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miss_muffet
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posted March 18, 2004 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_muffet     Edit/Delete Message
My make-up:
Sun: Aries
Moon: Taurus
Asc: Scorpio

1st Man:
Sun: Sagittarius
Moon: Virgo
Asc: Aquarius

2nd Man:
Sun: Pisces
Moon: Sagittarius
Asc: Gemini

Who should prevail? I get along with both except that the 2nd man seem to intrigue me more because he has quite a roving eye and exciting schedule. First guy is very stable and reliable but getting a bit boring.

Help and guidance appreciated.

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astro junkie
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posted March 18, 2004 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
Rule of life:

If you cannot decide between two guys, it's neither...

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FishKitten
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posted March 18, 2004 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FishKitten     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Miss_Muffet. Welcome to Lindaland! Pisces Sun with Gemini Rising? No wonder that dude is exciting. There are at least 4 people wrapped up in his skin!

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Randall
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posted March 18, 2004 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome!

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miss_muffet
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posted March 18, 2004 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_muffet     Edit/Delete Message
My birth chart:
Sun: Aries
Asc: Scorpio
Moon: Taurus
Venus: Pisces
Mars: Taurus

2nd guy's chart:
Sun: Pisces
Asc: Gemini
Moon: Sagittarius
Mars: Leo
Venus: Aquarius

I have been committed to guy 1 for a while now until I met guy 2.

I have always prided myself for being level headed, but for some unknown reason, he seem to have the power to turn my world upside down.

In my heart I know that he is no good for me because all he wants to do is to have some fun. Which is why I don't understand why I'm feeling so confused.

Is there anything in his chart and mine that would indicate why this is so?

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sthenri
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posted March 18, 2004 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Post exact birthdates, and places of birth if you can, it's hard to give an answer based on this. If you are excited by one, why are you with the other? Is he just a friend? it's a good idea to recheck boundaries, decide who's a friend, who's a possible lover, and what you expect.

Natasha
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miss_muffet
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posted March 18, 2004 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_muffet     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for your reply. I'm new to this so here goes the dates:

My Birthday: March 31 1968 8:20 pm
Birthplace: Manila Philippines

His Birthday: March 16 1963 9:47 am
Birthplace: Toronto Ontario

Thank you again.

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sthenri
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posted March 19, 2004 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
miss muffet, you have a Scorpio ascendant and an Aries Sun, you must be passionate! are you also a night person? With your Taurus Moon and Mars you are very physical and need lots of affectionate expression from your partner. A cold partner will leave you cold:> I got some of your information from astro.com

Here is a bit of your forecast so you know what's going on with you first:

"Jupiter trine Moon: With little effort

7 April 2004 until 3 June 2004: Usually you will feel very good with this influence, quite optimistic and generous. You will be concerned about the welfare of those around you and will want to protect the people you love. At this time you will attract favorable circumstances and resources with little effort, which will seem very pleasant now. But you should not expect this to keep on happening indefinitely. In particular, people may come after you to meet you for some reason, and these people could be quite beneficial to you in business or personal affairs. Regardless of your own sex, you may very well benefit from women during this time.

In some people this influence may stimulate an interest in religious and spiritual thought, but your views would be more strongly concerned with ethics and morality than with a more mystical approach to religion.

At the very least you can expect to feel quite good at this time, and even if nothing tremendous comes out of it, you will have a feeling of satisfaction and of being at peace with yourself."

Okay, your 5th house of pleasure is Pisces, the sun sign of your love interest. That says that you are physically drawn to Pisces and Venus in Pisces. So that's where the attraction fits in. He may be your romantic soulmate but what about your mind and heart?

You have a very exciting Singleton, that is one planet only in Water-Neptune in Scorpio. You appear to be Neptunian, very Piscean in your interests and you would share creative interests with those you are romantic with. So you are looking for a man with Neptunian interests-Pisces would fit for you, or Sag which is also ruled partly by Neptune. Do not date drinkers, or drink too much yourself. This makes you glamorous and exciting to the opposite sex.

