posted December 08, 2003 12:46 AM         

GOTTA KNOW!!!

.gloria

posted December 09, 2003 01:13 PM         

Did you ever e-mail Lanny for his synastry chart? I really don't think that any one here wants the responsibility of saying "Hey that guy should be with you, not the other woman he is with". or that you want to hear someone here say to you "Oh they will never work out but the two of you are destined to be together"

Astrology doesn't work that way, but it does give insight into how two people may get along or what issues may spring up between them. Free will always dictates where the relationship will go or what a person will do.

Hi Randall,

Here is some background information. We tried to tackle this on the Astrology board:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001870.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001867.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001862.html

Maybe you can tease out what we all couldn't answer.

posted December 09, 2003 10:23 PM         

Yeah. I posted back to you to let you know I did email Lanny, immediately. Give all the info but as of yet, have not received response.

I'm not sure how I came across as to thinking astrology can define a relationship in finite terms... no no no...

Of course I'm not asking for that... I'm just saying hey, here's these charts, which looks better or whatever. Just need an objective opinion however it comes. It's better to get another opinion...

Even if it's not a complete picture offered, any bits and pieces of information is fine too. Whatever other hopes I came across as having probably has more to do with my sophmoric romantic mood lately.

Thanks for the links, I'll take a look at them and any other stuff ya wanna pass on!

Thanks!

.gloria

posted December 09, 2003 10:36 PM         

I'm the Libra...

Why???? (Waiting with bated breath)...

.gloria

posted December 10, 2003 12:36 PM         

Thanks for your posts.

I must say, another reason I ask is not because I feel like I am competing with this person. ON THE CONTRARY I wanted to be her friend 100% and SHE is the one who feels competitive with me. On my honor...

But I believe that we are here to meet certain people for certain reasons, and one way I study the patterns in my soul's progression in this lifetime is through astrology.

If I told you some of the patterns I've reveiled so far, you'd know what I mean. It's extremely interesting, especially from a psychoastrological point of view.

Well, as a matter of fact, I will post about that when I get back from school tonight!

Anyone else wannna contribute is fine!

Thanks,

.gloria

posted December 10, 2003 04:10 PM         

You asked:

"What do you all think of a guy: Taurus with Aquarius Moon and Leo Rising with a girl: Libra with Cancer Moon and Taurus Rising?
Or would he get along better with the Pisces with Cancer Moon and Capricorn Rising???"

That is setting up a competition. If you are asking to have your chart and the other ladies chart compared for friendship, well that is another question.

My gut tells me that you are still shopping for an astrologer to tell you that you are the one and that he will not stay with the other.

You still have not posted the guys full birth data. You can't judge a relationship on just a few aspects without the whole picture. Composite charts are fine, but they also only give a description of the relationship as an entity NOT what the two people bring to the relationship, that is synastry.

Right now, you do not HAVE a relationship so the composite can only be theory and is not totally being expressed.

Superficially, well Taurus and Pisces form a Sextile bond and will have an easier time understanding each other. It is true that Taurus and Libra are ruled by the same planet, but they do not form an aspect like Taurus and Pisces.

His Sun forms a sextile aspect to both of your moons.

His Aqua moon does not aspect your moon or her moon, but it does form a trine to your Sun. That is a good aspect and shows some empathy and a connection - but you have to also consider the other planets; Venus, Mars, Mercury and so on.

From your chart I can see that his Sun and moon forms many stresful aspects to other planets in your chart.

Taurus Sun opposes Scorpio Mercury, Mars and Neptune: Squares Uranus in Leo

Aqua Moon squares Scorp Mercury, Mars and Neptune: Opposes Uranus in Leo

In your readings, you really don't come across as the normally cool and patient Taurus rising, but I can see a Gemini rising which was pointed out to you by several other people because of your quest for information and how you remember your dreams.

posted December 10, 2003 06:00 PM         

Uranus in Leo is very stressful for me, Uranus is the sign of sexual attraction and there is a big one if the Venus, Mars and Ascendant are in fire signs but it's hard to move past that into a friendship. Taureans do not like to be taken for granted romantically and want to see the friendship.

