posted September 15, 2002 12:37 PM         

You have a seriously packed 12th house....
5 planets there - all in Libra.
Now the 12th house can be a bit of a mystery - it's where we can hide things.
We can also find restrictions, hidden enemies (as opposed to open enemies, shown by the seventh house), psychological problems, self undoing - the tendency to do ourselves in. Any planet in this house represents something we are hiding from the world, and, frequently, from ourselves as well. Now, naturally knowing about a problem is the first step to deal with it. People with several planets in the twelfth house can be sensitive, caring people who put up with a lot garbage from others.

(Hey - I know...I have 4 planets in my 12th house in my natal chart!)

Anyway back to you.
In your 12th house your have....
Sun, Pluto, Mars, Uranus & Mercury

Sun in the 12th House:
This placement can make you a night person. Early morning for you is probably a good time to go to sleep. It can incline you to work in places of restriction, such as hospitals. You might also have a tendency towards artistic occupations.
The Sun is where we shine, it's our ego, it's the core of our being - you may very well be hiding this from yourself as well as everyone else.

Mars in the 12th House:
Hides your anger and aggression. Watch out when your temper finally explodes - you'll not only surprise everyone around you but you'll surprise yourself as well!

Pluto in the 12th House:
While Mars here can suppress anger, Pluto suppresses rage! When that ever comes out - you'll probably scare yourself! However on the positive side, there is increased ability in the healing professions (medicine, psychotherapy, etc.).

Uranus in the 12th House:
Hides originality, eccentricity, and genius. You probably learned very early in life that this was the safe thing to do. Now, naturally, anything that is suppressed causes "psychological pressure" to build up, and when it blows, watch out.

Mercury in the 12th House:
You may well be hiding your intellect.

Now there are 2 reasons that I'm mentioning all of this.
The first being, that with all of those things hiding in your 12th it probably takes a long time before anyone really gets to know you. You may very well not even fully know yourself.

The second reason is the transits that you are currently going through......
Hmmm Saturn has started to square all of those planets and you will find this tough.
I've just experienced a similar thing myself over the past few years.

Saturn is currently at 28 degrees Gemini and so now square your Libra Sun at 3 degrees.
So you'll be feeling this approaching
It's also square your Mars and Pluto but not tight enough for you to currently notice it. Saturn transits have been feared for centuries. Everyone thinks that they bring all sorts of calamities but in fact what they do bring is dissatisfaction and a desire for change. People can be bound to the same routine year after year. When necessary changes aren’t made, Saturn transits tend to force them. What Saturn transits really do is bring things to a conclusion. One cycle ends and another begins. Saturn transits tend to bring us the results of our actions, for better or worse. But if everything in your life has been taken care of and there are no problems that need fixing, then Saturn transits can also bring rewards. If you have no loose ends in your life, Saturn will have nothing to chop off. The best way to handle Saturn transits is to look way ahead and see when they are coming. Yes, Saturn periods can be hard, but if you handle them right, the rewards you get will be solid and long-lasting.

Now you will feel this easing up when Saturn goes in retrograde motion next Month on 11th Oct. He is then retrograde until 22 Feb - so will back off your Sun. You should feel better. However once he starts going direct again next year you will feel it! It will take a while for it to reach a direct hit on your Sun (when transiting Saturn gets to 3 degrees Cancer).

posted September 16, 2002 05:21 AM         

Thanks a lot for the detailed analysis, I am amazed.

I will reply most your conclusions, the ones I don't agree, and the ones I do, keeping in mind that will help further analysis.

Sun in the 12th House:
I am not a night person, definitely not, but may be that is more to do with my upbrining, my parents are early morning persons, and I have a great influence of that! Yes, I do have a tendacy towards artistic occupation, unfortunately, I am not following any!

Perfect about hiding anger and rage and agression, though quite unconciously.

Uranus and Mercury in the 12th House: This worries me. May be it is true that I hide originality, eccentricity, genius and intellect. People always recognize me to be more intelligent and capable than I think I am. And I might also add that I am quite lazy and less sincere.

About it taking long time to know me, may be you are correct. My observation is that people like me, get attracted to me in first few months I know them. Later, I am not sure if they continue to like, though they definitely don't dislike me after!

Your analysis regarding Saturn is great. I am definitely in transit phase, as I am looking forward to a change in job, and probably geographical location.

Thanks a million for your time.

posted September 16, 2002 06:17 AM         

Sun in 12th = night person...well the "theory" is that if you were born late at night you'd be a night person. Sorry I was forgetting you are in Indian and so were born in the morning. My brain must have been sleeping when I put that

Can I ask, why you aren't following your artistic tendencies? Maybe it's something you should think about doing?

