posted November 02, 2004 07:45 PM         

My ex-husband is a Pisces with Capricorn rising and an Aries moon. If you met him, he would tell you I was a lazy, selfish b*tch who ran off to Miami to live a lavish, fantasy lifestyle with my richie rich friends and blew all HIS hard earned money, and he was the poor suffering, heart-broken, dutiful husband who offered to go to counselling, but I refused because I really just didn't want to be married anymore (not true, I agreed to come back and then he pulled out of counselling and started being an a*shole again and I hadn;t come back yet so I decided not to... but then he said he would go to counselling again and i said well, i just don't believe you, you'll promise anything to get your way and then change it later... this tactic was nothing new).

In reality he quashed all my personal goals, nothing I wanted ever mattered, basically his attitude was... This is my life, you are along for the ride, have a coke and a smile and shut the f*ck up. He always fought to win and we would have this horrible fights all the time, he would reduce me to hysterical tears at least once a week. He would berate me for hours, punishing me for a mistake I made or something I did wrong (eg, overdrawing my checking account). He was selish and inconsiderate in every way imaginable, I haven't even begun to scratch the surface.

But you see, if you met him, he would be the poor victim Pisces guy with the evil b*tch , "destructive" ex-wife. He is so charming and sweet, he's a master manipulator. He would have anyone that didn't know me thinking I was the evil one. It's telling that his entire family blame him for our break up without question. They don't even want to listen to a word he says. Cause they know him!

I'm not saying this is the case with the people you know, but if anyone ever blames one person entirely for the breakdown of a marriage/serious relationship and paints it all black and white, it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Cause I know what my husband would say about me and it's so far from the truth it's ridiculous (like... I didn't even party ONE TIME for the first month I was in Miami... no joke... I was too traumatised... didn't stop him accusing me of it during every argument.. and still accusing me! To his next girlfriend I will be the evil wife who ran away to Miami with his money to go nightclubbing and live the jetset life with my hoity toity party girl friends... who i don't even talk to anymore... Miami was not a picnic for me, believe that).Oh yeah, and my ex-husband was probably the most gung-ho Marine you could ever meet. Very macho.

My new guy is also a Pisces and although he has nothing but his Sun in Pisces in common with my ex, he is a pretty "macho macho" man too. He's a triathlete and a swat officer. He watches the Monday night football religiously with his father who is also a cop. He's a real man's man in every way. He keeps his sensitive side just for me, lol. He is very creative and sensitive. He doesn;t advertise it though, lol.

I guess the real point is that my experience with Pisces men is that they are in fact, very macho and at least with my ex-husband, he will tell everyone how bad I am, and there are things he can selectively tell you to paint himself as the victim, but it's not at all true.

My high school sweetheart was also a Pisces ans although he was sensitive, sweet, shy and artistic with me, he was very much a guys guy. He played football and acted tough all the time. His younger brother is also a Pisces and played football, also very macho. In Australia we'd call 'em "bloke's blokes". But he hasn't had much luck with women in adulthood. I don't know the stories, but he is 26 and has two children out of wedlock with two different women. I know one was a total "crazy"... When I was 19 or so she was calling my house threatening to beat me up over him and I hadn't even talked to him in like, 2 years! That's his first baby mamma, lol. Who knows what the stories there are.

(edited because I realized I got a bit too heated and rambley... sorry folks... and i realize it sounds like I am painting my ex as the total villian, but really I'm not. but this struck a chord since when he gets heated he throws all this stuff on me like "you left me!! you ran off to miami to party with your **** friends! you took my money! I was good to you! I never cheated on you or hit you!"... I know his next girlfriend/wife will be hearing the same spiel and will think I am the wicked witch of the west! No doubt!!!)

posted November 03, 2004 08:33 AM         

Not exactly easy on the ego, but I understand.

Pisces men are uncomfortable sometimes with their masculinity, othertimes they are the saviors and wonderful men. But the happiest ones I know are already in a relationship, long term, love their careers or are gay in a relationship. If they are not in a relationship they are not happy.

posted November 03, 2004 01:51 PM         

(Maybe you should encourage him to hurry up and become a monk) ...

posted November 03, 2004 07:51 PM         

I get along with pisces men very well - but only as friends really. The two I know well I love to pieces because they are both lovely, but they both have aspects about them I dont admire - one doesnt make decisions very well, in fact I always end up leading - where we go, what we do etc - and thats not sexy to me, its downright annoying! Thats why we can only ever stay friends, I think.

The other is married (& is just a friend!) but the sort of arguments he has with his wife shows that he's the kind of guy I really couldnt be with.

For instance, he's lazy; second, they've been discussing about having a baby recently and his insistence about staying at home while she works bothers me. She wants to stay home too, but he's quite dogged about it. And the way he talks, its like he thinks its going to be a walk in the park -do nothing but play with the baby all day, while she's out earning. I dunno how other women feel about this, personally I think he's being weak and should WANT to work to support his family (after all, men have got to do SOMETHING useful havent they?!!). If she wants to work, fine - obviously a couple should decide this together, but i think he just wants an easy life.

Other than that I find pisces men are chilled, good fun and so easy to talk to! Probably because I have a pisces moon I gety on well with them. Oh, and they are always GREAT music fans!! A big plus in my book

posted November 03, 2004 08:21 PM         

About the only constant you'll find with Pisceans is whatever they do, they immerse themselves, their entire identity into it. They dont' handle conflict of interests well. This why if they're torn between two life pathes, like a commited relationship vs. becoming a monk, it's trauma for them, because on a profound level they long to surrender themselves fully and unconditionally to *something*. You can see that in the best and worst of Pisceans: Albert Einstein gave himself to his studies and made personal sacrifices that other scientist could not make themselves, and as the result he changed our understanding of the universe and of physics for the better, while Richard Ramirez (aka the Nightstalker), who had started out as a typically loving, sensitive and trusting Piscean child, ended up so committed to death and destruction he genuinely longed to be Satan's instrument.

As for being attracted to destructive people, I have a Pisces moon so I knwo all about that. One of the paradoxes of Pisces is that it is a sign that needs to be around positivity and good vibes to thrive, yet it is a magnet for negativity, because Pisceans seem to be able to empathetically/psychicly take upon the pain of others, and thus lighten the other person's burden. A good thing in some cases, but easily taken advantage off. Pisceans are also so intutive and empathetic, they usually want for clear judgement. They can often see the best in anyone - a wonderful gift that can be a blessing and a curse. They will overlook someone's faults more readily, forgive them without reason, and so basically set themselves up to be used and abused should an unethical individual chance upon them.

posted November 04, 2004 01:33 PM         

For me Pices men needs to be needed. Little like the aquas need too. A perfect or nearly perfect woman is just too good for him.

Freaky, crazy and a bitchy woman is what all my pices male friends and x-es like. Eaven though it makes their heart cry and turn their life upsidedown...

I`ll say they need to feel needed...the understanding, all wise god father of their own woman...

hope it makes sence...

posted November 06, 2004 07:33 AM         

talked to an x-pices male from the past yesterday...he still love me as he did and he still push me away with his sharp thoungue...and I still listen to his broken heart between the lines...

anyway the once that are not infuenced by to much egosentric behaviour I love them too much! and it is like hanging out with the universe and a scared child at the same time...

lovelinguah, Li

posted November 07, 2004 11:19 PM         

The Kurt Cobain note posted above... wow, the crazy wife... so true!

I wonder if Albert Einstein was good lookin' when he was young?