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Topic: Past Lives and what are we to do this time?
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Astrid
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posted August 19, 2003 03:56 PM
 
I am new to this site, and it's most excellent. I love Linda Goodman, as she has given me comfort in times of heartache. I loved Lunargirl's response to Celtic Shaman in her first message about scaring her twin flame away for good. (I've been there) It was GREAT advice, and I thank her for myself too. I am learning about astrology because I am seeking answers on a karmic relationship. Can anyone make anything of this?: Him: Sun, Merc, Venus, Neptune in Scorp (all in the 12th house). Acs: sag, Moon: Virgo (conjunct my mars, uranus, pluto). Mars: Leo, Saturn: Aq.
Me: Sun, Merc, Venus, Neptune in Scorp. Asc: Gemini, Moon: Taurus. Saturn: Pisces
Agghh. I've climbed many mountains with him. I was never "really" certain about past life regressions or in love at first sight, but I do now. In Love Signs, Linda stated that when 2 scorps come together, one or both of them experience strange reincarnational insights. (ME!! wow!) Never happened b4 I met him. I wonder what all those PRIVATE (scorpio) planets in his 12th mean. I know, he reveals VERY little. In fact, his Venus is retrograde. . . sigh. He has his love challenges, and is most comfortable being alone. But he is human, and has a sweet heart and a good soul, and needs love like the rest. I've resolved (through painful introspection) to love this man unconditionally and be there for him when he needs me for the rest of my life. I'm not saying I will not marry someone else. I need tangible love in this life. I think in a past life I hurt him and (so bad) now he has this retrograde venus. That's it in a nutshell. I understand him like very few ever will, and I have vowed to love him, even if it has to be from a distance.
Has anyone else ever felt this way? Better yet, can anyone offer insight about our aspects? I would never, ever dream of this unusual relationship experience, and cannot see myself being this way with or for anyone else. It's just him. It feels like it's my karma to love him the way he needs to be loved= without demands. 
Heelllpp! Thank you!IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
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posted August 20, 2003 04:02 AM
Welcome!  ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Lunargirl
Knowflake Posts: 1513
From: south of utopia
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted August 20, 2003 02:23 PM
Hi Astrid! Welcome!Glad that post in the other thread resonated for you! You have a rare situation. Very few people truly understand that a lifelong love can take many forms, and accept it fully, the way you have, even if the form in which it appears does not match all needs. I admire that. Can you post your birthdata, and that of your partner? Date, time and place of birth. It might be helpful to see where the closest connections are in your charts -- and maybe see what some of the karmic obligations are between you. The aspects with outer planets often point to particular karma. I know, I know, I'm asking for the birthdata of two Scorps. <Lunargirl shakes horns at self>  If you prefer to keep your data private, you could just go to a site like Astro.com and input the data yourself, then just post the aspects as a list. If you can't obtain birthtimes (esp. from him if he's so secretive) we'll still see what we can do. I make no claim to be any expert on karmic ties, but I can try. I had a very intense love relationship with someone, and we parted. I was devastated, although I knew we could not be together and that it was right that we should part. During the relationship, I once spontaneously told him that we were together because he needed to be loved, and because I needed to love. I knew I spoke truth that day. After it was over, during a mediation I asked my higher self to please explain what we had been to each other in another life, that necessitated our pairing and parting in this one. A scene unfolded in my mind's eye that explained so much, although it was nothing I'd expected, of course. I saw exactly how there had also been love and a great bond then, and how I had hurt him, and realized how we had played out similar themes this time around, except that this time we were equals and both strong enough to break the negative influence. All in all, I believe we did pretty well this time around, and maybe in a next life we can love with less pain. Have you tried to do a past life regression, either via mediation or with a hypnotherapist, or via other means? And may I ask, what kinds of past-life insights have you had? Flashes, full scenes? What did you learn? cheers, Astrid! Lunargirl IP: Logged |
Twin Lady
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From: USA
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted August 20, 2003 03:51 PM
Welcome Astrid! IP: Logged |
sthenri
Knowflake Posts: 1125
From: New England US
Registered: May 2003
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posted August 20, 2003 10:59 PM
Hi Astrid!