You are very much in demand, even if you don't know it, and inspire long lasting admiration, but as much daily give and take as you would like.

Use that energy to your advantage in your work. Other Neptunian pursuits will be where you meet men who you are attracted to and vice versa. Pisces rules land, water, real estate ventures, glamour occupations, and partly, law, philosophy, higher education, spirituality, charity work. Be sure your partner is emotionally stable as well as glamorous and exciting and tells the truth.

You may want to develop a system so that you can tell whether or not your loved ones are less than honest with you, because they may want to please you by refining the truth to seem more lovely and less ugly to you. Encourage honesty.

Be honest with yourself at all times.
There are many good resources on the web to examine your singleton.

You are naturally charming, and expressive. You prefer direct expression, and you will want to hold back a little before stating how you feel. Remember others may feel overwhelmed who have a little less fire. Jupiter in Leo gives you a direct, strong, assertive approach in love, which can be difficult for less assertive types. Give each loved one time, around 2 months to develop.

This wil allow your object of affection, time to figure you out. You are worried about being alone, don't be. Be patient and stay firm to what you want, this is an attractive quality. There is a diference between being strong and being assertive, practice saying what you want to your friends, and then say this to your loved one.

You may be afraid to be assertive about what you want, deep down. Do not be afraid, or timid, because you are attractive because of your ability to be yourself.

I can see why you do are torn between two men, your passions cannot be divided easily. Better to concetrate on one at a time, with confidence. If you cannot pursue on with a whole mind, then choose another. You need a partner who you can love and devote yourself to you. The partner must be able to handle your depths and passions.

I am not sure if a Pisces with Gemini rising wants this. Other Gemini risings such as Gloria can give you insights, be sure to read her posts.

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sthenri
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posted March 19, 2004 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
miss muffet, Love and devotion is important to you, but you may not want to show it. Venus is opposite Uranus so unconventional love affairs and people appeal to you, don't get bored.

Sun Conjunct Saturn   

Because you take life fairly seriously, you have a special capacity for intensity in love.

You must be very sure that your lover is at the same level of involvement, so that you can avoid unintentional emotional injury.

You may be happiest with a lover who is a little less serious than you, who can shine a light of cheerfulness and merriment when you are feeling down.

If a love affair does not work out, you should take care to avoid bitterness or harsh words. Better to part ways with a sad smile and move on to something new.

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sthenri
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posted March 19, 2004 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Here are some of the aspects of a composite between you and Mr. Pisces. A composite is different than a synastry report. I find it more accurate.

Sun in the Eighth House

Composite Sun in the eighth house may give the two of you a feeling of "fatedness," that this relationship is going to play an important role in your lives, even if it is not a long-term relationship.

You will be exposed to the most basic and profound aspects of your own and your partner's inner nature. Both of you will experience psychological changes through this relationship.

In a sexual relationship, physical sex assumes an unusual importance. Sex is likely to be seen by both of you as an experience that transcends ordinary reality.

The eighth house is also the house of joint resources and property. This position can give the two of you a strong drive to acquire material possessions. Here again it is necessary not to overdo this emphasis. Emotional needs are actually more important than possessions.

Moon in the Sixth House

The sixth house is a rather serious placement for the composite Moon. It suggests that you have a sense of having come together for a specific and necessary task or purpose that may not be completely pleasant. One of you may feel subordinated to the other in some way. Therefore, this is a difficult placement for any relationship that requires you to give and take equally, as most relationships do.

The only way to make this position work is for the two of you to exchange services equally, thus preventing it from becoming a one-way affair.

A related danger is that if one of you is giving more to the relationship emotionally than the other, you could become quite resentful about it.

Whatever the costs, you both must strive to be more nearly equal in giving and receiving.

