posted August 26, 2002 12:38 PM         

Every relationship in which someone steals your heart - you will tend to think you have met your 'twin'. There is a huge range of aspects astrologically which are supposed to reflect twin charts. Again there are various divergent theories involved here.

Twin souls seem to recognize each other instantly - which is one common thread of most love stories - and is popularly termed as 'Love at First Sight'.

Linda believed intensely in the existence of Twin souls - yet my question is What you mean when you say Twin soul? A purely spiritual definition is there - it is the 'other half' of your soul. But when You search for your twin soul, or you looking for your true soul needs, or your fantasies deep buried within - which is THE question.

I mys-elf have never 'searched' for a twin. Still I have met and connected with, who is reasonably(astrologically) my twin. It wasn't a first sight - No. It grew and blossomed at its pace - We find it beautiful - though there is nothing cinematic or fairy taley about it. It is much more than that.

posted August 27, 2002 12:32 AM         

I met my Twin 2 years ago in an on-line forum. And I didn't realize it until long after we separated from one another, mainly because (at the time) I didn't believe in soulmates, and had never even heard of twinsouls. But I was very aware of the fact that something unexplainable was taking place. He was so much a part of me...we mirrored one another exactly...from our hobbies, to our tastes in decor, to our tastes in music, tv shows and movies, to our talents (writing and sketching), to our love of animals, to our desire to live in the country, to our pets' names, to both of us moving to the capitals of our respective countries to work for the government (in similar capacities), to the names of our government agencies being similar (and sharing affiliations with one another)....I could go on and on and on. The similarities are absolutely astounding.

Yet what caused me to sit up and take notice was the fact that we were both drawn to one another in such an inexplicable way...I was drawn to him before I ever *met* him in the forum; just seeing his board name caused me to shake with anticipation...and yet I had no idea who he was, other than the fact that he was another faceless name. I started following his posts around the forum, and noticed months later that he was doing the same with me. After we finally *met* there, I began to *sense* his presence, knowing just when he was going to show up, even recognizing him if he was using an alternate board name that no one knew. When he sent me a picture of himself, I actually *felt* his very soul in looking into his eyes. And I recognized him...only not as anyone I'd ever met. I also began to feel his emotions...which at times was difficult for me, since he had very strong feelings for his girlfriend (believe me, I did not want to feel them...). He did not have feelings for me physically, yet there was more of a spiritual connection, and it was as though we both depended upon one another for that; we couldn't let one another go. Yet I was able to sense many things, future events, including our separation...I knew it was coming, and was terrified of losing him.

When we did finally separate I first went through an intensity of pain that cannot be described in words. A pain absolutely beyond description. I also went through an awakening of my spirituality. I don't know what he experienced; I only know that he was hurting very much.

Since then I've had a couple of very lucid dreams about him, as well as some other *lesser* dreams...and even experienced two very strange events...one day at work I am sure that for a few brief moments, he and I came together, our souls were intertwined within my body...he was seeing *through* me, seeing my world. And we also went through what I believe to be a meeting of our souls on an astral plane. Again, something that I am at a loss to explain with words.

(And to keep this story short, I am leaving out so very many things that passed between us, so many things that could not be explained under normal circumstances...)

No, I never searched for my Twin, having never believed in the existence of one anyway. And he came into my life in the strangest of ways...in an on-line forum, something I usually hated taking part in. I stumbled across the site one day and stayed, flitting from thread to thread, not really wanting to even be there, yet knowing...sensing...that I NEEDED to be there.

posted August 27, 2002 01:09 PM         

Yes, I do agree, all that happens to you happens because of you....on a soul level. We agree to certain things long before incarnating, and I think that what we - in our physical form - choose to do with it determines a lot of things. Twinsouls are in search of one another, but that search could take decades, or many lifetimes, before they make their way back towards one another. I think that Twins agree to meet at certain junctures, and for various reasons. The meeting could be to help one another find (or get back to) their own spiritual path...or perhaps they may come together briefly if one is in need of some type of help. Finally the two will come together once again, when they are ready for one another.