I think we can't always know in advance how we will love, but we can look back, like you said with painful introspection. That's necessary to find out your own true motivations. The more you learn about yourself, the more you will learn from the relationship.You partner may have issues from his childhood he needs to talk about. With Neptune in the 12th, theses issues may haunt his dreams and waking hours. If he can use some creative method to express himself, his mind will turn to those around him. Neptune in the 12th can live in the imagination and need a lot of emotional love. You could encourage him to paint, take up music, dance, or enjoy some creative hobby with or without you, to harness that energy. To be tangible, an energy has to be harnessed, and then crystallized. It's always possible. He is constantly inspired but everyone does enjoy tangible forms of love, starting with enjoying the tactile senses, enjoying objects around us. He may feel blocked in his creative talents and in that case his imagination will be frustrated, instead of going from inspiration, to imagination to form. Good Luck, Natasha IP: Logged |
sthenri
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From: New England US
Registered: May 2003
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posted August 20, 2003 11:02 PM
BTW I can really see why you have a connection, your ascendant trines his Saturn, there is a long term relationship with many lessons. Plus you both have earth moons. Your Gemini ascendant is very attracted to his fire mars, and fire ascendant, and to the neptune in the 12th. That is a strong connection, Gemini ascendant to Sag ascendant.The connections so far are very positive. Natasha IP: Logged |
Astrid
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posted August 27, 2003 12:26 PM
Oh, Gosh. Thank you EVERYONE. I'm in tears reading all the replies. I'm touched that other people understand, (I mean REALLY understand). Thank Goodness. Lunargirl, I want to take you up on your offer to check out our charts, but is there a way I can email you our birth info? It's just out of respect for him / his privacy, not to offend anyone else on this site. I won't be long-winded or redundant. All I can say is that I could have written, verbatim, everything you wrote in response to me. And yes, over the course of 2 years, I have had visions/flashes into 2 past lives with him. Both times, something was in the way of being together, but it was (and is) a tie that refuses to be broken. I get comfort in knowing that even if we can't make a go of it this time. . .(and who knows, we're in our late 30's, early 40's. . who's to say what may become in our 50's or 60's--we're 2 scorps for God's sake, end of life stuff is our forte!), I at least know there's a tie there. Our love, both times that I'm aware of and have recalled, was as forbidden and passionate as Romeo and Juliet's. Tragic. All the above. I will never hurt him (I have, with words, but I have learned better), because we've been there, done that. The only thing I can do is feel love for him. Frustration, at times, yes. But the love is so much stronger. I'd love to email you our info, and happy to share on the boards what you find. I'd just rather the info not be posted. Hope you understand. IP: Logged |
Astrid
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Registered: Aug 2003
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posted August 27, 2003 12:40 PM
Hi Twin Lady and Natasha!
Natasha, yes! I have just begun studying astrology, but I do know, at least I think this is correct; that Gemini (my asc) rules his 7th house of relationships and Sag (his asc) rules mine. That is a huge and strong placement for partners, right?