Moon Opposition Ascendant

Like all Moon-Ascendant aspects, this one indicates a very strongly emotional relationship.

This is a sign of two people who can feel as one, who may at times totally transcend the feeling of separateness that usually exists between two people.

You must watch for subjectivity in a personal relationship. There is a fine line between feeling a strong emotional affinity, on one hand, and relating so emotionally that the intellect is completely sacrificed, on the other. This is most troublesome when other factors bring about difficulties, for then it is necessary to see clearly in order to do what must be done. If this problem can be transcended, however, this aspect is excellent for all kinds of personal relationships.

Venus in the Seventh House

Composite Venus in the seventh house is a good indication that this is a personal relationship based to a considerable extent on affection. There may be other reasons for this relationship, but love is certainly one of the most important.

You will have a strong sense of shared emotion and feeling and a great need to share your experiences.

The only danger that you should watch for with this position is that you may tend to be too accommodating; that is, you will try to agree with each other even when one of you has a legitimate grievance. If you do this too often, eventually the friendly atmosphere wears thin, and all kinds of resentments boil out. Do not let your desire for peace and harmony prevent you from confronting important issues.

Venus Opposition Ascendant

The opposition of composite Venus and Ascendant signifies the possibility of a partnership of real love, one of the best to have in the composite chart of a love relationship or marriage. It can pull a relationship through the worst situations that can occur.

Regardless of why you have come together, this aspect will produce a love relationship between you. The two of you feel that you complement each other in some definite but indefinable way.

Your differences do not create barriers between you but allow you to work together in life. Each one has what the other lacks and need

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sthenri
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posted March 19, 2004 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
now these aspects are going to sound more negative because they are about stress in your relationship. You may be looking for that kind of passionate tension though! you do need passion.
miss muffet you have Neptune conjunct your ascendant which make you even more attractive to Pisces, an Neptunian men. Remember it also causes a loss of identity.

Saturn in the Seventh House    7th hs

Saturn, the planet of separation and repression, in the seventh, the house of marriage, might seem to be absolutely fatal to such a relationship, but it is not. Saturn here is quite compatible with any kind of relationship, although it does create certain problems.

On the one hand, it can bind the two of you together, because it signifies that together you will have to face certain difficulties and responsibilities. You are tied to each other by duties, obligations, and responsibilities, in addition to any feelings of affection that you may have. In fact, the seventh-house Saturn can tie two people together even when they want to split up.

But this placement can also signify that under some circumstances there will be no relationship at all between you.

Saturn in the Composite Horoscope
Mercury Conjunct Saturn   

Mercury conjunct Saturn in the composite chart has great potential and also great dangers. Both possibilities are equally likely, and the two of you will have to choose your own course.

Saturn is the principle of limitation and discipline. At its worst, it can have a narrowing and inhibiting effect upon anything it is connected with - in this case, thought and consciousness as symbolized by Mercury. With this aspect, the attitudes and opinions that you hold jointly about the outside world and about yourselves can become fixed and rigid. As a result, you could fall into ritualized games and patterns of behavior that gradually have less and less connection with reality. While you are standing still, reality is changing.

This aspect is not good for successful intuitive communication, so say what you mean. If as a couple you can do these things, you should be able to reap the benefits of this aspect.

The positive side of this aspect is that your communication with each other should have a great deal of form and discipline. You are able to plan for the future more effectively than most, because you consider every possibility. Together you plan very carefully, thoroughly, and methodically.

Saturn Opposition Pluto   

If the opposition of composite Saturn and Pluto is strongly placed, it can create a great deal of tension between the two of you, which will be expressed as rather explosive outbursts of feeling and passion.

Both of you are constantly changing, slowly but powerfully, but you operate in such a way that it is difficult to let the changes happen. The result is that they happen all at once in a cataclysmic way rather than expressing themselves gradually.

