as to have no time to devote to the emotional needs of home and family.

Moon trine Mercury
This aspect is good for communication about everyday practical affairs, especially those relating to business, work and domestic matters. There is an ability to communicate emotional matters. This is not an indicator of sexual attraction, but it does tend to improve romantic affairs.

Moon trine Mars
This is a favorable aspect enhancing cooperation in business, professional and domestic endeavors. The aspect denotes mutual involvement and getting along in any project that is at hand. The combination also contributes to sexual attraction, working in this regard best when it is "her" Moon and "his" Mars.

Moon trine Uranus
This comparative aspect often indicates sexual attraction. Uranus supplies a great deal of interest and exciting in the relationship. Together you can have a large circle of friends, and you may use your home as a meeting place for social gatherings, organizations and unusual activities. You encourage each other to be more individualistic and creative and allow freedom of emotional expression.

part 2 is coming soon


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ineedlove
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posted August 01, 2002 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ineedlove     Edit/Delete Message
Mercury Sextile Uranus
This is a good aspect sparking a very interesting and creative friendship. You seem to be able to help each other come up with original ideas that make sense. This is a good combination for individuals involved in writing, the communication media, advertising, and scientific work of all kinds. Your minds seem to click well together.

Mercury square Jupiter
All Mercury/Jupiter relationships have the tendency toward Parent/child or Teacher/student match ups, with Jupiter always having the upper hand. The square aspect shows a degree of conflict in this regard and a general difference in opinion. Discussions usually go in circles and it is hard to arrive at conclusions.

Mercury square Saturn
There is a tendency for the Saturn person to seem too conservative, opinionated, or negative. At times, and to react negatively and impose heavy demands on Mercury in terms of mental discipline and work. This is a difficult aspect for all types or relationships. Often, jealousy and resentment are involved. You have a hard time understanding each other.

Mercury square Uranus
This aspect suggests rather major differences in viewpoint and opinion. You may have difficult agreeing on plans and activities. There is a good deal of impatience between you and in many ways you may grow to get on one another's nerves. In your communication, you tend to take too much for granted. The Uranus person may seem much too unstable.

Mercury trine Venus
This comparative combination indicates compatible ideas in the area of social activities and cultural pursuits. There is mutual understanding and a gentleness in communication. You are apt to enjoy mutual friends. In romantic and marital relationships, you are able to communicate feelings and emotional reactions, thus resolving most difficulties that occur. You make excellent traveling companions.

Mercury Trine Saturn
This is a good aspect for producing clear, precise, disciplined thinking. It is therefore associated with teacher/student, business, and other professional relationships. Saturn is apt to be the more serious thinker and help Mercury achieve constructive mental discipline, experience and exactness in work. Mercury tends to supply the new ideas and creativity. In a marital relationship, this aspect aids acceptance of mutual responsibility and sensible communication about serious issues.

Venus conjunct Mars
This is about the strongest of all indicators of sexual attraction. It removes any question in this regard. Whether or not this leads to more sensitive, romantic feelings or to marriage, depends on the rest of natal Horoscopes and how they compare. If Venus and Mars are badly aspected in either chart, sexual jealousy and possessiveness can be a problem. In any event, there is likely to be much passion and excitement in this relationship.

Venus sextile Jupiter
This aspect shows a sharing of cultural, religious and other higher values. You may be inclined to work together as an effective team in charitable, religious, or organizational endeavors. In marriage or romantic relationships, the sharing of religious, cultural, and educational values provides a basis of lasting compatibility that goes beyond emotional, sexual attraction.

Venus sextile Uranus
This aspect often produces an interesting and unusual friendship. It favors the mutual appreciation of art, music, science or other subjects and often produces romantic attractions. You were likely to meet through friends or group activities. In romantic or marital relationships there is a strong sexual, as well as a strong intellectual attraction.

Venus square Mars
This combination produces a very strong sexual attraction; however, there is often a lack of real emotional compatibility and mutual consideration. The relationship can be entered into by one or both parties merely for sexual gratification, without real concern for the other party as a person. In a romantic or marital relationship, sexual jealousy and possessiveness can be a problem. This is a difficult aspect for close personal relationships, but it is often present in them because of the high degree of sexual compatibility it generates at the outset of the relationship.

Venus trine Uranus
This comparative combination indicates strong, dramatic romantic and sexual attraction. You stimulate each other's sense of romance and excitement. There is often a mutual interest in the same things, often offbeat or unusual things.


Venus opposed Venus
In this comparative combination, you tend to mirror each other's moods and feelings. Often, you are romantically attracted, but there is a delicate mutual emotional balance to be maintained. The mirror image of emotional issues can produce very high highs, and very low lows. Thus, while there is much common ground in taste and social interest, the relationship may have some real peaks and valleys.


Mars sextile Saturn
This aspect usually denotes a mutual constructive effort and discipline in professional, financial, or administrative affairs. The Saturn person helps the Mars person be more disciplined in actions. This aspect helps you work well together. It is not a favorable indicator of romantic implications in the relationship, however, if romance is otherwise shown in the comparison, this is one of those aspects that provide discipline, durability and stability.

Mars sextile Uranus
This is a good work together aspect, especially for people whose job it is to come up with new and different ideas and to implement action to make ideas become reality. You may seem to boost each other's energy and determination to accomplish what you set out to do.