Of course, this is all hypothetical...no one really has any sure answers. But I do believe it, based upon what I and a few others I have spoken to have experienced. Yeah, not a whole lot to go on, but it is what my *inner voice* tells me.

You wrote: "Every relationship in which someone steals your heart - you will tend to think you have met your 'twin'."

In my case that couldn't be further from the truth. I never lived my life in search of my *other half*, nor did I have the feeling that he was out there somewhere, but I did go through life feeling incomplete, like half of me was missing. And yet, every time I met a man with whom I held interest, not once did I have the feeling of 'he's the one...he's my other half'. Even with the man I married...I knew deep down inside that he wasn't the right one for me, and that in the long run it just wouldn't work out. Yet I went ahead and married him because back then, I chose to ignore my inner voice, and I believed that I could make it work somehow. Years later I met one of the dearest men in the world; he and I hit it off right away. I fell in love with him...but again, I knew that he wasn't 'the one'. Just sensed it. But the day that I met my Twin...no, actually it was before I ever really met him, it was after I had seen a few of his posts but hadn't yet spoken to him, that I knew. HE was the one....there was the intense draw to him that had me so utterly confused, and my soul was screaming at me to pay attention. As I believe it was with him too. And at that point, I knew nothing about him, absolutely nothing.

"There is a huge range of aspects astrologically which are supposed to reflect twin charts. Again there are various divergent theories involved here."

I can't really speculate as to natal charts and all of the data on Twins, as I don't delve into astrology too much. All I know is, he and I are both Virgos...my birthday falls one day after his. But with me, it was the numerology that struck me (again, something I don't easily get interested in). We were ages 32 and 43 when we met....adding those numbers to themselves comes up to 5 and 7, which equals 57, my year of birth. We separated the year after, when he was 33 and I was 44...6 and 8..68...his year of birth. Numbers 33 and 11 (and 111) have been appearing everywhere in my life since we separated, as well as his year of birth - 68. Everywhere! I was absolutely inundated with them. Still am. And my life path number is 11, his is 3. I even received a *message* one day...I have received several, although am skeptical about some of them, as it is hard to separate true messages from *ego-speak*. That message was, "Seven years and you will be with him". It surprised the heck out of me, as I wasn't thinking about *us* at all when I heard it. I tried to dismiss it, yet it bothered me, so a couple of weeks later I was trying to analyze things and suddenly realized....seven years from now is 2009, added together it is 11. And our ages - once our birthdays are reached that year - will be 42 and 53, added together...6 and 8...68, his year of birth. That kind of threw me, but still I try to dismiss it. I don't want to live my life *expecting* it to happen.

"Twin souls seem to recognize each other instantly - which is one common thread of most love stories - and is popularly termed as 'Love at First Sight'."

Again, this I would describe differently in my case. I did *recognize* him in a way, I suppose, but not a love at first sight type of recognition. It was more of a soul recognition...I *knew* him, somehow...but couldn't put my finger on it. There was the inexplicable draw towards one another, but it was more of a curiosity than anything. And we had nothing to base that curiosity on. Neither of us knew the other, or knew anything about each other. There were hundreds of people frequenting that forum on a daily basis, but none had that effect on me. An effect that I felt before ever meeting him. And as I said, it wasn't until long after we separated that I discovered what had happened between us. I honestly thought I was going crazy until I researched and found info on Twinsouls.

And the draw towards this man I do believe began to happen way back when I was still a young girl. I'd always been drawn to the US; I've felt more like an American than a Canadian all of my life. Never understood why though. And when I was 11, my family went to the US on holiday....I thought about it a few months ago and realized (remember what I said about the numbers?)...I was 11, he was 11 months old when this trip occured, and we went to NC, which wasn't very far from where he would have been born. Now, 33 years later, I went back to NC on a course through work. And I was beseiged by the numbers 11 and 33 for the entire trip. They stopped as soon as I came back home. Oh, and the very first night I was there I had a dream; in it one of my guides spoke to me and gently said, "You're on the right path".

