posted July 28, 2004 02:50 AM         

I was going through some of the posts in the past...and there was something purplezen said...you were talking bout your ex (leo) and how he lives in a different city now..and that he had just e-mailed you apologizing for hurting you..and you said that you see him in ur dreams all the time. this post was made a long time ago...so i cant find it. but Astro junkie you replied and you said that the leo was her soul mate (or something like that) and that she will find her soulmate..and he will be like her ex leo..like her soulmate will have the same qualites as the leo.
and when you said it you sounded so sure of it.
If you remember that..i was wondring if you can explain that better..cause now there is whole bunch of questions in my mind bout that now.

I dont quite get it. Because she feels so close to him and see him in her dreams all the time it could mean that she will find her soulmate and he will have the same qualites as the leo? you sound so sure of it when you said it and i just want to know why.

posted July 28, 2004 04:29 AM         

And I know what you're feeling towards this teacher as well, and I told you a while back to be careful not to place him on such a high pedestal. As long as you make sure you have that in check, then you too can know that the qualities of this man's Spirit or Soul will be kind of a running theme you'll notice in others. Like you will be talking to someone else and be like, hey! They remind me a little bit of so-and-so.

But remember, this is on a very sacred spiritual level. Not something you will ever dissect to your satisfaction, but rather, a ride you're on, whether you like it or not. So might as well try to sit back and take it easy. Know what I mean?

posted July 28, 2004 04:49 AM         

"we get to share various spectrum's of God's ways. But none of us holds ALL of them at the same time. We evolve. So you're beginning to lock into this man's special spectrum, the one he's been gifted with by a higher power. Remember that"

if you can explain that a little more. espeicially the part when you said im locked into this spectrum.

and by the way....im not obsessed with him..if thats what your saying. i think i was a little bit..thinking too much into things and worrying how i act.
I've had some time to myself to think...so its not like that anymore.
the only thing is..i never met anyone like him. its hard to describe. you would know what I mean if you met him.

posted July 28, 2004 09:36 AM         

Virgo's tend to ruminate too much, and just practice stopping short, so you can assure yourself everything is going to be OK, regardless of whether or not you think too much about it.

posted July 28, 2004 05:06 PM         

I'm a female (26) sag - 5th house/moon in aries-12th house/ascendant in leo/venus in sag, ceres in sagittarius, pallas in scorpio, neptune in sagittarius, venus in sagittarius - all in 4th house so you can get a picture of how ahh, people may think I'm "unattached/aloof" when it comes to expressing feelings. IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME - I mean, if no-one ever asked before, how does an adult jump into being asked now? By being exposed to a spiritual experience where you have to, of course. I'm just all over the place and don't know how to work well with others. Too serious and I tend to back up. HONESTLY. So, I see this "unusual" attraction as a way to experience what it is to work as a team which I'm still working on - you know me, you can keep knocking but you can't come in unless i open the door. I can hear you banging, screaming, calling my name but I can't be bothered - it's really a self-confidence, determination, business as usual thing with me who has been dealing with it by myself since forever - what's someone else want to know about it now for?! lol

anyway - this was just to agree with you on your assessment of the soul mate situation. Virgo - hang in there, it can be very very hectic at times but please - whatever reason you think it is that you are with him (I mean - I can't blame your thinking - I was convinced at one time it was for "love" and physical "partnership", "marriage" and all of that which made me extremely nervous - ALL OF THE TIME) but trust, if you can't successfully get through this WITHOUT trying to dissect this situation to your satisfaction (which is VERY much an add-on as far as aggrevation is concerned) you'll lose your self (identity to the point where you are like - who am I - I forgot) and your every being will feel like you are being bitten by snapping turtles and if you didn't know - the more you try to pull a bitten finger from a snapping turtle, the harder he pulls.

Anyway - hang in there. Again, thanks so much Astro-Junkie and Virgo.

posted July 28, 2004 07:02 PM         

Thank you for the kind words.

Another thing you and Virgo should remember, as well as I should continue reminding myself, the things we project onto others are really things about ourselves.

Logically, we can talk ourselves out of that fact quite easily. But try separating yourself from your thoughts of the one you're focusing on... not so easy ... do you see?

Everything is perception. A group of people could be standing around watching something, and each person will have a different rendition of what happened. Their renditions will be based on their BELIEFS.