I think there is no way you could not be his friend if that is what you are honestly seeking. You have to be honest with yourself and then with him, if that's not enough for you right now. Taureans really value that long term friendship. Don't compete with the Pisces but stay friendly.

posted December 10, 2003 06:11 PM         

But he would give in to his higher senses, meaning if he found you sexually attractive he would trust that he has found his mate. It's that simple for Taureans. If he does not find you sexually attractive then maybe he is repressed. You don't know, and probably will never know. If you don't know at this point if he is sexually attracted to you, then he isn't. Taureans need to feel safe sexually and I doubt he feels sexual about two women at the same time. If he's made a choice, he'll make it right away as soon as he feels anything and then go with that.

Taureans like stability in romance overall, and will choose the strongest romantic attraction and try to go with that. Over time they will learn things like compatibility, but younger Taureans just go with their first initial attraction and then try to make it work. They refuse to believe their feelings can change until they are much older.

I wouldn't try a seduction, just remember that not every Taurus is that sensitive or experienced in life, and it takes many years for the Taurus to mature into a rational human capable of accepting his/her emotions, and their changes.

Look at Hearst, he got married in his 70's to a teenage dancer. Very Taurean. Do you want to wait until he's 70? There are several other mature Taureans out there who are tested and tried and waiting for a romantic hand to hold.

Don't waste your romantic nature on anyone who isn't prepared. You are a Libra, and so you have a lot to give romantically.

Funny I had to choose between my Libra hubby and a Pisces best friend when I met him, and it was a bruiser. The Pisces nature is very jealous and suspicious of outside influences that may hurt their loved ones. They are protective. Either way I had to hurt someone but either way its' the same. Pisces and Libra are both protective of themselves and their loved ones. Try not to put him into a box because whoever does will be resented for years. Be as non jealous and non judgemental as possible. You can be assertive and friendly, and offer help around the house, he'd love that, but do not judge the Pisces!

posted December 10, 2003 09:53 PM         

Thanks both for the last few posts.

First, Pidaua... hope you read my post just before your's regarding "competition" and looking for patterns throughout my whole life. As for the part of your post you labeled "superficially", that's exactly the type of info I was hoping for, so thanks for that.

For Esthenri... although I'm trying to concentrate on the astrological dynamics, I'll go ahead and tell you the more personal points you brought up since it may help. Yes, we've been intimate. Yes, he fell in love with me hard. Yes, he was the one chasing me. Yes, I'm being non-jealous and non-possessive. Yes, SHE's the one BEING jealous & possessive.

So far, the advice I've received is the actions I've taken, including people who think I'm taking this too seriously, I'm not. It takes me 2 years to really decide if a "relationship" is right for me. But you can't get anyone's opinion unless you inquire, eh?

And no, I do not fall prey to any group or "poll" mentality, so I take everything with a grain of salt.

I feel comfortable around this Taurus guy maybe because he's not the typical Taurus, and yes, I probably have a lot of the Gemini Rising influence. But I'm thinking he's not typical because he's got the Aq Moon, a Merc in Gemini, and a Venus in Aries. Also, his Rising is damn close to being in Virgo, which calls to my Venus in Virgo.

I'm just enjoying all this conversation and coasting along here with those of you who appreciate astrology as well. So keep them coming!

I'll post next about the patterns thing I brought up. Just got home from school & need to chow down first.

Thanks...

.gloria

posted December 11, 2003 12:33 PM         

You allude to his planetary positions, but you won't post his birth information, so that makes it impossible to look at the synastry.

If his rising is not in Virgo, it is not in Virgo period. It is not calling out to your Venus which is in the 11th degree of Virgo unless his rising was in Virgo, not Leo.