Raj, I think that there is so much to Twinsouls and soulmates that none of us even understands yet. And who knows? Perhaps the truth to it all lies within what you as a soul believes. Maybe there is no right or wrong concept; maybe your concept is the right one for you, mine is the right one for me, and so on. Hopefully we will know the answers when the time is right.

posted August 30, 2002 08:50 AM         

"What you are looking for?"

"I am looking for my pen."

"Is it this?" you take a pen you find, and show it to him.

"No. Not that."

"Is it blue ink or black ink?"

"I don't know"

"What make is it?"

"I am not sure."

"At least how it looks?"

"I told you - I dont know."!

"Then how would you find it?"

"Oh, I am just looking for my pen."

posted August 30, 2002 09:36 AM         

Raj, that's exactly what I do. But I don't dismiss everything else either. Astrology - I've never really delved into the subject (which is funny, considering the theme of this forum); and numerology? I never believed in it at all. But I had become so besieged by numbers - all relating to my Twin and myself - that I HAD to research it, as they were driving me crazy.

posted August 30, 2002 11:05 AM         

>>And, logistically speaking - the way I normally function through life, with logistics and cold, hard facts - it makes no sense<<

Oi. I hear ya. I've only steered away from relying soley upon what I defined as "logic" in the face of overwhelming evidence that there's more to life. Do you ever "just know" something? Nothing important or especially relevant (ie - the next pres of the US, the fate of mankind, etc, etc), mostly totally off the wall things (like, hey - "just knowing" some random man who comes into your work has taken Aikido; or, hm - I'm getting a letter from so-and-so today, and, yep, there it is...).
It's not only confusing, it's annoying ... life would make so much more "sense" if rationally scientific thought (as we know it, anyway) explained everything.
Argh. I still rail against the way real astrology seems to jive with real life and the way that some of whatever undercurrents there are to life seem to whack me upside the head now and again, and I probably always will. So don't feel bad about being a skeptic; we're probably healthier (ignoring nervous tension) b/c of it.

Corri

posted August 30, 2002 03:06 PM         

Your post made me smile!
Yes, I know what you mean about not being too fond of predictive astrology. I don't like to base interpretations and/or decisions upon numbers or natal charts. But at the same time, there is *something* to be said for them as well. So I take everything *with a grain of salt* and don't rely heavily on anything - except for my inner voice/gut instinct. I've learned to look at everything sort of grouped together - a smattering of astrology, a hint of numerology, but most important, 99% of it is my inner voice. (Which is a huge change for me, having always been such a realist in the past.) I am also very leery of psychics, mainly because so many of them are not all they're cracked up to be. I did go to one 20 years ago who absolutely astounded me with her accuracy, but....when one begins relying upon forecasts told by another, I think that the mindset is to start living one's life according to what they have been told. And quite often, if the psychic is not accurate, then the person who has had the reading done could potentially miss out on a very important, sometimes life-altering experience, simply because they begin to subconciously rule out what their higher self is telling them, in favour of what the *psychic* has foretold.

And yep, this is a good place to rant...

posted September 07, 2002 02:16 AM         

TWINSOULS

Love at first sight.
Why?
It's not the sports, favorite foods, or wearing matching socks to bed. It's not
looking into their eyes and seeing valhala.
It's not suddenly bumping into each other
in the book store. It's not even wishful thinking.
Twin souls are roads, road blocks, stepping
stones, pepples in the pond, a cool breeze, a tornado, a bus stop to nowhere.
What is it that twin souls recognize in each other?
Their Pain. That's it, that's all she wrote.
It's how they deal with it, nuture it, cure it or torture it, that will make it a road to knowledge or a road less travelled.
Either way, it's a cue to get wise and learn all there is to learn. It could take a day
a month or a life time. Twin souls are paths to enlightenment. If your path says wait 7 years and walk alone, then maybe you need to walk alone for the next seven years.
Maybe that's all this twin was there for.
As far as hoping to find him at the end of the seventh year turn pike. Go for it, maybe he'll be there and you won't like it.
Maybe he won't be there and you'll not even notice. Where your thoughts flow, your energy will go. My Zen self says, you are on a long journey of self discovery.
My astro-being says your world is about to get a bit shaken up. You're entering the twilight zone to freedom, however, there is never healing without going through some pain. (it's going to be ruff for a while)
Listen to music, TONS of it.

