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Topic: Guilt
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paras
Knowflake Posts: 1295
From: the Heart of It All
Registered: May 2004
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posted November 06, 2004 07:50 AM
 
What guilt you ask? All negative emotions in your life arise from your unconscious guilt/shame. This must be brought into your conscious awareness so that you can release it.
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This whole scene of guilt and retribution is happening in your own mind. If you project it, you will bring others into it and you will need to work it out together. This just ups the ante. Working something out with another when you are not aware of your own complicity in the the event is unlikely.
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Judge and jury live within your own thoughts. You established your guilt and now you must dissolve it. Until you undo your guilt, you cannot find your innocence. That is what the forgiveness process is all about. It has nothing to do with forgiving others. It has everything to do with forgiving yourself for establishing your own guilt.-- Paul Ferrini, Love Without Conditions  IP: Logged |
astro junkie
Moderator Posts: 5389
From:
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted November 06, 2004 10:03 AM
Hypnotherapy is perfect for dealing with anxiety and guilt.  "All of the days
have been stolen
the people around me
have all spoken
I am the one
slipping and sliding
when there's a noose
looking for you
YEAH...... Now that the smoke has all flown away
the people around me have all floated
down stream
and I am there choking on bubbles...
bubbles...
bubbles... bubbles
when there's a noose
looking for you YEAH.......
Now that my skin
is all frozen
the ants will eat me
til I'm a carcass...
bones still
laying in forms as I was chosen and all at once
the noose is you
it's hard to move
when the noose is you
when all along
the noose is you
there's no more noose
looking for you" (Tripping Daisy) IP: Logged |
Gemini Nymph
Knowflake Posts: 468
From:
Registered: Jul 2004
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posted November 06, 2004 01:32 PM
Whoa...a moral theologian could do a number on that. Highly subjective, suggesting guilt has no objective validity. Which in turn means that if a rapist forgives himself of violating another person, then society's judgement that he is "guilty" would have no bearing on his own perception of his crime. I have a problem with that.Guilt and shame are very different. Guilt is reasonable - it does have validity in an objective sense, and not purely how you think you should feel. It is not rooted in feelings, but reason, and through guilt we learn hw we should act justly and with dignity toward ourselves and others. If you injury another person, you should feel guilt - it is your consciousnes expressing acknowledgement that you have done something you are not, as a rational, dignified individual, entitled to do. Ideally, any guilt can be morally and rationally justified. Our entire moral sense as individuals and a society, not to mention our justice systems, rests on the presumption. Guilt that is not morally or rationally justifiable is another story. If society weighs guilt about an individual that isn't justified, that is an injustice and violation of the dignity of the individual. If the individuals weighs guilt upon themsleves that is not justified, that is shame. Shame is very subjective and irrational, usually rooted in misconceptions and distortions that a person has learned and hold about morality, human nature and themselves. Both guilt and shame need to be confronted, but for different reasons. Guilt should be confronted because that is the path that leads justice and redemption. If we cnnot acknowledge our wrongs, we cannot seek the path to correct them, learn from them or compensate for them. Shame should be confronted because it is a distortion of the truth, a falsehood that impedes and afflicts the inherent goodness and dignity of the individual. Guilt can teach us and enlighten us about what is truely just and how to live according to our dignity, while shame only burdens and imprisons us, keeping us from learning and growing in a healthy way. IP: Logged |
26taurus
Knowflake Posts: 2334
From: the stars
Registered: Jun 2004
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posted November 06, 2004 03:15 PM
We are almost always guilty of the hate we encounter.
* VauvenarguesHow unhappy is he who cannot forgive himself.
* Publilius Syrus It is only too easy to compel a sensitive human being to feel guilty about anything.
* Morton Irving Seiden "Their guilt made me eloquent because I was not its victim."
~ Albert Camus "What is our innocence, What is our guilt? All are naked, none is safe."
~ Marianne Moore Guilt alone, like brain-sick frenzy in its feverish mood, fills the light air with visionary terrors, and shapeless forms of fear. -- Junius IP: Logged |
sthenri
Moderator Posts: 2325
From: Montreal, Canada
Registered: May 2003
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posted November 06, 2004 11:39 PM
Hate makes me guilty, it's a non productive emotion. Hating others makes you feel angry at yourself, which wastes so much time.Not commiting to one thing, makes me feel guilty too, don't feel guilt! Natasha
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astro junkie
Moderator Posts: 5389
From:
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted November 07, 2004 12:28 AM
"I count him lost, who is lost to shame." -Plautus IP: Logged |
ghanima81
Knowflake Posts: 414
From: Portsmouth,UK
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted November 07, 2004 05:52 AM
I see what you're saying, Gemini Nymph. But I think this is more of an inner turmoil for that which you cannot change than that kind of guilt. A guilt for the possible reactions of those around you, were you to say, follow your own heart, even if others may then be upset by it. These people cannot be your judges, you cannot please everyone, and sometimes we feel guilt for our own feelings, when really, the guilt has to be defeated in our own selves if we are to move on.That's how i took it, anyways. Ghani IP: Logged |
paras
Knowflake Posts: 1295
From: the Heart of It All
Registered: May 2004
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posted November 07, 2004 11:27 PM
"Whoa...a moral theologian could do a number on that."Well, I'm no moral theologian, but I've a fairly high degree of verbal acuity, and I can 'do a number' on damn near anything... if I take it out of context.  IP: Logged | |
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