Finally, when the pressure gets too great, you blow up, not to change your partner but to let off the powerful feelings stored up inside you.

If either of you is rigid, you must learn not to be. Do not wait until the pressure is so great that you can't handle the matter easily.

Saturn Opposition Uranus   

The opposition of composite Saturn and Uranus can be quite difficult for a relationship. It implies a state of tension arising from the fact that one of you feels that the other puts a complete clamp on his or her style, while the restrictive partner experiences the first one as a disruptive force. Add to this your great difficulty in communicating with each other, so that pressures are not released, and you have an explosive situation.

This problem causes many such relationships to end suddenly and without warning. It is clearly a situation in which the only solution is to learn to let off steam gradually. Talk frequently about what is going on between you and try to be as honest as possible. Your principal aim should be to state the truth accurately, not to score points over each other.

Mars Square Saturn   

The square of Mars and Saturn indicates that the two of you are working at cross purposes. But this aspect does not often give rise to open warfare. Usually it produces negative feelings that seethe below the surface without ever coming out into the open. Occasionally your feelings will go past the boiling point, however, and there will be a big explosion of angry words between you.

With this aspect in your composite chart, you obviously have work to do. First of all, you must open the channels of communication between you. Say exactly what is on your mind and try not to express irritation in little cutting remarks.

In a sexual relationship, this aspect often creates differences of timing. One of you will always be in a different mood from the other, and both of you will insist on what you want when you want it. Obviously someone has to give, and that will be difficult in this case.


Jupiter Square Saturn   

The square of Jupiter and Saturn in the composite chart indicates that the two of you have some difficulty in reaching a balance between optimism and idealism on the one hand, practicality and/or pessimism on the other. Most likely this will manifest itself as great swings of feeling and mood when you are together. Sometimes you will be very positive and optimistic about your relationship, while at other times you will doubt that you can ever make it work.

One of the factors behind this problem may be that one of you sees the other as a wet blanket who continually dampens enthusiasm and spontaneous self-expression.

You both must try to be more patient with each other, for impatience is also one of the problems created by this aspect. Whenever your mood begins to change for the worse, you should sit down together and try to find out what is causing this situation.

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Saturn Trine Neptune   

The trine of composite Saturn and Neptune produces austerity of self-expression, self- denial, and even asceticism. With this aspect prominent in the chart, it is unlikely that the two of you have formed a relationship purely for pleasure. More likely you have come together with some higher purpose in mind, something involving discipline and working toward an ideal. You may even have come together to pursue a spiritual purpose. But even if the task is of a business or professional nature, the two of you will work very hard to attain your purpose and will indulge yourselves very little. Work and discipline themselves may be the ideal toward which you strive.

Uranus in the First House    1st hs

With Uranus in the first house of the composite chart, your relationship will have a strong drive for freedom of expression. At the very least it will be a highly individualistic one.

It may be that this relationship will begin very suddenly. Or perhaps the two of you would not ordinarily be expected to come together. In either case, being together will have a revolutionary effect on both of you. It will reveal aspects of yourselves that you never even knew existed.

The danger of this placement is that you, or those around you, will try to make this relationship conform to established patterns of behavior. This usually triggers the negative side of Uranus, which results in instability and unconventionality for its own sake.

Only if the two of you are willing to approach this experience with a totally open mind, free of expectations, will you get the maximum benefit from it. That benefit will be a challenging experience that will enable you to grow and expand your consciousness for as long as the relationship lasts.

Pluto in the First House    1st hs

Pluto in the first house of a composite chart indicates that this relationship exists with the intention of making changes in the surrounding world.

It may be that you want to bring about some kind of reform, or it may simply be that you want to have the power to affect your environment strongly. When Pluto's energies get too strong, they tend to provoke strong antagonism in others, who will turn against you and try to bring down your efforts.