Gotta get in to get out

Phill Collins

PS as far as the numerology goes, put down that calculator, your driving yourself and everyone else crazy.
The number 3 THREE THREE THREE is whats really haunting you, and baby, it's a mystery. Do life first, leave the mystery to god.

posted September 07, 2002 07:29 AM         

There aren't wiser words.

posted September 07, 2002 12:15 PM         

Excuse my taurian ego, but did you not
mean Booda, regarding the above statement?
If Not I apologize for standing in my own
Bull Muffin.

Booda

PS
Raj, You stated that it looked like I was talking to mys-elf. In the past yes, now
no, I was taking through myself.
Your intuition and insight makes me wonder
why you ask that which you already seem to know.

"now that the house has burned down, I can see the moon"

posted September 07, 2002 05:16 PM         

"now that the house has burned down, I can see the moon"

Aw, aw, much too formal for so true a sentiment...
I like:
"Barn's burnt down. Now I can see the moon."
-Masahide
Makes me smile.

SS - Yep, and this is the only place I can really rant about these topics.
>>So I take everything *with a grain of salt* and don't rely heavily on anything - except for my inner voice/gut instinct. I've learned to look at everything sort of grouped together - a smattering of astrology, a hint of numerology, but most important, 99% of it is my inner voice. (Which is a huge change for me, having always been such a realist in the past.)<<
Now your post made me smile; it's always nice to hear someone talkin' like you, esp if it happens so rarely.

posted September 09, 2002 05:16 PM         

Do you have any of your wise/kind words to say to Hexiana about you groovy Taureans?
(She got miffed at the as-she-saw-it Taurus denigrating mood of the "Help me to recognize sun sign..." thread.)

Aw, OK - it's for me, too. You Bulls happen to be some of my favorite people.

posted September 09, 2002 06:47 PM         

"For each one of us, exist one special person.

A lot of times, exist two , three or even four.

All come from different generations.

They cross oceans of time and celestial depths to be with us again.

They can look different, but our heart recognizes them.

Our heart sheltered them with arms as we have now, in the desert of Egypt, under the moonlight of the old plains of Mongolia.

We marched together with the armies of warlike generals that history forgot, and we lived with them in the old men's caves covered with sand .

There are between them and us an eternal link , that never disappears.

Our mind can interfere saying :" I don't know you", but our heart knows.

When this person takes our hand for the first time, the memory of that touch transcends the time .

She looks in our eyes and we see a spirit that is accompanying us for centuries.

There is a stranger sensation in our stomach. Our skin creeps.

Everything that exists out of that moment loses the importance.

But, sometimes this person cannot recognize us, even if we have finally met again.

We felt that there is a connection, we see the future, but the other person doesn't see.

Fears, rationalization, problems, cover her eyes as a veil.

We cried and we suffered but she leaves.

However, when the two are recognized, no volcano is capable to explode with same force.

The liberated energy is enormous.

The recognition of the soul can be immediate.

A sudden familiarity sensation, of knowing that person in deeper levels than the conscious mind could reach.

We know for intuition what we should say and how she will react.

A feeling of safety and a much larger trust that we could not reach in one week, one month or until one year, with another person, happens in just few moments.

The recognition of the soul can be subtle or slow.

The conscience is waking up to the measure in that the veil is being lifted up.

Nor all are ready to see immediately.

A rhythm exists and patience can be necessary for who notices first.

A look, a dream, a memory, a sensation can wake up us for the spirit companion's presence.

The touch of her hands or a kiss in her lips can be our awakening and projected us all of a sudden to a new life.