Now let's take a look just at your Venus positions. They are totally different. His Venus is in a fire sign, which is going to show a much hotter kind of passion than the way Virgo Venus goes about looking for love.

His Venus squares your moon - sending it a vibration that is NOT comfortable. At the same time your Mars in Scorpio is doing a not so nice number on his Moon, Sun, and rising.

It doesn't matter how long it takes you to evaluate a relationship. If it is over it's over. If he is with another woman, then let him go.

And you DID set up the question as competitive. You may be wearing rose colored glasses and pretending you didn't but when you ask:

How will this guy do with this woman OR will he get along better with the other woman?

You are trying to see who it the best candidate. Why? Do you want this man back? Does he not want you now?

Natasha brought up a good point, you also have that Uranus in Leo singleton just going out of control. It comes across like you want to possess this guy and until you find someone to say "Hey, he is the one for you, you are better than the other", you will just keep asking again and again.

posted December 11, 2003 02:39 PM         

You're being totally hilarious...

If you are sincerely interested in his birth info, it's 5.14.74 @ 1:30pm Miami

I'll humor you...
No he's not married, No I'm not chasing him, No he's not the only guy in my life, and Yes, he'll always be my friend.

Since you have more experience with posts here, please do enlighten me as to how I should have posed my question so I will not cause anymore suffering.

My quest on a message board among people I cannot see and do not know are quite esoteric. If you want to say this guy is not right for me for whatever reason, or I'm totally wrong for him, I might consider it a done deal, but then again, I might not.

Still, anytime you respond with hard objective evidence in relation to what YOU know about astrology based on the information you have (like any good detective), I'm tickled pink.

posted December 11, 2003 03:24 PM         

I will say that the synastry between the two of you shows more tension than beneficial aspects.

I would get into it more, but you don't seem to care about what any one says. You ask, again and again, in a chaotic and sometimes irrational way, then you change directions and say that you don't really care, you understand him perfectly and you two have patterns that we just can't see.

So, I will leave you to your assumptions and maybe you can enlighten all of us on your patterns. Hey, maybe you are on to a whole new method of relationship astrology that utilizes new ways to interpret aspects? Who knows?

The number of posts does not translate to wisdom. I know people here that post once in a great while, but are very profound and direct in their words. It's the quality not the quantity that matters.

As far as how to phrase a post. I think I will let you figure that out on your own. You might be noticing that your current method does not seem to be working.

On a side note. I think it is interesting that he has Jupiter in his 7th house, which is in Pisces. I wonder if he current girlfriend sun conjuncts his Jupiter, as it surely falls into his 7th house.

posted December 11, 2003 11:12 PM         

Well, thanks, I will definately check to see about what you brought up, the 7th hs in Pisces and so forth. I'll look at that. Also appreciate what you "see" as far as more tension than beneficial aspects. Thanks for taking the time to actually look into it and respond.

Oh... about the patterns thing. It may help shed light on my quest. As for completely understanding my motives, I don't recommend anybody attempt to do that for it will only end in frustration. You've been forewarned.

Thanks again,

.gloria

posted December 11, 2003 11:40 PM         

Astrology is a great tool, one among many languages, to understand relationship dynamics.

So since I was a teenager, I've looked into the basic astrological charts of my dates. And so, if it's true there is such thing as a soulmate or souls we meet "over and over again" in order to work something through, it seems to help answer some questions.

For example: I've recently learned a TON here on this message board. Since I was in grade school I've always had this connection with Aquarius, and the people in my life usually have a strong Aquarius influence in their chart (EXCLUDING the houses here), and interesting to see it hop around in different planets.

There is something focal about Aquarius in my life, so it's something I keep my eye on. My South Node & Midheaven is in Aquarius.

A 15-year-long relationship I had was with an Aq with Taurus Moon, & Scorp Rising. He was the cats meow as far as I was concerned.
I've never been married, too afraid in a way, but also because I don't have the typical Spanish/Italian philosophy towards marriage. But it's just that I wanted it to happen on MY terms, not according to the family expectations. So my life's journey has been long and hard.