Yes, I think that Neptune of his hitting my sun (and that's a double whammy for us) makes each of us not fully know where the other is coming from. And add to that the totally private nature of him. . . communication is very blocked. He's creative, but again, has this retrograde venus in the 12th. He seems to be more attracted to women he can't have. He's more comfortable with that arrangement. *I am single, BTW, but was separated when we met. It's my belief that his soul is troubled from someone who broke his heart long long ago, past lives and/or early this life. And now he seems to be happiest alone. (which is not to say he doesn't have lonely moments, because he has a great emotional need to be loved, this I know). Has anyone ever read , "Karmic Astrology: Retrogrades and Reincarnation", by Martin Shulman? I picked it up after having struggled with why a "relationship" (conventional) has not materialized between us, and after having scenes from past lives drift before my eyes. I just had to understand. The book nailed him to the penney. And now I have utter compassion. It's not easy being me, wanting to love this man, and having him close the door on it. HOwever, it's even more challenging for him to be him. So with that, I just love him in any way he can accept it. Maybe I'm delusional, hoping one day he'll trust me. That I don't have any ulterior motives other than to get it right this time. :-D IP: Logged |
Lunargirl
Knowflake Posts: 1513
From: south of utopia
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted August 28, 2003 02:15 PM
Hi Astrid,Ah, so you and I know similar songs... aha.  I'm very sorry, but I'm not comfortable giving out my email on a message board -- that's why I suggested Astro.com, where you could enter your data privately, do a synastry chart, then cut and paste the aspects back here, in a non-identifying way. But if you like, you could also just post _limited_ birth data -- date, and time. It won't be a fully accurate chart, but major trends would show. I used to have the Schulman book you mention (ha! loaned it to a friend with a karmic relationship, and...  ), but think you would get a lot out of another of his books -- called "Karmic Relationships". Two others I found useful are: "Astrology and Past Lives" by Mary Devlin (ParaResearch), and "The Astrology of Human Relationships" by Frances Sakoian and Louis S. Acker (Perennial/Harper&Row). The latter is not about karmic relationships per se, yet provides delineations for all major aspects. There are several excellent astrologers who post on Lindaland... some of whom post their email addresses... perhaps you can work out something with them. You might reach them quicker if you post your request in the Astrology Forum, in that case. I know some Venus Rx, and they seem to need a huge amount of love... and then they don't believe in it, or it's never enough to fill their huge need, or they treat the loved one poorly in return... perhaps they are really angry at God, and just unaware of the breach, and so they personalize their anger in human relationships. It's a shame because the Venus Rx I have known are talented, special people with a lot to give, but they set many conditions on love, then come up disappointed. Nothing, and nobody is good enough -- it's self-UNfulfilling. It's painful, as they feel very alone, and it's hard to watch them do this. If your dear friend has Venus Rx, your relationship with him through the ages cannot be its only cause -- he has free will, and has also made choices through time. I send you a big hug, Astrid. Meantime I'll take a closer look at the info that you provided in your first post and see if I can come up with anything. Lunargirl IP: Logged |
Astrid
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posted August 30, 2003 07:43 PM
Hi Lunargirl,
Thank you for the hug. That's perfectly okay, I understand not wanting to post an email address. *And, I will check out the forum. However, I can provide the aspects:
I need to do it in 2 messages. Here's his:(edited) IP: Logged |
Astrid
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Registered: Aug 2003
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posted August 30, 2003 07:49 PM
Here's mine:(edited)
Oh, yea. I forgot to mention that his Node sits right on my Jupiter.
Thanks for lookin' at it. I love what you said about Rx Venus. You are correct. There is a great need there. And it looks like you and I have had the lovely experience of wanting to pour love on our Rx Venus', but they didn't want it. sigh.
Really, I'd love any insight if anyone can offer suggestions. Any help on how to lovingly release him. . . again. It's not easy. When you let go your Venus Rx, did that freak him out and make him come a little closer? Only to end up pushing you away again? Frustrating. I do feel compassion for him, though. It must be a painful way to live.
Thanks again.
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Lunargirl
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From: south of utopia
Registered: Mar 2003
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posted September 03, 2003 11:36 PM
Hi Astrid,just wanted to say I'll probably have time soon to take a look at the data. Hope someone else will have something to offer you before then! cheers.
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Astrid
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posted September 04, 2003 04:37 PM
Hi Lunargirl,
Tks!!
Sigh. . .the saga continues.
He is no good for me.
I guess I've just decided that this (other than with that of my ex husband) is the utterly most complicated relationship I've ever been part of.But I have to let this man go. It's always been a fairly easy thing for me to do b4, if I could see it was not going to go anywhere. My life was alot less complicated before he came along.
I need to get back to that. I wish I could just "delete file" like on a computer. lol But it's not easy.
I'll take all the prayers I can get.
Thank you!!
Astrid *I guess one consolation would be if someone could see what the lesson is here. (by the charts). His Saturn squares about everything in my chart. And his Mars squares my sun. I don't think within a great orb, but still, the planets are indicative of something, aren't they?
Thanks for your help. :-) IP: Logged | |
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