Amisha - I have trouble connecting with people, and so far I've found this can be influenced by a Moon opposing Saturn, for one. I'm a Libra with Cancer Moon, Saturn (and Jupiter) in Capricorn.

Do you have any planets in Capricorn? It can have a very melancholic affect sometimes.

.gloria

posted July 28, 2004 07:05 PM         

You are awesome!! I am going to copy this and paste it to my forehead!!
It helps deflate a situation where there is the potential to put a human being on a pedestal.

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!!!!! Beautiful, absolutely beautiful (and so, so true!!!!!) People are here to teach us. I find it "cute" in an ironic sort of way that virgo's teacher has this effect on her. Because the teacher IS just that!!

posted July 28, 2004 07:10 PM         

be grateful for your cancer moon. It's exhalted in that sign. It's real difficult to have moon in cap.

I know a few that do, and wow, at times (and these are dear friends and even family members) they can lack compassion and empathy.

My ex b'friend has cancer moon in the 7th and venus in Aq., and Jupiter and Saturn in Cap. And yes, he can fall in love (pisces sun) in a flash of brilliance, and grow cold after a very short time. He's a heartbreaker!!

posted July 30, 2004 10:09 AM         

Since I'm gay, I have to say that Plato's 'creation' of the idea of the soulmate in the 'Symposium' is an interesting one for me. Some 2 person groups are either male/male or female/female (well, it's implied, since unfortunately females weren't discussed very often in those days) and some are male/female.

I've read the idea of people switching genders and respective sexualities in-between lifetimes. For example, one time around they may both be straight and male/female, another, they may be gay and female/female, and another, they may be straight and both of the same physical gender.

So, I guess another thing that could make things a bit easier is to think that maybe your soulmate or twin flame this time around is of a sex that you don't prefer to see in a romantic way...

Or perhaps that makes things just a tad more confusing!

But as far as this current guy that I'm interested in is concerned, I've never felt this way for anyone I've ever met...and I've fallen for quite a few people with Cancer rising and a Pisces moon! This one "feels" really different to me for some reason, and in both good and bad ways.

Other times, the love interest didn't really seem to have anything remarkable (at least off the bat) to "teach" me...they might have been physically attractive, mentally stimulating, just compatible in general, but nothing too major. With this one, it's all that plus a magnetic and, in my opinion, significant spiritual connection (and since both my Pisces moon and his Libra moon are in the 9th house, I don't think that's a coincidence), along with everything else.

I can't seem to say this enough, but when I first "met" him online, I felt as if this was "the One" that's been spoken of so often in recent romantic discourse. I don't know why, I just felt it...from the very first second I met him, I felt that I was getting the "utz in my stomach"...bizzare, electrifying and reassuring all at the same time.

But unfortunately, with the way things seem to be at the moment (communication's been very very sketchy within the past month between us), I am starting to doubt my intuition, which may be the sign that I shouldn't be doubting in the first place!

Although I am fully aware of the effect this connection with him is having on me, he doesn't know at all--I've started meditating regularly again, I've written much more recently than I have in years, and I've taken a look at parts and pieces of myself that I desire to either integrate or release. He doesn't know that at all...if anything, he opens up to me and tells me about what's going on in his life. It may be a mere coincidence (but since I don't believe in coincidences and prefer to believe in synchronicity) but it seemed that my approval and perception of him as a "catch" was a bit of a trigger (but not the reason) for him breaking up with his boyfriend, which sounded like an ineffectual and basically incompatible union from the beginning, for all of its approximately 3 months--I wouldn't know if I even factored into that equation in the slightest, but I think I may have, even minutely.

Anyway, the whole matter has been extremely draining so far, because of the amount of inner work I have been forced to do and the amount of introspection (which is normally high usually) that I felt compelled to do out of respect for both involved.

At the moment, I'm trying to put him on the backburner, so to speak, but it's been very difficult and I've only have had limited success so far. I am going to try and send him a neutral e-card on the full moon to say "whatup" and see how things are going with him, but I'm not sure how things will turn out after that. Apparently since it's a full moon, it's a time of integration and fruition or release. It sounds like it's leaning towards the release, but at the same time, it's leaning towards an effort at integration of the present situation.