Yes, I thought you'd relate to Mars & Pluto - I also have them sitting in my 12th house!
Don't worry about Mercury and Uranus - the 12th house is not a bad place for them. (I also have Mercury in my 12th!)
Sometimes other people can "see" what we are "hiding" in our 12th better than we can ourselves - which is why, as you say, other people always recognize you to be more intelligent and capable than you think you are.

Yes you are definately going through a lot of changes and will continue to do so next year when Saturn once again starts to square your 12th house stellium - but more about that later.

You mentioned about a probably geographical location change. Well yes - you currently have both Neptune and Uranus transiting your 4th house (home). So it doesn't surprise me that you are thinking about moving and also possibly changing jobs.

When Uranus transits your 4th house - it begins when it crosses the bottom of your horoscope. When it does this, it is opposite your Mid-Heaven, so it can affect your career as well. For the few weeks that Uranus spends exactly at the bottom of your chart, your job is subject to sudden change. It may come from you or from your boss. It could be a spur of the moment thing.
What happens exactly depends on your situation and the other transits taking place at that time but for most of this transit, Uranus will just be affecting your home and possibly your relationship with your parents. As always with Uranus transits, watch out for a tendency to rush into things. Sit down and plan.

Now you also have Neptune transiting your 4th house.
This is not the best transit if you want to buy a house as Neptune tends to cause confusion wherever it goes. Under Neptune transits, we are more likely to see what we want to see instead of what is really there. It can also lead us to make excuses. “Wow, that house is really beautiful. I just have to buy it. Oh sure, it has a few minor things wrong, like termites and rotten plumbing, but I think I can clear these up without too much trouble.” Hmmmm be careful if you are buying a new house! Neptune in your 4th can also cause confusion in relations with parents, so you may find that you will have to make an extra effort in this area - but as always, this depends on your situation.
Under this transit, your imagination will get stronger when you are at home.

Finally, for now, you have Pluto transiting your 2nd house (money, material values etc).
So please watch your money and possessions.
Pluto can tend to destroy things - they can always be built back up later, but first, they have to hit bottom. Now the 2nd house also shows what you value, and this includes your sense of self-worth.

posted September 16, 2002 10:06 AM         

About not following my artistic tendencies, may be the reason lies in deep past. I was very good at acting in school and did a lot of dramatics and elocution. But my parents were not very favourable for me taking up it as a career. Mainly because it does not ensure good job, money etc. Also, if you are not successful and famous, you do not have much respect in society. There is a lot of struggle. You need to be really genius, and I did not have confidence that I have enough talent to hit it big. So instead I took rather easy and sure path of professional eductaion, at which also I became successful, ensuring a good job and financial security. I was also good at poetry, even today, I try to have some peace of mind and write something, but my work does not allow me to!

By a sudden change do you mean a change in field or specialization or just location? Also, is it change in professional life or also love life?

I have no intension of buying house in near future.

I don't completely understand "Under this transit, your imagination will get stronger when you are at home."

Once an astrologer told me that I have "so called" happy life till I turn 35. Do you see something like that?

posted September 16, 2002 11:29 AM         

You asked....
"By a sudden change do you mean a change in field or specialization or just location? Also, is it change in professional life or also love life?"

Uranus is the planet of change and these changes can be sudden and totally unexpected.
The 4th house rules home and family. Love life is more the 5th house (romance) and also the 7th house (partnerships).

When I said "Under this transit, your imagination will get stronger when you are at home." It's because Neptune is transiting your 4th house (home) and Neptune (dreams, imagination) - so the 2 things together.

I'm not sure why any astrologer would tell you you would have "so called" happy life till I turn 35". I am assuming this was an Indian Astrology who maybe used the Horary Astrologer method? Predictive astrology is not something that I or any of the other astrologers on this site specialise in.

posted September 18, 2002 03:31 AM         

That was good food for thought. Yes, probably you are right about having free will and happiness! I am not trying to find out from starts how much happiness I have.