This energy can also be something that transforms both of you. Pluto rules major psychological transformations, those that are related to psychotherapy. A relationship with this placement often brings about major changes in you, much like those induced in therapy. In other words, this relationship is likely to have a very powerful effect on both of you.

Moon Square Neptune   

Be very careful if you have the square of Moon and Neptune in your composite horoscope. This aspect creates a great danger that one or both of you will deceive yourselves or each other, either about the nature of the relationship or about outside matters that affect it. It can produce a situation in which one of you has come to "help" the other with a very difficult psychological problem, such as alcohol or drugs. But with a Moon-Neptune square, the so-called helper is often motivated by the desire to escape from some personal problem by relating to someone whose problems appear to be worse.

The relationship may also take on a very unreal idealistic tone, with the two of you creating beautiful illusions about yourselves and each other.

Disappointment of one's ideals is perhaps the greatest danger presented by this aspect. Its negative effects can be prevented only by the most hard-nosed, pragmatic, and practical evaluation of the relationship. And unfortunately, that is the very thing that the Moon-Neptune energy tends to block.

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Moon Trine Mars   

The trine of composite Moon and composite Mars is a sign that the two of you have a great emotional involvement in this relationship. This would not be a very good aspect for a professional relationship that required mutual feelings of detachment. The combination of the Moon and Mars, even in a trine, implies that the feelings evoked are strong enough to make the relationship extremely subjective and personal.

This aspect acts most positively in a love relationship, where it can make an otherwise quiet and subdued affair into something much more emotionally rich and involving. Also, in a sexual relationship, the energy of the Moon combined with Mars helps to stimulate physical sexuality.

One point must be kept in mind, however, and that is that neither of you must repress the other. If held in too long, the energy of this trine would probably come out in an explosive way.

Jupiter Square Uranus   

The square of Jupiter and Uranus in the composite chart means that in this relationship you must give each other a lot of room. It is not a favorable aspect if one of you wants to "possess" the other in some way and limit his or her freedom. If you try to do this, your partner will break away in order to avoid being confined.

Mars Square Uranus   

A personal relationship with this aspect is most likely to be successful if you have few expectations for it. With the square of Mars and Uranus in your composite chart, the two of you are especially impatient of objectives that "must" be attained. This relationship will take its own course.

Mars Square Pluto   

The square of Mars and Pluto in a composite chart requires some care and consideration within a relationship. Ego forces run high between you, because something about your interaction makes you constantly challenge each other.

Mercury Square Mars   

Mercury square Mars can be quite difficult in a composite chart unless you both are willing to make a concerted effort to overcome its effects. By itself, this aspect can indicate a great deal of verbal arguments and fighting between you. You may even reach the point of fighting purely for the sake of fighting, rather than for some real issue.

All in all I would say a relationship with a lot of explosive passionate energy, and one which will need time and space. One or both of you will need to on your own a majority of the time, and both must not be proud or talk down to the other. This is an unusual unconventional relationship, but could result in marriage if marriage itself is important to both partners and if they share work and activities with the same people.

miss muffet you have a very passionate chart, you would be bored with anyone who is conventional.

Please keep reading about your singleton.
Passionate devotion and marriage at some point is important to you with Juno in Scorpio, but your North Node is in the 6th in Aries-credit for your work must be fulfilled first.

Take Care,
Natasha
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miss_muffet
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posted March 19, 2004 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_muffet     Edit/Delete Message
Wow!

That explains a lot for me... Thank you so much for shedding such great insight into my personality and our relationship. You are absolutely right. In my heart I know that the Pisces guy is not going to provide me with the stability and honesty I crave and want.

I owe you so much!! Thank you again.

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sthenri
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posted March 19, 2004 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Anytime,

Take Care,
Miss Muffet

Natasha
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lioneye68
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posted March 19, 2004 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioneye68     Edit/Delete Message
Natasha...you truly rock the casba. You missed your calling I think. Well, you didn't miss it really, cuz you're hitting it here and now, Bay-bee!

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