A girlfriend for a long time was Taurus with Moon in Gemini, and strong Aries & Aquarius influence.

The guy I've been hanging out with for some months is Taurus Sun, Aq Moon, Merc in Gemini & Venus in Aries... And wouldn't you know it, just like that Web site out there with photos of people grouped by Sun/Moon combinations, YOU CAN SEE SIMALARITIES! In their demeanor, their inflections, their beliefs, etc.

To me, this is what I mean by patterns. When you reach 40 years old, something really cool starts to happen. You get a rerun of all the people you knew, but in different bodies. You could almost swear they were the same person.

If you lived to be 1000 years old, you'd get that optimal "arial view" to actually stop seeing people as just people, and start seeing SOULS in their progression. So what lesson does someone with a strong Libra/Cancer/Taurus/Scorpio/Leo influence need to learn from a repetition of strong Aquarius/Taurus/Cancer/Aries/Gemini influenced people?

Only the book of life can tell.

But it's quite interesting to say the least, and really a great complement to other things I dabble in such as psychology, philosophy and spirituality. Talk about the big picture!! Thank God everything is relative...

.gloria

posted December 12, 2003 12:35 AM         

You are a Libra, correct? and I know Libras. you are super competitive and probably can't stand the Pisces. That's fine as long as you are happy with the way things stand. But if you want things to change you have to force others to change and that's tough. A Pisces does not really change, I find Pisces to be very strong minded.

It's a fight but you have to decide if it's worth it for you, not anyone else. Happiness and living well is more important than anyone else. If he's intimate with you, why worry about the Pisces? If you are willing to accept this situation, why worry? If you do worry about the Pisces, if he's busy with you, how can he have time for another woman? It's not physically possible....

You have to ask yourself if you want a sexual relationship at all, because Libras and Gemini risings like to be sexual in the mind, and are not as physically based. You may be able to go without but can he? Is there some other basic desire that the Pisces is fulfilling? If so don't worry about it because you don't want to do that, or do that. One or the other, because a Taurus is very physical especially with Venus in Aries, and you are a Libra with Venus in Virgo, physically he just may want more affection.

That's my take, having been involved with no less than three Libras/with Gemini risings with Venus in Virgo. They were not that physical at all after a while and the Taurus needs an initiator even a man. There is no way he will feel happy without that. Bottom line. It's good to know your limitations, and I have them too.

Some men are not looking for the she goddess, just a warm lap to sit in, as un esoteric as that is. If you are looking for someone a little more esoteric even Capricorn isn't that bad, but try Aquarians again because they are a really good match with Libras, or a fire sign.

My current Libra is like that, he's cold as ice, until I am threatening to leave him or hang out with my Pisces and Scorpio friends, then he's all warm and cuddly. Try being more outgoing and never be manipulative physically. Taureans take it very personally.

Natasha

posted December 12, 2003 12:46 AM         

Uranus in Leo can be very jealous and posessive almost to the point of obsessive jealousy, by denying that you are jealous you are in fact repressing that emotion to boil over at a later time probably when you do not want it to. Better to say, "Yes I am jealous, and I accept that emotion, and I love myself anyway" Say it ten times!

Uranus in Leo, Mercury and Neptune in Scorpio is very loving, but I have had one lover especially with that combo who was hyper obsessive and eventually it got out of control for him and I had to call the police and get a restraining order.
Not that I haven't been that way myself but it's very negative to feel frustrated romantically. It's not worth the aggravation when there could be a lovely Capricorn or Aquarius waiting for you. Aquas are a lot more graceful about love and a lot more considerate.