Ack! I'm so confused, and as you can tell by this convoluted post, I'm trying to keep my emotions in check through shrewed and forced use of my logic. I don't know what to do anymore, but I don't think that prayer and meditation would hurt at all.

posted August 01, 2004 11:09 PM         

Randall III

posted September 27, 2004 02:59 AM         

As far as soul mates and mathematical probability goes.... the way I see it, the only way you are going to meet that person on one particular planet at a particular time is if it has been prearranged before birth. There is just no way that could happen by chance, the odds are astronomical.

The way I see it, Virgo and Cupid, this is the world of illusion.... there are so many dark things happening on this planet.... we are the lucky ones, most people aren't thinking about their twin selves, they are just trying to survive..... And, bad things can happen to good people, including in the romance department.

It is nice to know about Twin Selves, but for me, it is enough to exist. I have been burned by love before, and thought it was my Twin Self too, but I was wrong. So, I learned an important lesson.

I have felt that very strong tug toward someone many times, and each time I felt a different way about that person (not necessarily romantic) but it was a very strong feeling. That feeling means you have shared a past life with that person, and sometimes it means you were once lovers. Occasionally, it means that person is your Teacher, or it could be they just have very strong personal magnetism and lots of people gravitate toward them.

I guess I just don't feel any really compelling need to find my Twin Self any more and be in a romantic relationship. Through meditation, I have learned a lot about what my Twin is really like. I don't think she will ever want a long-term relationship, which is what I am looking for. I don't think I'm ready to meet her, either, I'd be broken up about it. So, I'd rather just make one person I resonate with happy, and do the best that I can while I am here, since this is a world of illusion, and things are not what they seem to be. I'd rather just do my best to survive, what with all the hideous evil and injustice in this world.

Nowadays, I'm more into friendship, I think. I've been on my own for a long time, now I feel it's time to reach out to others. That's what I feel I need to do right now, and "drama" ain't going to help me do that.....

Just my thoughts....

posted September 28, 2004 04:00 AM         

I enjoyed reading your post very much. So much of what you are saying is the way I've come around to being/thinking/believing. Do you feel like this is also a way for you to come around? From my personal observation it seems you may be describing an entire paradigm which others may be experiencing as well, albeit, at different levels/stages.

Example. Read some of those dating ads, and maybe you'll see it too - people are always describing the person they are looking for as a virtual clone of themselves! If not that, then they are usually looking for someone who has the attributes they lack. I'm not saying 100% of those ads, but many of them.

Maybe because deep down we think we will love that person more, and hurt them less, and understand them more if they are more like us. Like attracts like, and opposites attract as well, but in those relationships which last in an honest way (not just because they are legally bound), seem to be based on much more.

My parents were never friends, and it really bothered me to no end. They just put on a fake face together so everyone would think they were happy, that their marriage was doing well, and that they were "normal".

.gloria

posted September 28, 2004 08:54 PM         

I am sorry to hear about your parents not being friends. Of course, a relationship needs to be based on more, but it's hard to measure exactly what does make two people compatible, or help them get along. I don't know.....

I think that two partners have to be similar in some ways to get along. Of course, vain people are just fraidy cats. They are scared of people who are different than them.

Like you said, everyone is at a different level. Everyone is trying to work out their own lessons. If people walk away, that's a good thing, because it means they weren't right for you (Though I can't help feeling a little embarrassed )

I wasn't sure what you meant by "come around". Please let me know.

Again, thanks for the reply!

posted September 28, 2004 09:02 PM         

ALL OF US.

Therefore, the idea of perfection is subjective to each person. Perfection has no value.

posted September 28, 2004 09:19 PM         

I have tried to explain this concept to people before, but was harshly rebuked for my efforts.

You are very enlightened, Astro! Most people do not feel this way.

As far as relationships go, I think it's always a struggle. You may think you are doing the right thing if you get involved with someone you are incompatible with, but then it may turn out to be wrong. People change, too. If a person is totally different then they were and becomes like a total stranger, and you do not get along anymore, what then?

I guess I'm looking for stability in my life. I desperately feel the need to put down roots, if only I can find somewhere to anchor them. This feeling has not gone away for the past ten years, but so far I haven't found a person to settle down with.

Any thoughts? I really appreciate it.