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Mama Mia
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posted September 23, 2004 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
Hi good people, I have a question a serious question. You know how you have been dating someone for awhile and you know that it might be time to take the relationship to another level. The other person is showing that they are letting you in gradually but you are holding out. That wall is still up for you. The thing that bothers me the most is not being loved unconditonally. I mean we all have skeletons and we are all dealing with some type of issues, just not sure if I am ready to reveal all that. I wanted this (if anyone has read my posts)I wanted very much for this guy to get close to me he is an Aquarius you all know how they are, it was a lil hard to get him here, I have him now and I am chickening out. I mean I am a great girl any man would be happy to have I am just scard thats all. Maybe cause it is real this time. Anyone know what I am talking about????

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LibraSparkle
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posted September 23, 2004 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
hey Mama

(Funny, I usually say, "Hey Mama" to my girlfriends when they call me up, or vice versa )

Anyhow... I didn't read your other post about this situation. But I have a couple questions.

How long have you two been dating?

I also what to ask you what your idea of unconditional love is...

I have a few thoughts on unconditional love that I would like to share.

I don't believe loving someone unconditionally means staying with them demons and all. For example, if a woman is being abused by her husband (or vice versa for that matter... it happens ). The person can still love the abuser unconditionally and kick them to the curb at the same time. To love someone unconditionally doesn't necessarily mean staying together forever... it simply means loving them, demons and all. You don't have to be in a relationship with the person to love them.

I believe this scenario applies to any situation where unconditional love can be applied: Parent/Child, Lovers, friends.

Love shouldn't have conditions, but relationships should ALWAYS have conditions.

Another example from my life...

My mother is a raging alcoholic. She's also Bipolar and suffers from psychotic episodes. I love my mother unconditionally, but the relationship has conditions. She has crossed my boundaries too many times so I have had to close the relationship. Doesn't mean I don't love her still. My love has no conditions, ALL of my relationships (aside from my children) have conditions.

I have tried to explain this to my husband who went through a serious bout of depression. During that time, he was being a real jerk and I had to make him leave. He asked me, "What about loving me unconditionally?" I told him, "I do love you unconditionally, but I also love myself enough to set personal boundaries. You have crossed them one too many times. I'm sorry. I love you, but we're going to be separated for a time." (in hopes he would pull his head out of his arse ... which he did ). Now that we've gone through this, he understands what I meant when I said I loved him unconditionally, but he still had to go. He respects me more now (for having done that) than ever before.

I don't know if any of this applies to you. I hope it has been of some help.


Me

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Mama Mia
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posted September 23, 2004 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
Hey LibraSparkle, None of that aplies to me, I have never experience any of that. What meant by unconditonal love is people still love you now matter what your situation is be it bad credit, crazy family bad habits, ect ect. That is what I meant like if I really open up and let him see all of me will he still care for me as he does now.
We have been dating 4 months and it was hard at first he was very aloof and detatched and it just seemed he had no real interst for me at all. Things are different now and i think it is becasue we have been a great friendship. He is gradually opening up I just want to match him but realize that it has been a little hard thats all.

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LibraSparkle
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posted September 23, 2004 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
I see. Well, I'm glad none of that applies to you

The first year of the relationship is what I like to call the "honeymoon" period. Usually everyone's on their best behavior for fear their loved one might not stay if they knew how crazy they are. We're all nutz, IMO

After the first year, THEN you really know each other... warts and all.

I'd say, give it some time. Your relationship is still very new and you're still feeling each other out. I advise that you never second guess each other. Rather, always go to each other with your questions about how or what the other person is thinking. Open dialog is the best thing for a healthy relationship.

I believe people are brought together in relationships for very important reasons. One can always learn something very valuable from the other.

What is it that the two of you are teaching each other?

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Mama Mia
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posted September 23, 2004 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
You are so right!!!! And the thing about what are we teaching each other is a great question. I know exactly what he is teaching me all the way around. He has definetly taught me patinece,how to communicate more effectively. I have learned how to be friends with the guy that I am romantically invloved with. Also he has taught me how to put on a thick skin sometimes. (sensetive Pisces I am)I have taught him to losen up and have fun some, I have shown him how to get intouch more with his spiritual side and some more other good stuff(LOL).... Anticipating this first year...Thanks for the advice...

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BlueTopaz124
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posted September 23, 2004 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message
Sometimes the dream of what we want in a relationship and realizing that we are now holding that dream right in our lap is very frightening and sometimes too much reality.

Actually getting what we've always wanted is sometimes scary.

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Mama Mia
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posted September 23, 2004 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message
Yes it is very scary. Im not going to run though. I guess you better be ready for what you ask for...

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BlueTopaz124
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posted September 23, 2004 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message
I think, too, if a person tends to be unpredictable - that can feed into the insecurity factor because you never know what to really expect from that person.

All you can really do anyways is be very sure of yourself and what you want.

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pixelpixie
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posted September 23, 2004 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Librasparkle~
In terms of that 'applying'...
Honey, that was such Universal wisdom, that it applies to everyone. I was like
"Rock On, Darlin'!" when I read what you'd written about unconditional love but loving yourself enough to not accept poor treatment ( beyond certain barriers).
I should hope that piece of advice would apply to anyone willing to open up and receive those words. I did.
You really ARE my soulmate.

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astro junkie
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posted September 23, 2004 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
OK -

Confession/Vote here.

I'm scared to death of getting what I always wanted. Even in romance. I'd have to walk around with a mirror 24 hours a day to figure out what I keep doing wrong.

As for the boundaries subject, real love is for realness. (I could say I'm Sag that way - and moreso lately ...)

.gloria

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... it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness

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LibraSparkle
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posted September 24, 2004 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LibraSparkle     Edit/Delete Message
Aw Pix

Gloria, How come you're scared to get what you want? Maybe that's what's keeping you from getting it? ... like it's somehow self defeating.

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pixelpixie
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posted September 24, 2004 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
For real, Sparkle-chica! You rock!

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