Taureans to be honest are not considerate lovers, they are not even good at treating those who they love well. Pisces are not known for their backtalk, a Taurus likes a compliant lover and likes to be the boss. This does not work unless the Libra has the upper hand financially, emotionally, physically, or if the Taurus is humbled in some way. Earth signs are naturally arrogant and have to be humbled by life experience.

But not by human interference, do not try to change fate, Gloria.

posted December 12, 2003 01:51 AM         

As always, your thoughts truly speak to me. I REPEATED YOUR MANTRA 10 TIMES...

I know it may be confusing to some people who wonder what the heck the deal is with this romantic inquiry.

Again, I have to stress... really really stress that I do not feel as if I am competing with the Pisces. If anything I'm just concerned because she didn't come across as honest to me, but I didn't tell my friend that because I just believe in letting things unfold on their own.

Maybe he'll need her so much he's willing to take her that way. You know? In which case, he'll always be my friend, but perhaps he feels he deserves that romantically. It's never simple...

But I'm not going to try to interfere with anything or change anyone's mind! I haven't and I won't, and in fact he was trying to egg me on to reveal my thoughts on her, and I didn't. That drove him crazy because he respects my opinion a great deal.

I guess if anything sounds like competition, which it's not, it's the fact that she would not put up with he and I hanging together anymore, even as friends. I'm NOT the type of girl who will enable a cheater. If he's dedicated to her, any man for that matter being married or dedicated, I've NEVER in my life gotten involved in a mess like that. It's a HUGE rule with me.

Honestly, he probably wouldn't trust HIMSELF around me more than anything. But bottom line, if he gets really serious with her, I lose a really good friendship with someone I really felt extremely comfortable with. That's the real sad part. But I will have no regrets or try to change WHAT IS. It only means it wasn't meant to be, and I've already thought of the ramifications.

Just cannot help but still be concerned for him. I COULD be one of those bitter b*t*h*s and believe something like "they deserve each other" but I've never been like that either. In fact, I usually take the woman's side, UNLESS I find she's been deceiptful.

No catfights in my history at all. I love women too.

Natasha, I'm so happy to read your experiences with people similar to me and so forth. I have such a complicated chart. For example, I'm not quite as "cool" as your Libra friend in the bed cuz I have Mars in Scorp. It's completely true that my errogenous zone is the brain, and what turns me on more than anything is the person's mind.

But I could literally go at it 24/7. I just have higher goals to keep me out of trouble (hee hee)...

As for obession, I do tend to focus on something until I feel at peace with it, but mostly because I have to know the why's. That was my downfall when I was younger. Now I've given a lot of that up to Spirit, and keep my faith high.

But I DID repeat the mantra you gave me 10 times OUT LOUD! The last piece of advice a really close girlfriend of mine gave me last week regarding my state was that I need to start admitting to myself that I want to be married. That's the same as acknowledging your mantra.

Funny thing about my guy friend, he too has trouble accepting that "jealous" part of himself. It's almost a beautiful symphony when you think about it...

Thanks...

.gloria

posted December 12, 2003 02:51 PM         

Please, if you don't mind, can I see your birth info? You are Taurus with Aq Moon, Merc Gemini, and Venus Aries just like my guy friend?

THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES!!!

.gloria

posted December 12, 2003 10:14 PM         

Really, Taurus is the most mixed up sign, romantically in the zodiac. All the poets are Taurean types sure but it's because they are so mixed up about their feelings. They never figure out their own motivations, and when they do they need to act on it right away leaving everyone else confused and hurt.

I have walked on many Libra and Pisces toes. I would be very honest with your Taurus friend because Taureans need honesty. They may not value it all the time, but it's what they need. Something Scorpios have lots of.

posted December 12, 2003 11:41 PM         

OK...

And I've always been very honest with my guy friend. You know... when you meet someone that you just feel totally comfortable with and there's no need to hide a thing...

But thanks for reminding me how perhaps I need to be a little more willing to talk about things. I know when I was a little too quiet or needed time to digest something, it kind of made him wonder.

Thanks,

.gloria