I am trying to find out what is problem with our starts together. I mean, definitely, we are not getting along well. We are basically very different by nature. There is no harmanoy whatsoever. I am curious what our starts have to throw light on this!

posted September 18, 2002 06:37 AM         

Your hubby currently has Saturn transiting his 7th house and the True Node is also transiting there as well. Now I have not studied the Node transits but it's my understanding that the house that the Node is transiting through is the area of your life that you should be working towards at that time. Which makes sense considering your current situation with him.
Now Saturn transits through the 7th can cause some problems. This is the house of marriage and partnership and while Saturn passes through here, is can also be the house of divorce. BUT only if the relationship is on the rocks to begin with. Saturn transits tend to bring things to a head. Never put decisions off during a Saturn transit....don't let thing "just happen" because that's almost like telling Saturn to make the decisions for you and you might not like the result!
However in saying all of that, Saturn entering his 7th House means that it is starting to transit the top half of his horoscope. And this is when he'll begin to get his rewards his past work. I haven't looked at his chart yet but Saturn here could mean that this is the start of a new phase of life. He may tend to be more concerned with career and “external” matters, less concerned with purely personal and “internal” things. And he may be facing a lot of opppostion at this time because the 7th house also rules open enemies (as well as marriage & partnerships). Saturn transiting here will make him suddenly more noticeable and the success that this transit tends to bring also attracts jealousy.

So Uday, I will look at your charts together and come back to you. I would say he needs your support right now. Maybe it's time to come out of your 12th house and try to talk to him?
Sue

posted September 18, 2002 08:01 AM         

Thanks. I am wondering how do you get time and patience. You are so helpful to so many people coming here, always taking time to analyze and understand their problems. I really appreciate that.

We have been married over four years. Do you need exact date?

I am not sure what you mean by "Which makes sense considering your current situation with him." Can you explain? The area of life
that you should be working towards at that time?

I don't know when you say the relationship is on the rocks. To tell the truth, I have never been happy in this relationship since the beginning. I just kept on trying, since my culture and upbringing tells me to. We have always had frequent fights (though not physical or violent, but painful still). There has always been lack of understanding. There have been patches of time, relatively peaceful. But there have been months when we have not spent a single day without fighting at least once.

To add, we work at the same place. I meet many people for my work, and honestly, though nobody has said this to me, I can see that men do get attracted to me. I guess I have quite attractive looks and personality. In spite of our not so good relationship, I have never been attracted to any other man. I am just not made like that. If the divorce has to come, I am sure I will never initiate it. Though I am not happy, and don't know if I ever will be, I will not ask for divorce.... And I don't think he will ask either. But then, this seems like a dead end to me!

You are correct about the reward of his past life. It is getting a good period for his career. And change in near future is what he has been working towards for quite some time. He is absolutely more concerned about external things now than internal.

I understand about support. I am here to support him always if he needs. And I hope I have done my best.... I have tried to be a good wife. May be I have been a failure...

My basic problem is I am not able to relate with him. Each of us expects the other to change. And both of us think "why me?" It's so complicated.

Sue, I have almost poured my heart out to you. I hope I am not taking too much of your time.... Anyway, looking forward for your comments on our charts together.

posted September 18, 2002 08:35 AM         

No I don't need your marriage date, I was just wondering how long you'd been married for. Maybe we can look at the date later.

When I said....
"Which makes sense considering your current situation with him."
I was meaning the fact that he has these 7th house transits going on. These transits will force issues to come to a head. When I mentioned "relationships on the rocks" I was only referring to this Saturn transit being capable of making a divorce happen but only for relationships that were already on the rocks. Hope that makes it clearer

Actually I was going to ask you if you worked together - your charts do indicate that.

Your hubby has his natal Sun in his 6th house - so he will "shine" at work.

No, please don't think you have been a failure. You haven't. All you can ever do is your best - which is what you've been doing

You say...
"My basic problem is I am not able to relate with him".
You do have Mercury opposed Mercury in your synastry chart which does show that you often will have different opinions about the same subject which would cause "discussions" about it but this aspect by itself doesn't mean that you can't get along. Yes it can indicate that you'll have misunderstandings but not usually enough to stop you solving the problem. As your Mercury is in Libra and his is in Aries - he will be more fixed than you.

But as I said, I haven't fully looked at your charts yet to see what other apsects could be adding this.

I'll get back to you when I've had a proper look at your charts.

posted September 25, 2002 03:06 AM         

Looks like you have forgotten me. Or may be you are very busy. I would love to hear more from you, if you have time. I am quite depressed still....

Thanks for everything.

posted September 25, 2002 02:57 PM         

I am sorry to hear that. Actually, if you are really so busy and in difficult time, it's ok. I will say, forget about me....

I am frustrated in my own way, but I don't want to burden you.

I wish and pray for your peace and health. Do write whenever you can. I will remain here till then :-)

posted November 04, 2002 08:41 AM         

Do you think you have time to check the following two things:

1. You said that our charts indicate that me and my hubby work at the same place. Will it continue to be like that for some more time? I think this is one of the reasons we have some stress also, as all the time (almost) we are together....

2. You also indicated change in my work. Do you foresee approximate time-frame for that?

Thanks again