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Topic: karmic implications - who is the teacher?
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puppyblew
Knowflake Posts: 34
From: usa
Registered: Jul 2004
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posted October 12, 2004 12:50 AM
 
ok, so i've been thinking about this for some time. as far as karmic conections go in a chart (nep., sat., pluto) i'm under the impression that the person whose nep, sat, pluto touches the other persons planet, is the one "teaching" the lesson. so, if i have venus in pisces and the other person has pluto in virgo, i did something to them a long time ago, and they are here to "teach" me? i was just wondering because my crumby virgo moon is trying to discect the situation i spoke of in the "i finally did it" post. i've just never felt such a spiritual connection with someone even if it was one sided. even though he did treat me badly, i learned and am learning so much from what took place between us. a long time ago, he even hooked me up with my former boyfriend. i definately felt the karma with him, and when looking at how many "karmic" ties we have i thought it might explain just why he seemed to want to ignore what was going on, ect. of our "karmic" ties most of them involve him being the teacher. i was wondering what all of your opinions are on who is the "teacher" (no pun intended - astro, you'll get this, seeing as i know you read my post - thank you!) and who is the student. here are our planets if anyone is interested. see if you see what i see, and what is your opinion on what we had to teacher each other. me- him rising - cappy cancer
sun - taurus cappy
moon - virgo taurus
merc. - gemini aqua.
venus - pis. aqua.
mars - libra libra
jupiter - scorp. cancer
saturn - libra pis.
uranus - sag virgo
nep. - sag scorp.
pluto - lib virgo
that's me on the left and his on the right just incase it showed up funky. 
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lllog
Moderator Posts: 859
From: Springfield MO
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted October 12, 2004 08:12 AM
Don't assume that the teacher is conscious of his or her role. Often they are in your life as a stimulus for your growth. They might be there in order for you to go through certain experiences, some pleasurable, but some painful. The important thing being your response to the stimulus. Do you chose to grow or not. I think that many people get tied up in the idea of the techer being a guru or wise person, and sometimes it is, but look back over your life and try to identify the individuals that lead to your major growth spurts. just my thoughts Lanny IP: Logged |
astro junkie
Moderator Posts: 4741
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Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 12, 2004 06:46 PM
I'm glad Lanny broke the ice cuz my carved-in-stone kneejerk reactions to relationships such as these make me go bonkers, like I did with Natasha, when you just don't want someone to hurt so much. It's interesting that the more you learn about love one-on-one, it enhances your love to the world-at-large.At the same time, a little part of me has to assume that the biatch can be just as kick-azz as me, and is just looking for feedback. If it comes to issues of domestic violence, or POSSIBLE domestic violence, such as when someone says they're in a relationship with lots of yelling and constant fighting where escalation is usually inevitable ... *tangent* ... anyways, I won't hesitate to speak up regarding that because while anyone can tell their loved one to get out/get away, rarely is there an emphasis on DO NOT TELL ANYONE YOU ARE PLANNING TO LEAVE - that's when the odds of the abused being murdered go up.
So in a seemingly innocent relationship where there is no equal playing field, maybe my eyebrow goes up yet again. Hey, I actually got to see The Police in concert OK - when they were still the greatest band in the universe. So I grew up loving the likes of song's like "Roxanne" and :::  "... Young teacher the subject
Of schoolgirl fantasy
She wants him so badly
Knows what she wants to be
Inside him there's longing
This girl's an open page
Book marking - she's so close now
This girl is half his age Don't stand, don't stand so
Don't stand so close to me
Don't stand, don't stand so
Don't stand so close to me Her friends are so jealous
You know how bad girls get
Sometimes it's not so easy
To be the teacher's pet
Temptation, frustration
So bad it makes him cry
Wet bus stop, she's waiting
His car is warm and dry Loose talk in the classroom
So hurt they try and try
Strong words in the staff room
The accusations fly
It's no use, he sees her
He starts to shake and cough
Just like the old man in
That book by Nabakov Don't stand, don't stand so
Don't stand so close to me ..." It's like, I grew up being all those girls, a little bit of each, but I never took myself so seriously to actually play the part to the hilt, know what I mean?  ------------------
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puppyblew
Knowflake Posts: 34
From: usa
Registered: Jul 2004
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posted October 12, 2004 11:25 PM
astro, i knew you'd be worried about me. i guess i didn't really explain myself enough in the first post. let me expand.i understand completely what lllog is saying. that is exactly the way i feel as well. i do not see this person as a "guru" or even a "wise" person. he was just someone who made me feel a certain reaction and sent me through a variety of personal soul searching and "growth". i have no doubt that he never undertode that i went through all of this.
i understand what lllog is saying when she says that the important thing is my response to the stimulus and they are not the real teacher. i am. the growth was one sided for the most part, and i was merely disecting what i am going through and why - astrologically. i tend to always do that - for good or bad. i know i do not need to do this in order to realize what he taught me (or should i say more appropriately - i taught myself). astro - take heart - i have not talked to this person again. i never will. it is over. it never escelated to violence, but caused major introspection of myself on my own part. i never knew how he felt and that isn't important. i do know how i felt. i was just wondering if astrologically, the aspects i have to him are in fact a mirror of what i have learned and am learning from the relationship with him. he doesn't matter. i'm just trying to really teach myself a lesson here. i feel i brought him into my life, for good or bad, to learn certain things. and for me to further learn what "karma" i have from these people i bring into my life will help to clarify it in my mind at least. so, yes, astro - this relationship hurt, but it would hurt more if i didn't bother to learn anything from it. i already know he is not worth my time  i am however, and anything you guys see would be most appreciated!  IP: Logged |
puppyblew
Knowflake Posts: 34
From: usa
Registered: Jul 2004
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posted October 12, 2004 11:32 PM
geez! i must have tried about 3 times to make two DISTINCT colums of our planets. a "me" and a "him". it's not working! it just crams them side by side everytime. sorry it looks so hideous guys. if you feel it's too ugly to analyze, i understand. IP: Logged |
lllog
Moderator Posts: 859
From: Springfield MO
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted October 13, 2004 09:12 AM
"i understand what lllog is saying when she says"That should be "he says" Lanny IP: Logged |
puppyblew
Knowflake Posts: 34
From: usa
Registered: Jul 2004
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posted October 13, 2004 10:42 PM
i'm so sorry lllog.  please forgive me! i hesitated when i said "she" said, but i thought "she" might be the better guess, considering that very long post on how many more women than men there are on this site. i just got lucky enough to have one of them reply to my post! thank you for your wise words. they ring true to what i said. IP: Logged |
sthenri
Moderator Posts: 2174
From: Montreal, Canada
Registered: May 2003
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posted October 14, 2004 07:21 PM
puppy I have felt this way with a man who also had mercury in aqua, and mars in libra. My sun is taurus, mercury gemini.He was a teacher, but had to deal with many emotions he kept hiding from. I think teachers are people who are struggling with the same issue only it's buried deeper. Sometimes helping others, is unsettling. Natasha
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