That touch that can wake up us, may belong to a father, a son or a dear friend.

Or she can be the person we loved, that crosses once again the centuries to kiss us and to remember that we will be always together, until the end of times. "

posted September 09, 2002 11:45 PM         

Dear Taurus, seems the "twin soul" vs. "Soul Mate" had you seeing a bit red.
However, common to Taurus, you were quick to appologize for your quick fiesty temper.
True, a Taurus can go off like TNT. But they feel so guilty afterward. Only because they don't like that side of themselves, feeling out of control or upset. Compared to their calm, soft, lovely each going, selves. I must add, that there are some Taurus', whom cannot control their tempers.
These, are the baby's (which Taurus is) Who refuse or are ignorant of their responsibilty (as all of us) to transcend the negative asspects of their sun sign.
My absolute worst lack of insight in a Taurus
has been discovered over and over, that those born on the 2nd or the 20th of May have a long firey road to transcendence.
Anyone involved with these Bulls, should be warned to tread lightly and carry a big stick.
On the lighter side. I love comedy, Austin Powers, Fat ******* , Dr. Evil, Alotta Fagina LOL! Love that one! Are the iciing on my lifes cake. I have to stop the tape just so I can laugh till I can't breath, and then do it again.
We're the best friends in the world! Even if we haven't talked to you for 4 years.
The table is always set for our friends (we prefer to call followers) to feast and be comforted. (besides we have the finest taste and the coziest beds in the universe) and the best towels, soap, and every bubble bath invented. Candles, candles and yes more candles. I have people who come to my house just to nap, because it's the Best place in the world.
Welcome to club med. baby!
But don't take advantage of our hearth not heart, we're lovers, not idiots.

On the Stuborn side of things:

We're not stuborn, we're just right!! HELLO?

posted September 10, 2002 08:16 AM         

Well for one thing - it is the memory of the Aries ego.

And as someone here phrased it - We are not stubborn, we are right.

Or believe to be right - it can be either way.

I think the solution is - It is not Who is right, it is What is right that matters.

Taurus will take a long long time before he or she makes up their mind, and once it is made up it is set in stone. Full Stop. After that they won't budge an inch. Taurus is the most stable - infact Taurus rules stability and inertia - and the slowest to change of all signs in case they would change.(Read :Taurus Child, Sun Signs)

Interestingly, Taurus gem is diamond - the toughest metal on earth. It is not possible to crack a diamond - it would need another diamond.

It is true - Taurus are lovely, sweet, nice, warm but not fools or idiots - if all that Venusian loveliness tends to fool you into believing this 'nice fat fellow' is in your palm - you are on the wrong track - the track to hell. He has calculated everything carefully - infact that is the only way he does anything - carefully - in the end you will be the one to be disillusioned.(Read :Taurus Boss, Sun Signs)

Ja, I think here we were discussing Twin souls...

Hexiana, your post is so typically Virgoisitic - that kind of total practicality and materialism - almost like a machine. Geminis used to refer Virgos as 'S-elf Programming Computers' (Read Gemini -Virgo, Love Signs). Geminis do analyze like Virgos, but Virgo is the 'ultimate' when it comes to analyzing. Infact, you can read Virgo-Virgo chapter, about the Virgo husband who calculated planetory motions down to the minutes and seconds - and could 'forecast' the telephone call from his wife's mother, that the milkman in the morning would have a bad bruise, as he slips down in the corner of the street, and there would be a thunder now (even when there was no rain) - things like that. I don't know if it is practical to use that kind of astrology, someone should tell me - may be it could be useful in forecasting rain and storms - but to predict whether someone would fall down, or get bruised, or miss a bus - But it would be certainly very interesting. When your friend calls, you can pick the phone and call his name! In reply to his surprise, you can explain that the Mars and Pluto were just now conjunct, with the Neptune trining them or some astrological jargon like that - he would probably think you are going nuts.

Once more getting back to our topic - Soul Mate is more accurate - Twin soul is more romantic.