Mars square Mars
This comparative combination shows important differences in approaches to personal action, professional ambition, and business affairs. Any attempts for one or the other of you to be in charge and order the other around, will meet with resistance and conflict. Outbursts of temper, and in extreme cases, physical combat can occur with this combination. Despite the abusive nature of this aspect, romantic relationships do often occur. Viewing from this apect alone, these are essentially based on sexual gratification rather than on genuine love, and the relationship should have other positive traits to confirm its value.

The end! Im not a proffessional like all the astrologers on the board so i dont know if i can anser any technical advanced question. That I will have to leave to the experts!

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jwhop
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posted August 01, 2002 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Wow ineedlove, that's a lot of work. I like some of the aspect interpretations in the program you used better than some in mine!

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pidaua
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posted August 01, 2002 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you ineedlove. That was a lot of work and I appreciate it.

I would like to hear from Cat and / or Aphrodite about some of the specific problems that I am encountering with Mr. Leo. I am wondering if the fact that some of our problems stem from the fact that my Pluto conjuncts my rising sign, causing it to be in my first house, which in turn squares my Sun and Venus. Combine that with the fact that his rising sign is Taurus, which conjuncts his Saturn and is in his first house, which is squaring his Sun, Moon Mercury.

With these aspects and planet locations, are we exhibiting more of those signs characteristics (Virgo for me and Taurus for him)?
Hmmmmmmm..well..time will tell if this too shall pass or if it's time to move on.

Thanks again, I really do appreciate the help.

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jwhop
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posted August 01, 2002 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
jwhop

Whoops, sorry pidaua, I didn't see your previous post before I posted that.

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Cat
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posted August 01, 2002 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Pidaua
Sorry to hear you're having problems with your Leo

I've been away on holiday and out all day today so only just read your post. I'll take a look at your charts for you tomorrow but I see you've been getting some great readings/interpretations/advice from Ineedlove and Jwhop

It's past midnight here now so I'm not at my "brightest"
Have a good evening and we'll chat tomorrow
Sue

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ineedlove
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posted August 01, 2002 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ineedlove     Edit/Delete Message
your very welcome glad i can help a little and thank you for appreciating me it was a lot of worth it

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Cat
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posted August 02, 2002 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Pidaua
As I've only just got back from holiday, I'm running around a lot today but I will look at your charts over the weekend.

In the meantime, I took a quick look at your transits to see if we can figure out what's going on.

OK
You have Neptune transiting your 5th house so you may be wearing "rose coloured glasses" with regards to romance.
Uranus (erractic, sudden, unpredictable changes) is transiting your 6th house (work and health). Uranus is retro at the moment and is about to back up into your 5th house.
It doesn't go direct until 4th November so it's going to be sitting in your 5th for the rest of this year.
These 2 influences alone can explain how you're feeling.

Now I would guess that when you originally posted your question to Auriel the Moon was transiting your 7th house (it's in your 8th now). So you will really have been feeling emotional about your relationship. Plus as you have your natal moon in your 7th house as well - it was making a conjunction. Moon conjunct Moon signifies the beginning of a major emotional cycle - so it's possible that your feelings are going to be a dominant "theme" for about a month. Try not to lose your objectivity. It doesn't mean that you will feel especially good or bad - just that you'll be feeling any emotion more strongly

With regards to Mr Leo and his jealous/possessiveness. Well his 7th house (relationships) ruler is Scorpio, so he's going to be the jealous type.
Re him "making stupid comments" - his natal Mars is in Sagittarius and you know "foot in the mouth/not thinking before you speak" is a Sagittarius thing. So if you add that to the fact that Mars is our drive (how we go after things) PLUS the fact that his natal Mars is in his 7th house (relationships).....Well I guess you see the picture

He's recently had Pluto transiting his 7th house (It's just gone into his 8th house and as Pluto goes direct this month - 26th August) it won't go back into his 7th.
Now Pluto packs a punch...wherever it transits - it transforms. Pluto also rules power struggles. So while it was going through his 7th it was "hitting" his relationship house. When Pluto's does transit your 7th you need to make an extra effort to keep communications with partners open. Resentments tend to be unexpressed at this time. They will just build and blow up.
So you can see how this Pluto transit together with his 7th house natal that I mentioned above can have really got things to the situation you mention.

So add your two transits together...

I have to go now but hopefully this will give you something to be thinking about. I'll look at things again for you tomorrow
Sue

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pidaua
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posted August 02, 2002 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Sue,

Thank you so much for the insight. It really explained so much. I don't know why I never paid close attention to the fact that his Mars is in the 7th house and ruled by Scorpio. I can see how that would make a semi-caustic combination. His jealous tendancies combined with the old Sag-Foot and Mouth disease (which I am all too familiar with), makes it all so clear.

I am sure having my moon in Aries in the 7th house doesn't help when I feel like he is making a pointed attack at me.

Well, we have another business trip scheduled for Monday 8/5 to Wed 8/7. I hope we can get to the bottom of this and work things out.

Thank you again for your help. I really do appreciate the information.

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"Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world--and never will."

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Cat
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posted August 04, 2002 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Pidaua

Sorry I haven't had chance to look at your chart any further this weekend. It's midnight here now and so I'm off to bed.
Just wanted to say I hope your trip goes well
Sue

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